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05-30-2008, 03:45 PM
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How are they stupid because Wheeler turned out to be an Eli Manning, Eric Lindros type juvenile, who feels the NHL owes him something because of his skills, which are average at best.
They were stupid because Wheeler was very obviously a raw, docile and infantile individual that needed a tremendous amount of work as far as skills, body and mind were concerned. They would know this when they drafted him because many of us on the outside already knew that and them being on the inside, should have known that too.

The difference with a Lindros is that while Big E was just as much of a numbnut mentally, his body and skills were ready to be a NHLer on a scoring line as early as 17 years old.

Drafting a low percentage player that requires a ton of work this early is always the wrong decision. Especially when the upside isn't all that great.

Gretzky and the Coyotes ****ed up. As usual.

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05-30-2008, 03:54 PM
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Still, it can't hurt to take a chance on the kid.

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Gretzky and the Coyotes ****ed up. As usual.
That's a good way to put it, I figured that era was over when Mike "let's make a deal" Barnett left. There's more wrong with the Coyotes then I thought.

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It'd be cool, if only for weight/height purposes:

S.Kostitsyn(6'0 196)-Plekanec(5'10 194)-A.Kostitsyn(6'0 200)
Higgins(6'0 200)-Koivu(5'10 187)-Kovalev(6'1 224)
Wheeler(6'4 220)-Lapierre(6'2 200)-Latendresse(6'2 222)
Stewart(6'2 200)/Begin(6'0 187)-Chipchura(6'2 204)-Kostopoulos(6'0 200)/D'Agostini(6'0 201)

Markov(6'0 204)-Komisarek(6'4 240)
O'Byrne(6'6 228)-Harmlik(6'2 215)
Gorges(6'1 195)-Bouillon(5'8 196)

Average (6'1 206)

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Wheeler is a rw

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05-30-2008, 05:01 PM
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Bad attitude = no pursuit by Canadiens.

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05-30-2008, 05:05 PM
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Bad attitude = no pursuit by Canadiens.
Is it that bad or is it just his agent that wants more money? We tend to judge a player's attitude by what we read and it could easily be a misconception.

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Is it that bad or is it just his agent that wants more money? We tend to judge a player's attitude by what we read and it could easily be a misconception.
I dont know, but his intangibles would fit in well with our team to say the least.

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Captain Planet! He's a hero! ... (that's all I remember from the early '90s)

"By YOUR powers combined, I am Captain Planet!"

Say whatever you want about the show, but Gaia was HOT!
Gaia the Earth Mother? Someone likes cougars

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I can't see the harm in trying to sign him. I remember reading on here somewhere -- correct me if I'm mistaken -- that Montreal's Minnesota scout, the guy responsible for turning the Habs onto Fischer and McDonagh, was the guy mainly responsible for Phoenix drafting Wheeler.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Habs prepared an offer. They targeted Lahti last year. They went after Brunnstrom. They went after Brock Trotter and seemed fairly pleased with themselves when they signed him. Winning teams are always looking for ways to add assets without giving anything up. Sometimes you get a Rafalski. Sometimes you get a Dopita.

As for Wheeler's intentions, who knows. Montreal is about a foreign a city as there is in North America (to an American), but it's a great place to play hockey. There are also a lot of US born players on the team and in the organization. It's not like he would find himself all alone in a strange land, holding his lunchbox timidly. Still, I think Toronto (and other organizations) would probably have a better chance.

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Maybe he wants to play for a winning franchise. Phoenix isnt a good team, they are getting better but if you have the choice to play for another franchise you should. I think its a fair bet to say that there is plenty of better in the league. Like for Burnstrom we have nothing to loose, its even better then for Burnstrom.

Does he have to accept a 2-way deal?

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05-30-2008, 11:40 PM
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If Blake Wheeler is our biggest acquisition of the summer i'll ****ing break something.
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Break something.....

I would probably kill something....or two.
That just means we ice the team who won the Eas this year with Price taking all the starts.

... I can live with that, for sure.

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Hmmm, she's more like 4.5 billion years old, which makes her like... I don't know... a tiger?

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That's a good way to put it, I figured that era was over when Mike "let's make a deal" Barnett left. There's more wrong with the Coyotes then I thought.
Barnett drafted Wheeler no?

