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05-21-2008, 07:44 PM
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Think if we had gotten him, we could have kept Briere on Richards wing, Carter as our #2 center, and JR as our 3rd...

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05-22-2008, 04:37 AM
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How does contract negotiations work ?

can a guy who is out of contract refuse to talk to the club and just go out on the market to see what club will give him the most money or do he have to resigned if the club offers him a sertan amount of money ?
Contracts expire on June 30th. Until then only the club the player is contracted to has the right to negotiate with him.

Starting July 1st every club can offer a contract to the player (offer sheet). If the player decides to sign such an offer sheet the club which owns his rights has one week to either match the offer or walk away.

If they match the offer the player stays with his old team to the conditions negotiated in the offer sheet and he can't be traded for one year (365 days).

If they walk away, the player is property of the club who signed him to the offer sheet. His old club gets a compensation consisting of draft picks according to a chart that is specified in the CBA. This chart changes every season as much as the NHL average salary increases or decreases. The new chart for the upcoming offseason will be released with the new salary cap, sometime around June 25th. The chart for last offseason:

2007 Offseason:

Amount
Compensation Due
$773,442 or lessNone
$773,442 - $1,171,8823rd round pick
$1,171,882 - $2,343,7642nd round pick
$2,343,764 - $3,515,6451st and 3rd round pick
$3,515,645 - $4,687,5271st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$4,687,527 - $5,859,412Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$5,859,412 or moreFour 1st round picks


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05-22-2008, 04:52 AM
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2007 Offseason:

Amount
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$773,442 or lessNone
$773,442 - $1,171,8823rd round pick
$1,171,882 - $2,343,7642nd round pick
$2,343,764 - $3,515,6451st and 3rd round pick
$3,515,645 - $4,687,5271st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$4,687,527 - $5,859,412Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$5,859,412 or moreFour 1st round picks
Coolm thanx Rick for posting this

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05-22-2008, 06:40 AM
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Will we keep Rosie?

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Thanks interesting info

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I thought the cap will go up to 63M? Right/wrong?

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05-22-2008, 08:17 AM
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I thought the cap will go up to 63M? Right/wrong?
56.3 million was speculated by the NYPost. The official number will be announced around June 25th.

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05-22-2008, 08:35 AM
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Will we keep Rosie?
I doubt it. Unless he goes to "goal scoring school" ala Richards last year he is done with this club. Trade or overseas IMO.

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I doubt it. Unless he goes to "goal scoring school" ala Richards last year he is done with this club. Trade or overseas IMO.
He'll probably go to Europe. He is too good for AHL and not good enough for NHL.

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Homer on DNL about Hatcher: "In our meeting yesterday we talked and he said he wanted to play, but he's still not sure if he can yet. We look forward to him playing, he plays a big role on our team, maybe he'll play not as a full time player, but when he can..."

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Homer on DNL about Hatcher: "In our meeting yesterday we talked and he said he wanted to play, but he's still not sure if he can yet. We look forward to him playing, he plays a big role on our team, maybe he'll play not as a full time player, but when he can..."
That's garbage. You can't knowingly tie up $3.5 million with the expectation of him being a part-time player.

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05-27-2008, 12:10 AM
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That's garbage. You can't knowingly tie up $3.5 million with the expectation of him being a part-time player.
agreed. there is no way you can justify paying 3.5 million to a guy who you may get for 40-50 games next season.
I would like to spend that 3.5 million somewhere else.

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05-27-2008, 12:17 AM
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That's garbage. You can't knowingly tie up $3.5 million with the expectation of him being a part-time player.

Can his contract be re-negotiated? I doubt the NHLPA would allow it, but just wondering.

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Can his contract be re-negotiated? I doubt the NHLPA would allow it, but just wondering.
No it cant.

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No it cant.

That's pretty much what I thought, thanks for confirming.

I'm big on the loyalty thing which is why, in part, I didn't want to see Knuble moved at the deadline. But $3.5 million for someone playing on one leg is a bit steep.

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05-27-2008, 09:51 AM
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I think Flyers can take him to salary arbitration but probably won't do that.

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I think Flyers can take him to salary arbitration but probably won't do that.
No, they can't. Contracts can't be re-negotiated under the current CBA.

They have the following options:
  • Hatcher stays: $3.5 million cap hit for 08/09 and Hatcher is on the roster
  • Hatcher retires: $0 cap hit because Hatcher was 35 years or younger when he signed his contract
  • Hatcher is placed on LTIR: His $3.5 million cap hit counts towards the cap, but can be replaced with the cap hit of another player
  • Hatcher is bought out: Half his cap hit counts for twice his remaining contract length towards the cap, $1.75 million for 08/09 and 09/10


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No, they can't. Contracts can't be re-negotiated under the current CBA.

They have the following options:
  • Hatcher stays: $3.5 million cap hit for 08/09 and Hatcher is on the roster
  • Hatcher retires: $0 cap hit because Hatcher was 35 years or younger when he signed his contract
  • Hatcher is placed on LTIR: His $3.5 million cap hit counts towards the cap, but can be replaced with the cap hit of another player
  • Hatcher is bought out: Half his cap hit counts for twice his remaining contract length towards the cap, $1.75 million for 08/09 and 09/10
I thought there was some kind of performance arbitration?

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I thought there was some kind of performance arbitration?
No, there isn't anything like that. Once a contract is filed with the league it stays until it expires. The only option a team has is to buy the contract out.

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[*]Hatcher is bought out: Half his cap hit counts for twice his remaining contract length towards the cap, $1.75 million for 08/09 and 09/10[/list]
I thought buyouts were still 2/3 of the remaining contract and cap hit. If so, Hatcher's cap hit would be 1.17 mil for 08/09 and 09/10.

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I thought buyouts were still 2/3 of the remaining contract and cap hit. If so, Hatcher's cap hit would be 1.17 mil for 08/09 and 09/10.
you pay 2/3rds, but he would count as 1.75M against the cap.

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I thought buyouts were still 2/3 of the remaining contract and cap hit. If so, Hatcher's cap hit would be 1.17 mil for 08/09 and 09/10.
Yes, you're right. I forgot to calculate the buyout amount, I calculated with his remaining caphit.

Hatcher is 35 years old, to buy him out we need to pay 2/3rd of his remaining salary, $2.33 million. This buyout amount is spread over twice the remaining contract length, Hatcher has one year left, therefore the buyout amount is spread over two years. That makes $1.17 million for 08/09 and 09/10.

Example one, basically


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Yes, you're right. I forgot to calculate the buyout amount, I calculated with his remaining caphit.

Hatcher is 35 years old, to buy him out we need to pay 2/3rd of his remaining salary, $2.33 million. This buyout amount is spread over twice the remaining contract length, Hatcher has one year left, therefore the buyout amount is spread over two years. that makes $1.17 million for 08/09 and 09/10.

Example one, basically
interesting, i thought they still hit you based on the actual contract amount.

in that case, i think a buy out is easily the smartest thing to do with Hatcher. with Coburn on the cheap for the next two years, paying that cap hit for Hatcher isn't a big deal at all.

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interesting, i thought they still hit you based on the actual contract amount.

in that case, i think a buy out is easily the smartest thing to do with Hatcher. with Coburn on the cheap for the next two years, paying that cap hit for Hatcher isn't a big deal at all.
And if Smith would re-sign for about $2 million, we would keep our captain, would still have one tough defenseman and still save some money. Or, if Smith doesn't want to extent his contract, we would be able to sign somebody like Commodore.

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If we were going to sign someone like Commodore, we'd be better off just bringing up the Goat. Commodore will want more than 2 million.

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