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05-23-2008, 01:07 PM
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N-S is most definitely the way to go. Pittsburgh is a fluke because of the ridiculous talent level they have on their team....how many teams could afford to have a kid like Jordan Staal on their third line?l They will come back down to earth a little after this years playoffs. Detroit is a different story, but they too have a lot of really really talented players playing for a lot less than they should be getting. Once Franzen and Zetterberg get their new contracts, things will change a bit.

I would much prefer to see a crash the crease, up and down game while still playing defensive hockey. it can work in the playoffs as well, as seen by the Canes and the Bolts.

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05-23-2008, 02:15 PM
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Detroit has been one of the best teams in hockey now for over a decade.... they always used the E-W. It's worked for them, and watching them play is some of the most exciting, and fun hockey there is.
Always? I do not seem to recall the Grind line playing that way. Nor even Yzerman and Shanny. What Detroit is, is the excellent blend between the two styles. Even now, Zetterberg and Datsyuk play one way, while most of the time, the other team plays the other. Holmstrom drives straight to the net and parks himself there. That is not East-West, but North-South.

Detroit knows how to head straight to the net as much as anyone. The kind of East-West hockey that has existed here since the Hlavac-Nedved-Devorak line has drive fans and coaches crazy.

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05-23-2008, 02:20 PM
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also, there is a difference between east-west hockey that produces goals, and east-west hockey that plays pattycake.

3 years ago we were 14th in the NHL in goals for, detroit was 2nd.

2 years ago we were 18th, they were 10th

This past season we were 25th, they were 3rd.

What we did, east west, north south, whatever you wanna call it, didnt work. What they do, east west, north south, upside down, backwards, whatever, works.

I prefer north south because it doesnt rely strictly on skill, because our team is not as skilled as most of the other upper echelon teams. If we had the skill to play Detroits east-west, then so be it.

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05-23-2008, 02:31 PM
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I wish people understood what is needed for a north south style game. vs an east west sort of game.

East West requires you to have a rushing defenseman who can get into the neutral zone before the first pass, giving the forwards a chance to quickly give it to a forward with speed, that forward works it down to the low boards and plays pass the potato with his line mates. Once in the o zone the d men do nothing but pinch to drive it deeper to keep it in the zone.

North South requires a good passing dman to move it to a forward in the neutral zone who skates it in hard or dumps and chases. Dmen need to have a good shot because that is where your offense is generated from, not from your forwards. The forwards work the boards, drawing opposing players away from the goal, then throw it back to a dman who blasts a shot and everyone goes to the net.

We don't have either. no good passing dmen, no good rushing dmen, and no one who can take a good shot at goal from the point. Gotta put pucks on net for NS to work, Gotta keep the puck in the zone if you want to play a EW. Simple.

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05-23-2008, 10:49 PM
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That's the thing, we're not equipped to play east-west or north-south, we're like the trade winds or something... and I'll say again, a north-south team from the East hasn't won since the Devils. That was before the lockout.

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05-23-2008, 11:05 PM
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This drives me nuts, really. Everyone would be fine with a team of 35-year-old two-way guys with leadership... that and a few kids who never learned to develop their skill games. That's our north-south philosophy, and it's sickening.

We could be like the retirement country club of hockey with a goalie good enough to distract attention when the guys miss putts from 2 feet... and the young kids scramble all over to bring them Manhatttans and Cuban cigars... but we have HEART... we're NEW YORKERS... ugh, I need a good night's sleep...

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05-24-2008, 12:51 AM
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tell that to Pitt and Detroit.
Detroit is NOT a strictly East-West team. They are the perfect balance of both North-South and East-West.

Their skill players and character players have such great chemistry together that they are like a well-oiled machine, intergradable at every joint.

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Detroit has been one of the best teams in hockey now for over a decade.... they always used the E-W. It's worked for them, and watching them play is some of the most exciting, and fun hockey there is.
Scotty Bowman WAS NEVER an East-West coach.

His philosophy was to throw everything at the net.

If you're talking about their puck possession game once established in the zone, that's one thing, but to say that Bowman had an East-West philosophy is well off course.

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I don't think we are far off, like if you turn around that argument -- how many new North-South players do we need to compete with Anaheim or Philly as a N-S team? In terms of N-S players Philly is miles ahead of us. Not to mention a team like Anaheim.
That Philadelphia team wasn't even supposed to beat Washington, an East-West team, and look at what happened. Then, they ended up facing what most people consider to be another East-West team in Montreal, and look at what happened there.

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In the end, our system is a E-W system, thats not even up for debate really. We play a controlled transition game, we want to open up ice in the neutral zone by having a fast LW that skips the zone early, while having centers who can transport the puck.
I wouldn't even call it anything, in fact, it's a poor excuse of a system in general.

