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05-21-2008, 10:06 PM
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I think I'd rather have Steve McKenna back on the team at this point then Ryan Hollweg, how sad is that?

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While he hits hard many are cheap shots from behind into the boards.
That is actually not true. Most of Hollweg's hits are not from behind and are legal. Some of the more border line calls are done due to reputation rather than actual deed.
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He may of cost us the playoffs in game 3 with his patented boarding move.
You know, I keep reading this over and over again. Yes, that particular penalty was ill-timed and stupid. However, I seem to recall Callahan taking a pretty stupid 4 minute penalty earlier that game that also resulted in a power play goal. However, that seems to get lost in the shuffle in the entire "Hollweg is the reason the Rangers lost" argument. How is it that Callahan does not get chastised and Hollweg bears all the blame?

Hollweg is what he is. I question whether or nor replacing him with Byers on the 4th line will be an actual improvement. First of all, NO ONE is scoring points while Betts is the center and Orr is the other wing (which he WILL be). I like Byers and think that he has a chance to be a decent 3rd line wing in the future, but it is debateable if he can have an impact on the 4th line next year. I would rather he, like Korpikoski, continued to develop his offensive game for another year.

The reality is that given the ice time and the probable lack of production that will come from playing with Betts and Orr, Hollweg may just be the perfect choice for the 4th line. He brings plenty of energy and hits more often than any other player, given his lack of ice time. To me, that is what I want from my 4th liners. I would not want his 4-5 minutes to be handed to Byers or Korpikoski, as it may actually deter their growth.

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I've not seen much of Byers this season but I never got the feeling he would be much more than an emergency call up. Hope I'm wrong. Korpedo and Moore are ahead of Byers for a slot on next season's team.
Firstly, disagree than Korpedo and Moore are necessarily ahead of Byers, they have all spent two season on the Wolfpack roster and none of the three have proved themselves to be far ahead of the other two. Second, they all fill different positional roles. Korpedo is a talented, possible top six, speedy winger with some size and defensive acumen. Moore is a defensive specialist, penalty-killer, with some relatively soft hands, who in his prime will probably learn to score from the third line. Byers is a mucker, who plays a tough game in front of the net and in the corners. He also has more scoring prowess a typical fourth line mucker and I could see him turn himself into a Tomas Holmstrom type, big body in front of the net, who when surrounded by lots of talent can tip a ton of pucks into the net.

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That is actually not true. Most of Hollweg's hits are not from behind and are legal. Some of the more border line calls are done due to reputation rather than actual deed.

You know, I keep reading this over and over again. Yes, that particular penalty was ill-timed and stupid. However, I seem to recall Callahan taking a pretty stupid 4 minute penalty earlier that game that also resulted in a power play goal. However, that seems to get lost in the shuffle in the entire "Hollweg is the reason the Rangers lost" argument. How is it that Callahan does not get chastised and Hollweg bears all the blame?

Hollweg is what he is. I question whether or nor replacing him with Byers on the 4th line will be an actual improvement. First of all, NO ONE is scoring points while Betts is the center and Orr is the other wing (which he WILL be). I like Byers and think that he has a chance to be a decent 3rd line wing in the future, but it is debateable if he can have an impact on the 4th line next year. I would rather he, like Korpikoski, continued to develop his offensive game for another year.

The reality is that given the ice time and the probable lack of production that will come from playing with Betts and Orr, Hollweg may just be the perfect choice for the 4th line. He brings plenty of energy and hits more often than any other player, given his lack of ice time. To me, that is what I want from my 4th liners. I would not want his 4-5 minutes to be handed to Byers or Korpikoski, as it may actually deter their growth.
Objectivity and the use of logic in the post? That's preposterous! Hollweg is the sole reason of Rangers demise. To say otherwise is blasphemy and heresy! Burn, TB, you evil witch!

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At the beginning of last season Dubinsky was getting screwed on ice time. Very early on some people were having him going back to Hartford because his sitting on the bench was going to ruin him. Guys like Byers, Korpikoski, Moore if they are going to make it are going to have to prove themselves on the bottom lines. Their minutes may be limited at times. The Rangers have no choice about whether or not rookies are going to make the team--the cap is going to force them to fill out their roster with some--at least 2 and possibly as high as 4. You go with the guys who earn the jobs. Those 3 forwards seem the closest to me. A couple other things to consider--all 3 have made progress the last two years. All 3 should bring a measure of youth and enthusiasm to make up for other deficiencies--all 3 bring size to the wings which is something we need badly. 2 years in the AHL should give a player a pretty good idea about what it means to be a pro.

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Another thing to consider... all three will be third year pros this season. If they don't get a reasonable shot at the big club, how many will be back the following year? Baranka put in his three years, didn't think he got or would get a real shot, so he left for Russia. How many years will Korpikoski want to slog away in the AHL when he could make twice the money playing at home?

