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05-25-2004, 09:40 AM
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Dallas Stars Chat Mock Draft Review

Hi Stars Fans,

Well since no one signed up to take the Stars in the mock draft the honor fell to myself, and I'd just like your opinions on how I did for you guys in this draft.

The draft took place in the HF Chat Room and consisted of a few HF writers and many longtime posters.

A couple of days before the draft I swung a trade with the Montreal Canadiens. Dallas sent Jason Arnott , Vojtech Polak , and the #34 overall pick to the Montreal Canadiens for Marcel Hossa , Corey Locke and the #18 overall pick.

Arnott needed to be qualified at 4 million a year and with the uncertainty with the new CBA I thought it would be better to move him along for some younger players. Polak struggled this season in the Czech League and still has a reputation as a lazy player who takes games off. Marcel Hossa also had a down year but is capable of being a good 2nd line player for many years to come, possibly as soon as next season, I think with the change of scenery he will thrive in Dallas. Corey Locke, for as much as people criticize his shortcomings just continues to put up bigtime offensive numbers, even without his partner in crime Matt Foy, he may take a couple of years but I think down the road he could be a PP specialist type guy for the Stars who puts 15 goals and 35 assists per season.

Now onto the draft, with a couple of suprise picks before we were up, the Stars were very fortunate to land Kyle Chipchura with the pick aquired from the Habs , the #1 rated skater out of the WHL, Chipchura projects to be a power center with a nice mean streak. He won't be a #1 scoring center but he will be an impact NHL'er for years to come, think Rod Brind'Amour except meaner. As I came on the clock I was offered mutiple deals for this pick from many different teams, the deals ranged from Radek Bonk straight up, to a couple of 2nd round picks, to Kiril Koltsov and a 2nd and a few others, but I think keeping the pick was the right move.

Next we were up with our 20th pick, I was all set to take Andrej Meszaros with this pick to address the need at defense, but at the last minute I got a great offer from Boston. I was able to land Lars Jonsson , a 22 year old former Top 10 pick as well as Boston's #1 pick, only 3 spots down at #23. Jonsson is still a very good prospect and really made strides this year in Sweden, he will play for Dallas very soon and will be a valuable 2nd pair d-man.

So I moved down to 23, still hoping maybe my guy Meszaros would fall, he didn't, the next 3 picks were Blake Wheeler, Meszaros and Al Montoya. So with the #23 pick I decided to take, IMO the best player left on the board, Adam Pineault , don't let his numbers at BC fool you this year, just because his advisors made a poor decision to have im play college hockey at 17, shouldn't make you think less of Pineault. He put up big numbers for the US U-18 team as an underage player and has all the skills to be a huge scorer in the NHL.

BTW: With the 34th pick the Habs took Bruce Graham
So here is the review

Gained

Kyle Chipchura
Lars Jonsson
Adam Pineault
Corey Locke

Lost

Jason Arnott
Vojtech Polak
Bruce Graham

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05-25-2004, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Herby
Hi Stars Fans,

Well since no one signed up to take the Stars in the mock draft the honor fell to myself, and I'd just like your opinions on how I did for you guys in this draft.

The draft took place in the HF Chat Room and consisted of a few HF writers and many longtime posters.

A couple of days before the draft I swung a trade with the Montreal Canadiens. Dallas sent Jason Arnott , Vojtech Polak , and the #34 overall pick to the Montreal Canadiens for Marcel Hossa , Corey Locke and the #18 overall pick.

Arnott needed to be qualified at 4 million a year and with the uncertainty with the new CBA I thought it would be better to move him along for some younger players. Polak struggled this season in the Czech League and still has a reputation as a lazy player who takes games off. Marcel Hossa also had a down year but is capable of being a good 2nd line player for many years to come, possibly as soon as next season, I think with the change of scenery he will thrive in Dallas. Corey Locke, for as much as people criticize his shortcomings just continues to put up bigtime offensive numbers, even without his partner in crime Matt Foy, he may take a couple of years but I think down the road he could be a PP specialist type guy for the Stars who puts 15 goals and 35 assists per season.

Now onto the draft, with a couple of suprise picks before we were up, the Stars were very fortunate to land Kyle Chipchura with the pick aquired from the Habs , the #1 rated skater out of the WHL, Chipchura projects to be a power center with a nice mean streak. He won't be a #1 scoring center but he will be an impact NHL'er for years to come, think Rod Brind'Amour except meaner. As I came on the clock I was offered mutiple deals for this pick from many different teams, the deals ranged from Radek Bonk straight up, to a couple of 2nd round picks, to Kiril Koltsov and a 2nd and a few others, but I think keeping the pick was the right move.

