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06-02-2008, 10:24 AM
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Where is the love for Brian Rolston ?

If he didn't sign with Min, he should be one of our principal targets.

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06-02-2008, 10:47 AM
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THE -23 Steve McCarthy??? Bouillon >>>>>>> McCarthy.
Yes, he was -23. Yes he had a really bad year. Yes he has problems defensively. But I wouldn't mind him to round out our powerplay. And he would come cheaper than Bouillon who ideally would be dealt. Though if they were both here I'd expect them to split games.

Let's not forget Marian Hossa was a -14 on that Atlanta team as well, and he's very solid defensively. Atlanta just had problems this year.


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06-02-2008, 11:16 AM
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Andrei Kostitsyn - Tomas Plekanec - Alex Kovalev
Andrew Brunette - Saku Koivu - Sergei Kostitsyn
Christopher Higgins - Chris Kelly - Tom Kostopoulos
Maxim Lapierre - Kyle Chipchura - Guillaume Latendresse

Andrei Markov - Mike Komisarek
Roman Hamrlik - Ryan O'Byrne
Steve McCarthy - Josh Gorges

Carey Price
Jaroslav Halak

Press box: Francis Bouillon, Steve Begin, Greg Stewart
Great lineup. I would love to see both Brunette and Kelly signed, they would help us out alot imo

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06-02-2008, 12:42 PM
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06-02-2008, 12:52 PM
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Yes, he was -23. Yes he had a really bad year. Yes he has problems defensively. But I wouldn't mind him to round out our powerplay. And he would come cheaper than Bouillon who ideally would be dealt. Though if they were both here I'd expect them to split games.

Let's not forget Marian Hossa was a -14 on that Atlanta team as well, and he's very solid defensively. Atlanta just had problems this year.

He only played in 55 games and was still -23...

His career high is 16 points he was supposed to be a PP specialist when drafted but the guy has clearly became a bust and is a #7 defence on most teams, i'd rather have Gorges or even call up Mathieu Carle on the PP than McCarthy.

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06-02-2008, 01:09 PM
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Andrei Kostitsyn-Saku Koivu-Sergei Kostitsyn
Chris Higgins-Thomas Plekanek-Alex Kovalev
Guillaume Latendresse-Chris Kelly-Matt D'Agostini
Maxim Lapierre/Steve Begin-Kyle Chipchura-Tom Kostopoulos

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-O'Byrne
Bouillon-Gorges

Price
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06-02-2008, 01:10 PM
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Rolston and Brunette

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06-02-2008, 01:30 PM
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IF detroit were to win tonight, does that mean that as of tomorrow GM's can start making trades etc ... or do they have to wait until july 1st?

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06-02-2008, 01:38 PM
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IF detroit were to win tonight, does that mean that as of tomorrow GM's can start making trades etc ... or do they have to wait until july 1st?
I'm almost 100% sure GMs of eliminated teams are able to make trades immediately. Just during the playoffs, attention is focused on that, so few deals are made. Either way, there is no trade moratorium till July 1st. Deals can happen any time.

It would just look stupid to take the attention off the finals for a blockbuster that happens between teams that were knocked out.

July 1st is just the date at which teams lose exclusive negotiating rights with their pending UFAs.

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He only played in 55 games and was still -23...

His career high is 16 points he was supposed to be a PP specialist when drafted but the guy has clearly became a bust and is a #7 defence on most teams, i'd rather have Gorges or even call up Mathieu Carle on the PP than McCarthy.
Again, I'm not denying that he had an awful year. Or saying that he's a premiere offensive d-men in the league. But this team has 6 d-man for its NHL roster for next year right now: Markov, Komisarek, Hamrlik, Gorges, O'Byrne, and Bouillon. If all 6 of those guys are still here come training camp, then they're likely to play a lot of the games. It is doubtful that a guy like Carle or Valentenko is called up to sit in the press box half the time. So for your spare d-man, you're either signing a big name type of guy and sitting a Bouillon or O'Byrne from time to time, which I don't think is *totally* necessary, or signing a depth guy who can fill in as a PP specialist and also be sat. McCarthy fits into that category. He'd be inexpensive and could replace Streit on the PP when he's in the line-up. But you also lose no sweat sitting him if he turns into too big of a liability.


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06-02-2008, 01:42 PM
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I'm almost 100% sure GMs of eliminated teams are able to make trades immediately. Just during the playoffs, attention is focused on that, so few deals are made. Either way, there is no trade moratorium till July 1st. Deals can happen any time.

It would just look stupid to take the attention off the finals for a blockbuster that happens between teams that were knocked out.

July 1st is just the date at which teams lose exclusive negotiating rights with their pending UFAs.
Didn't a minor trade was made few days ago? It mean eliminated team can made trade.

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06-02-2008, 01:45 PM
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Didn't a minor trade was made few days ago? It mean eliminated team can made trade.
Right that's what I'm saying. I believe there was a swap of minor leaguers not long ago between Boston and Columbus.