IMHO, it's sink or swim time for these three. They've done everything the organization has asked of them and shown significant improvement over their two years in Hartford. If they each don't get more than a handful of games with the big club next season, I won't blame them for believing the opportunity will never come and looking elsewhere.

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IMHO, it's sink or swim time for these three. They've done everything the organization has asked of them and shown significant improvement over their two years in Hartford.
I do not think that Korpikoski has done everything. For a 16th overall pick, I expect more offensive production. And the difference between him spending anothe year in Hartford refining that part of his game as opposed to playing with the Rangers may be the difference in being a 2nd line player at the NHL level and a playe like Sjostrom, a tweener between the 3rd and 4th lines. Ditto in terms of Byers, who can not only refine the game more but also use the year to get bigger. That could be the difference between being a 4th line player and a 3rd line player. Same goes for Moore. The organization is flushed with bottom-6 forwards. The Future Plumbers of the NHL is full. Let's see if we can develop some top-6 forwards.

Don't get me wrong. If these players come to camp and show more than the incumbents, then by all means let them make the team. However, in the case of 4th liners, let those slots be filled by those who can play for 5 minutes and create instant energy on the ice. Niether or those 3 players is going to score more meaningfull points while Betts and Orr play on the same line.

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Another thing to consider... all three will be third year pros this season. If they don't get a reasonable shot at the big club, how many will be back the following year? Baranka put in his three years, didn't think he got or would get a real shot, so he left for Russia. How many years will Korpikoski want to slog away in the AHL when he could make twice the money playing at home?

IMHO, it's sink or swim time for these three. They've done everything the organization has asked of them and shown significant improvement over their two years in Hartford. If they each don't get more than a handful of games with the big club next season, I won't blame them for believing the opportunity will never come and looking elsewhere.
i really want to see korpikoski and byers up on the team next year....they both add what the rangers need....a speedy winger for the third line and a player who can create offense on the 4th line who is young and can hit and fight.....both should be up

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Depending on the time of game they play, starting on a third/fourth line isn't always a bad thing for certain players.

In this case, for guys like Korpikoski and Byers, I really don't think it would be a bad thing at all. For a guy like Dawes or Prucha, not so much, but these two are kids who are going to need some adjustment time and I've always though they were the types who would start on a lower and work their way up.

Both have two years of AHL experience under their belt and I think could probably benefit from taking the next step. Having said that, I don't see them as the types that you throw into situations that are over their heads.

I think if you started Korpikoski on the third line and Byers on the fourth, it's not a bad starting point for either.

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I think realistically one may make the team but not both.............I do like both of them to be full time players by the end of this yr or next yr for sure

Moore I think gets the first crack at a spot as he is a two play player and 24..........Korpikoski and Byers are around 22

Call me crazy but I really think there is a good chance that Prucha and Betts are moved to get a physical D man..........reason is FA's like Orpik are going to cost a fortune since their is not much out there

Also if TO is willing to give Kubina to the Rangers for Backman and Prucha I think it goes down...........as long as they take some salary back........but I am sure their are other options too

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Aaaaaaaaaand my pt to saying Betts may be dealt is to say that it will make room for Moore to Centre that line with Sjostrom and either Byers or Orr..............

also call me nuts but I think Jessiman could prove to be a good callup or 4th line winger if he gets a chance........he finally improved enough to the pt where I think he is almost NHL ready in a limited role

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I don't see Betts being moved. He is not costing us a lot and he plays vital functions for the team. Jessiman improved last season but he is behind in his development to all of Byers, Korpikoski and Moore. I don't think it will have anything to do with age--it will be who comes to camp and makes the best impression. I wouldn't discount Byers. The Rangers need more aggression. After a lacklustre junior career he has had two pretty good pro seasons. Moore seems to be the most rounded but maybe the least exciting--kind of Jason Ward-like. Korpikoski has speed and is an all situation player. All of them would improve our size at wing. That's a good thing. Returning to Jessiman he had skating issues in the last training camp. He was awkward in close combat situations. He wasn't winning pucks. He was being maneuvered off balance. He went down and had a pretty good season but I would think if anyone of the above needs to show he can consistently put up offense he's the one. The other three and can be slotted in as 3rd and 4th liners but he's not a penalty killer--his job description isn't very diversified. He only makes our team as a version of Mike Rupp.

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I think I'd rather have Steve McKenna back on the team at this point then Ryan Hollweg, how sad is that?
The sad thing is I feel the same. I don't care who does it, but someone needs to replace Hollweg for next season.