Next we were up with our 20th pick, I was all set to take Andrej Meszaros with this pick to address the need at defense, but at the last minute I got a great offer from Boston. I was able to land Lars Jonsson , a 22 year old former Top 10 pick as well as Boston's #1 pick, only 3 spots down at #23. Jonsson is still a very good prospect and really made strides this year in Sweden, he will play for Dallas very soon and will be a valuable 2nd pair d-man.

So I moved down to 23, still hoping maybe my guy Meszaros would fall, he didn't, the next 3 picks were Blake Wheeler, Meszaros and Al Montoya. So with the #23 pick I decided to take, IMO the best player left on the board, Adam Pineault , don't let his numbers at BC fool you this year, just because his advisors made a poor decision to have im play college hockey at 17, shouldn't make you think less of Pineault. He put up big numbers for the US U-18 team as an underage player and has all the skills to be a huge scorer in the NHL.

BTW: With the 34th pick the Habs took Bruce Graham
So here is the review

Gained

Kyle Chipchura
Lars Jonsson
Adam Pineault
Corey Locke

Lost

Jason Arnott
Vojtech Polak
Bruce Graham
Like I said before, I don't like the Arnott trade one bit. Here's my original response to it..

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Hell I don't love Arnott, but his value for the Stars is quite underrated. 4 Million a year for a guy that fills so many holes in your line-up is not out of the question. The Stars are in a much better financial situation then you realise, they dump about 25 million in salary in the upcoming off-season and Turgeon as well as Modano's contract all run out next season or the season there after. But, the value in the trade just isn't there. The Stars passed on Locke several times (5 or 6 times to be exact), he's small and would not fill a need with Naurov, Kapanen, Hagos and Lundqvist down the middle. Same goes for Marcel Hossa, who at LW has competiton from Morrow, Ott, Polak, Jokinen and Miettinen, not going to happen. It's by far our biggest strenght in the organisation. The pick swap results in a 16 spot upgrade, but to tell you the truth, the difference in potential or eventual impact between the 16th and 34th is not as big as it was in previous drafts. I honestly feel that, besides the picks, the Stars are giving up the two best players in the deal. If they trade Jason (trading a prospect like Polak is IMO totally out of the question for a rebuilding franchise lacking youth), you better expect them to land someone with a more secure future. Not gambles like Locke or Hossa. I know it's all in good fun and all, but, this trade wouldn't be in the Stars interest IMHO.
When the Stars deal Arnott (not for nor against it), you better expect a more secure and safer return then 2 gamble projects who don't really fill much of a need. Let alone adding in a prospect that does.

Not sure whether I like your pick of Kyle Chipchura either. The Stars need defense more then anything, especially since there's a chance we'll see 6 of our current defensemen leaving (Matvichuk, Klemm, Sweeney, Numminen, Therien, Sekeras). Not only that, but with the rather dissapointing development of Martin Vagner, the defense for as well the Stars as their prospect system is extremely thin. The same automaticly goes for Adam Pineault. Not picking at least one defenseman when you have 2 firsts while it's your biggest and most glaring weakness in the entire organisation? Regardless, you somewhat made up for it with the Lars Johnson deal though, but I wouldn't be exactly thrilled or excited may the Stars actually pull the same stuff.

I do appreciate your recap and your dedication and I'd like to apopolgize I wasn't able to make it (the time difference proved to be too much)..

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You were really fortuneate to land Chipchura for the Stars, Herby

I was thinking about him at #8 with Carolina, but they really need defensemen.

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MG,

I always believe in taking the best available player rather than draft based on need. For one thing, by the time these guys are ready in 3-4 years your needs could be totally different, and a second reason is, even if in 3-4 years you do need defenseman you still draft the best forward today because he should have more trade value down the road to fill that hole on D.

Philly taking Ouellet in 99 was a good example of this, they already had Boucher and J-M Pelletier in goal but took the best player available and down the road were able to trade Oeullet to fill a need (albeit an awful trade).

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Arnott deal is brutal. I think he is worth more especially to the Stars where is is the defacto #1 center. Hossa and locke do nothing for me. There are more talented prospects available. I guy like hainsey would fill a need. The picks are okay. Chipchura adds size.The second deal was good but do not really like the pick. Most people say Bolland vs Pinaeult but have not seen either. They really like Soderburg supposibly but would probably take Fransson or Hedman or another d-man if there. Like getting Jonsson as they need immediate help and he could come over and a nice deal for only three spots. Overall, I think it is hard to do a team you only kinda know.

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I like it, the draft that is, 2 of the top 30 players is awesome. Kyle C. is gonna be a good player. Arnott has show what he is, fragile and approaching 30 yrs old. He can score but only when he is focused, which isnt enough. Chipchura would be able to take his place no problem...

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I don't like the Arnott deal...I would've held out for Hainsey. Marcel Hossa is a cream puff, and Corey Locke's lack of size *and* skating ability tend to spell death for most prospects.

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