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I'm trying hard to get your point but i can't!
Are you comparing Wideman to Lombardi? Wideman couldn't tie Lombardi's skates or tape his stick.
The only thing i get about your post was how bad a trade that was but even HF members shook their heads at that retarded trade.
And once again, It was more of a case of Lombardi learning to be a more complete player this year than struggling, he was actually very effective in his role.
I'm comparing Boyes to Lombardi. He was struggling to produce, like Lombardi was this season, so he got traded. What did he get in return? Dennis Wideman. If that's his trade value, then it's like saying 17th overall + Wideman for 6th overall, and nobody would do that.
I'm trying hard to get your point but i can't!
Are you comparing Wideman to Lombardi? Wideman couldn't tie Lombardi's skates or tape his stick.
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This comment is so stupid I didn't even want to warrant it with a response, but I guess I will try and enlighten you. Dennis Wideman, the guy you claim couldnt tape Lombardis stick, averaged 25:09 of ice time last year. Heres his stats:
GP:81 G:13 A:23 P:36 +/-:+11
Here are Lombardis stats:
GP:82 G:14 A:22 P:36 +/-:-6
So let me clear up some facts for you. Wideman, as a DEFENSEMAN, had the same amount of points as Lombardi and only one less goal. He played top pairing minutes and finished the season +11.
Lombardi is nothing more than a good 3rd liner/Borderline second liner. Wideman is a lot better than Lombardi.
The funny thing is that this thread is only one page so you'd think before he posted that he'd at the very least look at his other posts before saying something like that.
Its poster Iggy-4-50, it should be expected from him by now. Between his borderline trolling and blatant homerisms the guy should have been banned by now.
This comment is so stupid I didn't even want to warrant it with a response, but I guess I will try and enlighten you. Dennis Wideman, the guy you claim couldnt tape Lombardis stick, averaged 25:09 of ice time last year. Heres his stats:
GP:81 G:13 A:23 P:36 +/-:+11
Here are Lombardis stats:
GP:82 G:14 A:22 P:36 +/-:-6
So let me clear up some facts for you. Wideman, as a DEFENSEMAN, had the same amount of points as Lombardi and only one less goal. He played top pairing minutes and finished the season +11.
Lombardi is nothing more than a good 3rd liner/Borderline second liner. Wideman is a lot better than Lombardi.
Y'know, I really was comparing what Boyes got in return, but that's actually an eerily awesome comparison because I don't know anything about what Wideman's done this season. Kudos to you.
Edit: Actually that completely disproves what I'm trying to say. Which is...do you trade 17th overall and a struggling defenseman (remember that this is in 06/07 terms) for 6th overall?
Ummm you probably don't know this but the Flames do have extra roster players and a farm team with young players. Boyd for example was with the team all year and only played about half the season.
Don't be a nitwit.
*sigh* Didn't take long to resort to name-calling.
Based on the roster, we could probably expect Lombardi on the second line, or third line if some other players over-perform. With Lombardi gone, how much would it cost to sign a 2nd or 3rd line centre via UFA? AT LEAST 1.5 mil. If you don't think that we need to sign or trade for starting forwards now, keep in mind that have only 7 returning players at this point, including Boyd. That is 5 starting roles to fill, plus one or two extra roster spots for flexibility. Every team has extra roster players and a farm team for a reason; injuries, setbacks, development, etc. Doesn't mean those extra roster players or farm players are ready or able to fill a 2nd/3rd line centre role + PK time.
And thank you for making me aware that the Flames have "extra roster players and a farm team with young players." You obviously have a lot to teach us, Mr. Iggy-4-50.
Well Darth useally you show good insite but this time you bombed, If Lombardi and the 17th pick isn't worth moving up 11 spots you know d!ck about Lombardi and value.
Personly i like Lombardi and I truly think with ice time he's a 60-70 point center and a game breaker with his speed and PK ability. I feel his value is high to GM's because of his contract. But I think Boyd could be another Lombardi and fill his role somewhat. It might not sound like much but an extra 1.5m in cap room wouldn't hurt the Flames right now.