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Is it that bad or is it just his agent that wants more money? We tend to judge a player's attitude by what we read and it could easily be a misconception.
His agent said it's not about the money, I believe he'll get less money now in the rookie max.

Anyway sounds like a moot point cause the rumor is that he wants to sign with the Wild.

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Does he have to accept a 2-way deal?
Yes he has to sign a 2 way deal.

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05-31-2008, 09:18 AM
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He can be signed June 9th, no?

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05-31-2008, 09:21 AM
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He can be signed June 9th, no?
As far as I know not until July 1st.

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Maybe the kid should be seen as being a very intelligent kid rather than a problem child. Maybe he looked closely at the Phoenix organization & didn't like what he saw??? Maybe he felt going to a better organizeted franchise would be the better route to developing into a true NHl player. Apparently he knew or knows that many who take this path rarely move up the pay scale of prospects or depth of the organization they are to be signed by. Maybe he felt that a season or two in the AHL would better prepare him for his NHL career rather than just jumping head first into the Phoenix mess on the ice.


I'm thinking this kid is probably a heck of a lot smarter than most are giving him credit for.

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As far as I know not until July 1st.
Well my understanding is that the Coyotes had a window of a month to sign him(starting May8th).

Seeing as he left University,will not be signed by Phoenix and is not draft eligible, doesn't that put him in the same position that Trotter and Danis were(not to mention Brunnstrom)? I thought only members of the NHLPA were subject to the July 1st rule.

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Maybe the kid should be seen as being a very intelligent kid rather than a problem child. Maybe he looked closely at the Phoenix organization & didn't like what he saw??? Maybe he felt going to a better organizeted franchise would be the better route to developing into a true NHl player. Apparently he knew or knows that many who take this path rarely move up the pay scale of prospects or depth of the organization they are to be signed by. Maybe he felt that a season or two in the AHL would better prepare him for his NHL career rather than just jumping head first into the Phoenix mess on the ice.


I'm thinking this kid is probably a heck of a lot smarter than most are giving him credit for.
While I don't know about how smart he is(he did pass up the bigger signing bonus+more money from the old CBA), but he's determined to map his own course. What I don't like is the fact that he's privileged enough to get a scholarship, be drafted and mentored by an NHL franchise for 4 years, gets a chance to live his dream and he still plays the "I want to be in full control of my destiny" card. It's not like he was drafted by the Ballard era Leafs.

Now it's within the realm of possibility that he actually signs in Europe or Russia...or pursues a different career altogether for whatever reason. That's noble, I can respect that, but if he signs with Minnesota I'll know he's a spoiled brat.

My guess is he signs with Minny or Pittsburgh.

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Well unlike Canadian junior hockey, I'm not sure what you mean by mentored by an NHL franchise, because correct me if I'm wrong, but he cannot participate in any NHL franchise camps, rookie or other development, for anymore than 48hrs, if at all & that all $$$ must be paid solely out of his pocket, including insurances or he fore goes his US college eligibility??

OUI???

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Well unlike Canadian junior hockey, I'm not sure what you mean by mentored by an NHL franchise, because correct me if I'm wrong, but he cannot participate in any NHL franchise camps, rookie or other development, for anymore than 48hrs, if at all & that all $$$ must be paid solely out of his pocket, including insurances or he fore goes his US college eligibility??

OUI???
His college eligibility is through. I believe he's played four years of college, correct?

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True, but I was eluding to the previous four summers.

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Well unlike Canadian junior hockey, I'm not sure what you mean by mentored by an NHL franchise, because correct me if I'm wrong, but he cannot participate in any NHL franchise camps, rookie or other development, for anymore than 48hrs, if at all & that all $$$ must be paid solely out of his pocket, including insurances or he fore goes his US college eligibility??

OUI???
He has NHL scouts monitoring his progress, talking to him after some games and offering advice, and I'm sure he's been to rookie camps.

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That just means we ice the team who won the Eas this year with Price taking all the starts.

... I can live with that, for sure.
There is no guarantee Kovy repeats his success from last year so that's why it would be important to add another star such as Hossa, Sundin, etc.

Also we aren't playing to win the Eastern Conference in the regular season, we are playing to win the Stanley Cup and last year showed we are a couple players away from doing that.

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