The defenders can't make an outlet pass to save their lives, and once the forward hits the neutral zone, they make one too many passes or plays at the line. If anything, all 3 forwards should be moving with speed, in unison at the line looking for a pass to stretch the defense out and create a breakdown at the line to open the offensive zone up, and then take it to the net. That's how you score goals. Not 50 perimeter passes in the offensive zone, looking for the perfect play and not a single shot.

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Always? I do not seem to recall the Grind line playing that way. Nor even Yzerman and Shanny. What Detroit is, is the excellent blend between the two styles. Even now, Zetterberg and Datsyuk play one way, while most of the time, the other team plays the other. Holmstrom drives straight to the net and parks himself there. That is not East-West, but North-South.

Detroit knows how to head straight to the net as much as anyone. The kind of East-West hockey that has existed here since the Hlavac-Nedved-Devorak line has drive fans and coaches crazy.
Bingo.

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This drives me nuts, really. Everyone would be fine with a team of 35-year-old two-way guys with leadership... that and a few kids who never learned to develop their skill games. That's our north-south philosophy, and it's sickening.

We could be like the retirement country club of hockey with a goalie good enough to distract attention when the guys miss putts from 2 feet... and the young kids scramble all over to bring them Manhatttans and Cuban cigars... but we have HEART... we're NEW YORKERS... ugh, I need a good night's sleep...
Everyone is just tired of them overpassing the puck, passing on shots, and keeping the puck to the outside in hopes of making the perfect play and the highlight reel goal. That kind of hockey does not win unless you have that kind of talent to do it, and there's only one team that has that kind of talent up and down their lineup. That's Pittsburgh.

The problem is there needs to be a balance of the two styles, and the Rangers aren't even close to beginning to find out what that actually means, nevermind actually finding that balance. I blame that on the coach. Excellent defensive system, if you ask me, but he has no clue how to operate an offense. He got away with having a dominant Jagr for 2 years and could just tell him to go out there and work his magic. Now, Jagr is showing signs of not being that player anymore.

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05-24-2008, 01:32 PM
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The key in this league, no matter what style you play, is driving to the net. You see it in Pittsburg's game and definitely in Detroit's, you see it in Philly's and Boston's and Montreal's. It's an essential ingredient because it opens up space, causes havok and panic, and there's ton's of chances to convert down low.

It doesn't matter if Jagr pulls up at the blueline, if Dubinsky and Avery/Straka don't drive to the net pull the D deep into the zone, the other team can smother Jagr and force a bad pass. If Gomez carries the puck deep but Shanny and Dawes stay in the perimeter, their shots will be of the low percentage variety or blocked. We need to capitalize on deflections, screen and rebounds that either system generates. Right now I see all 5 players set up in the zone and stop skating. No movement means predictability and easy coverage, it translates into shrinking and stagnent passing lanes (easy for turnovers).

In simple terms, NA hockey forces the issue. It forces the puck to the net... but what's the point of forcing the puck to the net if no one's there. Conversely, EW hockey tries to generate high percentage chances with seam passes and puck movement, but again there's no point to it if you keep the puck along the side boards or pass through the slot with no one crashing.

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05-24-2008, 02:57 PM
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Scotty Bowman WAS NEVER an East-West coach.

His philosophy was to throw everything at the net.

If you're talking about their puck possession game once established in the zone, that's one thing, but to say that Bowman had an East-West philosophy is well off course.
You are just not correct here coldshot, don't take it personell but to say that Detroit is/was a N-S team is just nuts. Heck they had Igor Larionov as their 4th line center for a while...

If you think Detroit is a N-S team we are actually on the same page, Id love it if we played like Detroit.

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05-24-2008, 09:06 PM
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You are just not correct here coldshot, don't take it personell but to say that Detroit is/was a N-S team is just nuts. Heck they had Igor Larionov as their 4th line center for a while...

If you think Detroit is a N-S team we are actually on the same page, Id love it if we played like Detroit.
Two things...

1. Just because they were skilled enough to have Igor Larionov on their 4th line at one point doesn't mean that they were an East-West team at that time.

2. You said they're not a North-South team, and then you tell me that if I think they're a North-South team that we're on the same page. Well, which one is it?

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05-25-2008, 11:47 PM
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Detroit plays its own style, kind of like Ottawa last season or the Avs 10 years ago.

It's very hard to call them a north-south team though. They happen to be more of an an east-west team with excellent two-way, team D and physicality. That's why some call it a blend, but it's really not.

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05-26-2008, 09:50 AM
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That's the thing, we're not equipped to play east-west or north-south, we're like the trade winds or something... and I'll say again, a north-south team from the East hasn't won since the Devils. That was before the lockout.
Carolina, Tampa and Ottawa were all North/South teams. even Pittsburgh is for the most part, other than their PP.

North-South doesn't mean defense first. It can and should be an attacking style of play .. designed to get to the net, and pressure opposing defenseman.

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