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Aaaaaaaaaand my pt to saying Betts may be dealt is to say that it will make room for Moore to Centre that line with Sjostrom and either Byers or Orr..............

also call me nuts but I think Jessiman could prove to be a good callup or 4th line winger if he gets a chance........he finally improved enough to the pt where I think he is almost NHL ready in a limited role
Please. Moore is terrible. He will never be a NHL regular.

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I agree he is terrible and the most boring player to watch. I wouldn't say he is well rounded. Watching him play in Hartford was so boring. For Moore's size he should be banging guys around and maybe throwing some hits, sticking up for himself and his team members. Moore had 31 penalty minutes the whole 2007/2008 season, that is embarassing for NYR. New York is a hard working team who is gritty and I just don't see him fitting in. In 11 games in Hartford Callahan had 24 penalty minutes and in 72 games Moore had 31!?!?!? Not enough heart to play in New York

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I agree he is terrible and the most boring player to watch. I wouldn't say he is well rounded. Watching him play in Hartford was so boring. For Moore's size he should be banging guys around and maybe throwing some hits, sticking up for himself and his team members. Moore had 31 penalty minutes the whole 2007/2008 season, that is embarassing for NYR. New York is a hard working team who is gritty and I just don't see him fitting in. In 11 games in Hartford Callahan had 24 penalty minutes and in 72 games Moore had 31!?!?!? Not enough heart to play in New York
It's not even that he doesn't have enough heart. He's just not a banger. He's a VERY passive player. He was this way in college, also.

I never got the hype over this guy. Ever. He's just not that good. People penciling him into the line-up need their heads checked.

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I just don't think he showed it as much as the other players. I'm a season ticket holder and there have been times when he just looks lazy and thats why I don't think he throws any checks. I just find him very boring and not even in his NHL games did he show any momentum he was just blah IMO. I don't think he deserves all the hype.

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The sad thing is I feel the same. I don't care who does it, but someone needs to replace Hollweg for next season.
the rangers should have a tryout for the fans for who can replace hollweg

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Dane Byers did not impress me with his limited stint on the team. Granted it was a small sample size, but I'm still not convinced otherwise. While I would like to get Hollweg away for anything at this point, I don't think Byers is the man to fill his position. He couldn't even hit anything and that's supposed to be his specialty. Let's let Korpedo fly there for now.

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Dane Byers did not impress me with his limited stint on the team. Granted it was a small sample size, but I'm still not convinced otherwise. While I would like to get Hollweg away for anything at this point, I don't think Byers is the man to fill his position. He couldn't even hit anything and that's supposed to be his specialty. Let's let Korpedo fly there for now.
Byers played 1 game and played at total of less than 2 mins!How can you base your judgement on that. You can't fill Hollwegs spot with a guy like Korpedo there is no physical presence with him. I want Korpedo to make the team next year but not to replace Hollweg.

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Dane Byers did not impress me with his limited stint on the team. Granted it was a small sample size, but I'm still not convinced otherwise. While I would like to get Hollweg away for anything at this point, I don't think Byers is the man to fill his position. He couldn't even hit anything and that's supposed to be his specialty. Let's let Korpedo fly there for now.
He played 1 game, and saw 5:05 of playing time in that game. In those 5:05 minutes, he was credited with 3 hits. But hey, if you think 5:05 of playing time is enough in which to evaluate a player, more power to you.

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He played 1 game, and saw 5:05 of playing time in that game. In those 5:05 minutes, he was credited with 3 hits. But hey, if you think 5:05 of playing time is enough in which to evaluate a player, more power to you.
agreed. I like him, a lot. I think hes the perfect replacement for Hollweg, because even if he "fails" as a prospect, he will be much better than Hollweg ever can be. And if he actually develops his power game even more, he could be a real diamond in the rough.

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agreed. I like him, a lot. I think hes the perfect replacement for Hollweg, because even if he "fails" as a prospect, he will be much better than Hollweg ever can be. And if he actually develops his power game even more, he could be a real diamond in the rough.
2ed round pick diamond in the rough

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Hollweg should be packed up in a bag and shipped to Siberia.
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Maybe the Wild will pick him up so he can be on a line with Simon.
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Simon signed with Vityaz Checkov of the RSL earlier this week.
That puts a whole different spin on sending Hollweg to Siberia doesn't it lol.

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Hollweg is signed for next year. No doubt he can be demoted but I wouldn't be surprised if he got picked off of the waiver wire. I have to think he will be in training camp with a clean slate. He will always have to fight for a job. That being said the Rangers of 07-08 were not a physical team--our forwards in general were too small--it factored against us IMO in the Pittsburgh series. Hollweg is maybe half a step above a Cam Janssen's talent wise but losing and not replacing somehow his hard forechecking physical game will make us an easier team to play against.

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