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06-02-2008, 02:06 PM
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He only played in 55 games and was still -23...

His career high is 16 points he was supposed to be a PP specialist when drafted but the guy has clearly became a bust and is a #7 defence on most teams, i'd rather have Gorges or even call up Mathieu Carle on the PP than McCarthy.
I can't see how McCarthy can help us too. No need for help on the PP, with or without Streit. If McCarthy can't play for Atlanta, how he's suppposed to help our D?

A.Kost-Sundin-S.Kost
Higgins/Grabovski-Plekanec-Kovalev
Higgins/Grabovski-Koivu-Latendresse
Bégin/Kostopoulos-Lapierre/Chipchura-Lapierre/Kostopoulos/Stewart

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-Gorges
Bouillon-O'Byrne
extra: Brisebois or an UFA

Price
Halak

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06-02-2008, 02:08 PM
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Teams that haven't been eliminated can make trades too, I'm pretty sure. They just can't use any of the players they trade for in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure it's just a roster freeze, not a trade freeze. Not that it matters, since GMs of teams still in show have better things to do than tinker with the roster for next season.

Anywho, here's my roster:

AK-Pleks-Kovalev
Higgins-Koivu-SK
Lats-Grabs-Streit
Lappy-Chipper-Kosto

Markov-Komo
Hammer-O'B
Cube-Gorges

Price
Halak

So I didn't pencil in any UFAs, other than Streit. It's a tough year to be a buyer, people who are expecting to add two quality UFAs are setting themselves up for serious disappointment. Heck, even landing one quality guy might be tough.

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06-02-2008, 02:30 PM
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I can't see how McCarthy can help us too. No need for help on the PP, with or without Streit. If McCarthy can't play for Atlanta, how he's suppposed to help our D?

A.Kost-Sundin-S.Kost
Higgins/Grabovski-Plekanec-Kovalev
Higgins/Grabovski-Koivu-Latendresse
Bégin/Kostopoulos-Lapierre/Chipchura-Lapierre/Kostopoulos/Stewart

Markov-Komisarek
Hamrlik-Gorges
Bouillon-O'Byrne
extra: Brisebois or an UFA

Price
Halak
The point would be your "Brisebois or a UFA" would be McCarthy who should come cheaply. And he would sub in for Bouillon or O'Byrne at times.

If we don't need the extra guy on the PP, what are your PP d-pairings? Markov with who? Then Hammer and S. Kostitsyn? Sundin on the point?

As for your line-up, I don't like the idea of an O'Byrne - Bouillon pairing. Sizewise it might make sense, but O'Byrne is still in the learning and development stage and he should be playing with someone who is reliable defensively like Hammer. Or even Gorges.

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06-02-2008, 03:27 PM
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I Sign Wade redden

I trade O'byrne or gorges + prospect like maxwell weber yemelin locke to get Jason blake Frolov or Milan Hejduk

I go for


A Kost Pleck Kovalev
Jason blake/frolov/hejduk Koivu sergei
Latendresse Grab Higgins
Kostopo Chip Lapierre

Markov Komisarek
Redden Sreit
Hammer Gorges or O'byrne

x tra Bouillon. begin dandenault

Try to get tanguay, blake ,

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06-02-2008, 04:23 PM
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I Sign Wade redden

I trade O'byrne or gorges + prospect like maxwell weber yemelin locke to get Jason blake Frolov or Milan Hejduk

I go for


A Kost Pleck Kovalev
Jason blake/frolov/hejduk Koivu sergei
Latendresse Grab Higgins
Kostopo Chip Lapierre

Markov Komisarek
Redden Sreit
Hammer Gorges or O'byrne

x tra Bouillon. begin dandenault

Try to get tanguay, blake ,
JASON BLAKE?! Seriously?! Now I do believe he'll bounce back and have a better year, but at a $4M cap hit for the next 4 years and a guy who may be on the decline at age 33, I'd stay away.

And your package of O'Byrne or Gorges plus a b-level prospect will not land you Frolov or Hejduk. I like Frolov and all, but I have a fear that he would be much like Samsonov in Montreal. Just doesn't seem like the best style of player for us.

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06-02-2008, 06:42 PM
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JASON BLAKE?! Seriously?! Now I do believe he'll bounce back and have a better year, but at a $4M cap hit for the next 4 years and a guy who may be on the decline at age 33, I'd stay away.

And your package of O'Byrne or Gorges plus a b-level prospect will not land you Frolov or Hejduk. I like Frolov and all, but I have a fear that he would be much like Samsonov in Montreal. Just doesn't seem like the best style of player for us.
Surely you don't mean to say that Frolov and Samsonov play a similar style, do you? I mean even besides the 6 inches and 30 or so pounds, Frolov is a much better player along the boards, in the corners and especially in his own end. But that's probably not what you meant.

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