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05-25-2008, 05:22 PM
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Cammallerie

So guys, its very popular now to ask for the value of absolutely unusefull players,
i start to ask for a true sniper who makes almost every Playmaking Center better...

i m exited to see your offers

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05-25-2008, 05:36 PM
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Cammalleri's value around the league isn't very high.

One reason is that he's small and can get knocked around easily, but the main reason is that it's pretty clear that he will go wherever the money takes him, so nobody will give up major assets for only one year of Cammalleri, as it will be difficult to re-sign him.

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His value's probably as low as it will ever be coming off the abortion of a season he had last year. And what's this about being a true sniper? Cammalleri has offensive talent for sure but definitely not a sniper. He's a pretty balanced forward actually, offensively.

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#19 or #36 pick?

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#19 or #36 pick?
for me i would take the #19 and run...

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Raffi Torres and Ladislav Smid?

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for me i would take the #19 and run...


How about you spell his name right and then you take the pick and run???

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Cammalleri's value around the league isn't very high.

One reason is that he's small and can get knocked around easily, but the main reason is that it's pretty clear that he will go wherever the money takes him, so nobody will give up major assets for only one year of Cammalleri, as it will be difficult to re-sign him.
Another misconception thats become touted as fact. Noone knows that for sure yet its the biggest thing used against when deciding his value.

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Another misconception thats become touted as fact. Noone knows that for sure yet its the biggest thing used against when deciding his value.
I'm pretty sure every GM sees it that way. After his 80 point season, he was looking to cash in. That's one breakthrough season. The Sedins had a similar year like that and signed for 3.575 each, whereas he was looking for what, 5-6 million?

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I'm pretty sure every GM sees it that way. After his 80 point season, he was looking to cash in. That's one breakthrough season. The Sedins had a similar year like that and signed for 3.575 each, whereas he was looking for what, 5-6 million?
Different situations. You cant blame Cammalleri for asking for that when you look at some of the contracts that are out there now. Guys just puts up 80 points at 24 years old, chances are hes going to repeat it. If he comes out and does it again this year then what? All of a sudden hes more valuable?

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Different situations. You cant blame Cammalleri for asking for that when you look at some of the contracts that are out there now. Guys just puts up 80 points at 24 years old, chances are hes going to repeat it. If he comes out and does it again this year then what? All of a sudden hes more valuable?
Sure you can. Tanguay got 5.25, but he had been putting up top line points for quite a while. And there's a chance that he doesn't repeat it, which we all know as the sophomore jinx, right? If he came back and did it again, then yes, he would be more valuable. What would make more sense? Giving a 5.5 million dollar contract to a guy with one 80 point season under his belt, or 6 million to a guy with two 80 point seasons under his belt? I take the second option 9 times out of 10, with the other 1 being reserved for players like Malkin, Ovechkin, and Crosby.

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Sure you can. Tanguay got 5.25, but he had been putting up top line points for quite a while. And there's a chance that he doesn't repeat it, which we all know as the sophomore jinx, right? If he came back and did it again, then yes, he would be more valuable. What would make more sense? Giving a 5.5 million dollar contract to a guy with one 80 point season under his belt, or 6 million to a guy with two 80 point seasons under his belt? I take the second option 9 times out of 10, with the other 1 being reserved for players like Malkin, Ovechkin, and Crosby.
When he sees contracts like the ones handed out to Hartnell, Penner etc asking for 750k more than them isnt a big deal. Its negotiations. Buts its ridiculous that everyone uses an assumption to lower his value.

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There is a good chance that Cammy leaves LA come next year, so that may be a problem

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So guys, its very popular now to ask for the value of absolutely unusefull players,
i start to ask for a true sniper who makes almost every Playmaking Center better...

i m exited to see your offers
huh?

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Sure you can. Tanguay got 5.25, but he had been putting up top line points for quite a while. And there's a chance that he doesn't repeat it, which we all know as the sophomore jinx, right? If he came back and did it again, then yes, he would be more valuable. What would make more sense? Giving a 5.5 million dollar contract to a guy with one 80 point season under his belt, or 6 million to a guy with two 80 point seasons under his belt? I take the second option 9 times out of 10, with the other 1 being reserved for players like Malkin, Ovechkin, and Crosby.
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When he sees contracts like the ones handed out to Hartnell, Penner etc asking for 750k more than them isnt a big deal. Its negotiations. Buts its ridiculous that everyone uses an assumption to lower his value.
It's ridiculous to ask for something you don't deserve. So he sees the contracts to Hartnell and Penner, which weren't good contracts at all and definitely way above market value; everybody can see that. And despite having no leverage at all, he still asks for way above market value. So what message does this give to GMs of other teams? It means that he'll go wherever the money takes him. This actually isn't about who he is, but more of the perception around the league. Unless a general manager wants to talk to Cammalleri in person, there's no way of knowing what his true intentions are, and besides, if Cammalleri says that he's going to re-sign with whatever team he plays for, what leverage does this give him in contract negotiations?

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He said that it was likely that Cammalleri would repeat his 80 point season. I said that there's an equal chance that he doesn't. What's wrong with that? You can't say that a player is going to repeat a good season, because there are so many elements of hockey that it's impossible.

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obviously he has no value if noone can even spell his name right!

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Kubina and Poni for Cammy
The reason why the Kings would possibly trade Cammalleri in th first place is due to his salary demands and the idea that if he was signed to such a high price it'd hamstring the Kings ability to sign their better players, i.e. Kopitar, Johnson. Trading for Kubina does not help that situation. So no.

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It's ridiculous to ask for something you don't deserve. So he sees the contracts to Hartnell and Penner, which weren't good contracts at all and definitely way above market value; everybody can see that. And despite having no leverage at all, he still asks for way above market value. So what message does this give to GMs of other teams? It means that he'll go wherever the money takes him. This actually isn't about who he is, but more of the perception around the league. Unless a general manager wants to talk to Cammalleri in person, there's no way of knowing what his true intentions are, and besides, if Cammalleri says that he's going to re-sign with whatever team he plays for, what leverage does this give him in contract negotiations?


He said that it was likely that Cammalleri would repeat his 80 point season. I said that there's an equal chance that he doesn't. What's wrong with that? You can't say that a player is going to repeat a good season, because there are so many elements of hockey that it's impossible.
He had leverage but he gave it away by filing for arbitration. He easily could have not done it and waited for an offer sheet. Yet he didnt. People leave that out of their argument and use the amount he asked for to form their opinion. You think GM's who deal with this everyday dont look at everything involved? And lets not forget he had to switch agents this offseason due to his taking the GM position of the Canucks. His agent was known for playing hardball and being a PITA. So much has changed yet people dont realize it and continue to use assumptions.

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He had leverage but he gave it away by filing for arbitration. He easily could have not done it and waited for an offer sheet. Yet he didnt. People leave that out of their argument and use the amount he asked for to form their opinion. You think GM's who deal with this everyday dont look at everything involved? And lets not forget he had to switch agents this offseason due to his taking the GM position of the Canucks. His agent was known for playing hardball and being a PITA. So much has changed yet people dont realize it and continue to use assumptions.
Were Kings execs or fans expecting Cammalleri to get an offer sheet?

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Were Kings execs or fans expecting Cammalleri to get an offer sheet?
It was a worry until Cammalleri filed for arbitration. 24 yrs old coming off an 80 point season. Very easily could have gotten one.

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Who would you offer for Michael Cammalleri in a trade.

For example, I would offer Raffi Torres.

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