But like Ice Cream Man stated, Lombardi is due to have a break out season, last year Keenan groomed him to be a complete player but didn't give him the offensive role.
I'll gladly continue to wait for his outbreak with the Flames if other GM's think like you.
PS, Lombardi isn't very "small" he just skates fast like a small man.
Right. If a 14 goal scorer isn't worth moving up in a extremely strong draft then I don't know ****.
What a ridiculous homer you are being....
Of course Lombardi should be worth far more than his actual performance on the ice - because he happens to play for your favorite team.
And, we can all wait for Lombardi's "outbreak"(and, if he does have an "outbreak," we might want to call in the Centers for Disease Control), but we're talking about trade value NOW. And, NOW, a 14-goal 36 pointer, who is small, has never scored more than 48 points in his career, and isn't all that far from UFA, does not even get you close to a move up in the draft. You're talking about a guy whose real-world market value is probably in the range of a third round pick.
If he does ACTUALLY PROVE (i.e., we're not talking about the projections of a hometown fan - we're talking about events in the real world) ON THE ICE that he can score 60 - 70 points, then he'll have the trade value of a 60 - 70 point center. But, last time I checked, NHL GMs do not base trade value on the optimistic projections of posters at hfboards.
P.S. 5'11" is VERY small by today's NHL standards.
If you realize that the 6th overall pick can net you a blue chip prospect why would any team trade a blue chip prospect for 36 points per season? There's a lot of teams looking to move up in the draft and if you want a prospect that's nearly impossible to screw in picking I've got a better solution.
To columbus:
Iginla
To Calgary:
6th overall + 19th.
Two picks in a deep draft. One of whom if picked well would be your blue chip. In exchange Columbus gets something of value that will actually help them now for giving up 2 picks in a deep draft. Remember...that's the key. This is a VERY deep draft and as such Lombardi for the 19th is even questionable and has some risks. Cogliano was drafted 25th overall in 2005 and in his rookie year had GP:82 G:18 A:27 P:45 +1. I'd say there's some risk the pick could outperform Lombardi NEXT year let alone in all the years to come.
Calgary would even have the added bonus of saying they took 2 prospects Edmonton would have loved to pick as you'd pick BOTH before Edmonton even got a sniff.
If you realize that the 6th overall pick can net you a blue chip prospect why would any team trade a blue chip prospect for 36 points per season? There's a lot of teams looking to move up in the draft and if you want a prospect that's nearly impossible to screw in picking I've got a better solution.
To columbus:
Iginla
To Calgary:
6th overall + 19th.
Two picks in a deep draft. One of whom if picked well would be your blue chip. In exchange Columbus gets something of value that will actually help them now for giving up 2 picks in a deep draft. Remember...that's the key. This is a VERY deep draft and as such Lombardi for the 19th is even questionable and has some risks. Cogliano was drafted 25th overall in 2005 and in his rookie year had GP:82 G:18 A:27 P:45 +1. I'd say there's some risk the pick could outperform Lombardi NEXT year let alone in all the years to come.
Calgary would even have the added bonus of saying they took 2 prospects Edmonton would have loved to pick as you'd pick BOTH before Edmonton even got a sniff.
That'd be me if this trade ever went down. Thankfully, Sutter isn't that dumb.
I can see why this might seem like an obvious steal for Columbus. Last year's IIHF championships with Nash and Lombardi ripping it up is why the Jackets might want Lombardi. Neither team does this though. Sutter believes in Lombardi, I think, and the 6th is too high for Columbus to give up.
Quote:
To columbus:
Iginla
To Calgary:
6th overall + 19th.
Not even CLOSE to funny. I think I cried just thinking about it.
If you realize that the 6th overall pick can net you a blue chip prospect why would any team trade a blue chip prospect for 36 points per season? There's a lot of teams looking to move up in the draft and if you want a prospect that's nearly impossible to screw in picking I've got a better solution.
To columbus:
Iginla
To Calgary:
6th overall + 19th.
Two picks in a deep draft. One of whom if picked well would be your blue chip. In exchange Columbus gets something of value that will actually help them now for giving up 2 picks in a deep draft. Remember...that's the key. This is a VERY deep draft and as such Lombardi for the 19th is even questionable and has some risks. Cogliano was drafted 25th overall in 2005 and in his rookie year had GP:82 G:18 A:27 P:45 +1. I'd say there's some risk the pick could outperform Lombardi NEXT year let alone in all the years to come.
Calgary would even have the added bonus of saying they took 2 prospects Edmonton would have loved to pick as you'd pick BOTH before Edmonton even got a sniff.
Wrong. If you're trading Iginla, given his playing history / performance and his sweethart of a contract, you're looking at involving a top-five pick and other pieces.
Keep in mind no prospect is guaranteed. Iginla is one of the top-five players in the game right now. A involved high-end pick - definitely greater than 6th - is adequate value for Iginla at this point, and that with adding another pieces or pieces, whatever they may be.
I know it was a bad proposal. I wasn't by any means serious. I expect Iggy to retire a Flame unless he decides to go somewhere else in his last year to give Calgary some high end porspects in return.
I mainly wanted to highlight how steal of a deal proposals do nothing but inflame people. How do you think Columbus fans feel about giving away a top 6 pick for someone who hasn't topped 50 points in thier career? Probably the same way Calgary fans would feel about trading Iginla for picks right now. The original trade proposal puts Colombus back in terms of development and prospects while putting Calgary up a couple notches on the depth chart.
This really isn't any better than all the Edm fans waving the Stoll/Torres/Smid and 1st around thinking it'll land a superstar. Chemistry in one tournie doesn't equal long term ability only a suggestion that they can produce. You don't get a 6th overall for potential chemistry when they can draft someone who can likely outproduce the person you're offering. I understand picks aren't guaranteed...but number 6 in a deep draft is a pretty good bet in most GM's books.
Lombardi is a 3rd line centre with loads of speed. The x factor is how well he plays with Nash as the two were amazing together.
And then what happens when it's proven that it was a flash in the pan? The Jackets would be stuck with yet another third liner. They aren't trading the 6th overall for a "maybe" player.
Lombardi is a 3rd line centre with loads of speed. The x factor is how well he plays with Nash as the two were amazing together.
I doubt any GM would give up on...
6: Colin Wilson
7: Colten Teubert
8: Kyle Beach
9: Nikita Filatov
10: Jimmy Hayes
...for Lombardi. I don't care how good the chemistry was you don't trade talent like that for a guy who hasn't hit 50 points in a single season.
By the logic of how they played at the Worlds Ottawa might as well trade off Spezza as Heatley played better without Spezza at the Worlds...right? Couldn't just be a short term thing could it? Peole don't really have either really good flashes or really bad moments do they?
Lombardi has potential he hasn't achieved yet. He'll be given a chance next year once Huselius and them are gone, but now he's not worth the trade. No deal from CBJ.
Lombardi is so underrated it would be stupid to move him since he has low trade value. I agree though the Flames need a blue chip offensive prospect. I'm pretty sure they'll be taking Bailey or Del Zotto if any of them drop this year though. Theyre pretty high on them.
I'm trying hard to get your point but i can't!
Are you comparing Wideman to Lombardi? Wideman couldn't tie Lombardi's skates or tape his stick.
The only thing i get about your post was how bad a trade that was but even HF members shook their heads at that retarded trade.
And once again, It was more of a case of Lombardi learning to be a more complete player this year than struggling, he was actually very effective in his role.
You could, infact, be the biggest homer on these boards.
Wideman is more then twice the player Lombardi is, and it's not close at all.
I doubt that Lombardi is going to reach the 60/70-point mark consistently. With a lot of time on scoring lines, it might happen, but I think that the year he lost due to the Hatcher elbow removed that possibility. I do think that he can become an elite defensive forward in the NHL, though, as he has the tools to play that role: he's lightning fast, good positionally, unafraid to sacrifice his body, and works hard every night. By the end of the season, Lombardi was one of the Flames' most valuable players in their own zone.
I think that more than a few Flames are going to be dealt before next October, but I don't think that Lombardi will be one of them. Why trade a valuable part of their defensive game when that's the problem with the team in the first place?
