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06-02-2008, 06:47 PM
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San Jose-Columbus deal may be in works

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SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS(via Kukla's Korner): David Pollak reports an NHL source not tied to the Sharks or Columbus Blue Jackets suggests the two teams could be closing in on a deal. "San Jose would send Marleau and another player (unspecified) to the Blue Jackets for their first-round draft pick — 6th overall in the NHL entry draft later this month — and right wing Nikolai Zherdev', writes Pollak.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/...e-particulars/

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SPECTOR'S NOTE: If the Sharks do make this deal it's more for the prospect of a high pick in a deep draft and for cutting some cap space for as Pollak points out Zherdev's salary would be roughly half for next season than Marleau's $6 million-plus. Marleau's new two-year, $12.6 million contract with a no-trade clause is tough to move but I have to admit that Columbus would be a viable destination, as they have the cap space (over $20 million according to recent reports) and are desperately seeking a quality center for Rick Nash's line. Still, it's an expensive gamble, as Marleau's stats dropped significantly last season, but perhaps paired with Nash he'd regain his scoring form.







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SJ and CBJ deal

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/...e-particulars/


Marleau and Player X in exchange for Zherdev and the 6th.

This is being highly discussed in both respective forums.

So i present to the masses. Who do you think player X is, or who it should be, etc.


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we must have been making this thread at the same time...

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we must have been making this thread at the same time...
well cheers to that. Mods can we get a merge?


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Interesting...and it becomes more viable when you consider that the Jackets are supposed to be in a "win now" mode more than ever. I could definitely see them trading the sixth pick.

I'm not entirely sure why San Jose does it as this seems to be a step backward for a team mired in an endless search for the missing piece to propel them into the SCF. I don't see how Zherdev and the sixth pick helps them achieve that in the immediate future.

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Interesting...and it becomes more viable when you consider that the Jackets are supposed to be in a "win now" mode more than ever. I could definitely see them trading the sixth pick.

I'm not entirely sure why San Jose does it as this seems to be a step backward for a team mired in an endless search for the missing piece to propel them into the SCF. I don't see how Zherdev and the sixth pick helps them achieve that in the immediate future.
I still think that depending on that extra player going the way of columbus, San jose walks away from this deal the winner. They add a younger more dynamic scorer albeit with a questionable work eithic, but also a potential franchise defenceman through the draft.

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I think Marleau+Carle for Zherdev+6th is the most likely deal, and one that I think works out well for both teams.

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I'd call Player X Joe Pavelski. Pavelski's finding the back of the net and his performance in the playoffs warrants greatness yet to come, plus with losing Peca to free agency, as a #2 center, he'd do very well.

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I'm not entirely sure why San Jose does it as this seems to be a step backward for a team mired in an endless search for the missing piece to propel them into the SCF. I don't see how Zherdev and the sixth pick helps them achieve that in the immediate future.
The deal would likely free up the resources needed to sign Campbell to a long-term contract, so it does make some sense over the short-term if that is the case. Plus, Marleau's NTC kicks in soon and dealing him sooner rather than later ups the number of potential suitors and presumably what they can get back in return.

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I still think that depending on that extra player going the way of columbus, San jose walks away from this deal the winner. They add a younger more dynamic scorer albeit with a questionable work eithic, but also a potential franchise defenceman through the draft.
it all depends on what the + is, what if its Marleau+Cheechoo for Zherdev+6th. I dont know what others think but I think the second player needs to be decent because Marleau is not even close to Zherdev + 6th pick, although he is probably more valuable then Zherdev so the one for one deal doesnt work either.

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The 6th pick is a very good asset this summer (Schenn, Filatov, Myers, Wilson). I think it's a deal worth considering for San Jose. They could probably move Carle in the trade and get something else back and have some room to keep Campbell. I think a few dominos need to drop for a deal like this to happen. The first being Marleau willing to move on to Columbus.

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I don't know if I would do it if I were Columbus unless player X is someone special.

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The deal would likely free up the resources needed to sign Campbell to a long-term contract, so it does make some sense over the short-term if that is the case. Plus, Marleau's NTC kicks in soon and dealing him sooner rather than later ups the number of potential suitors and presumably what they can get back in return.
Plus, the Sharks don't have a pick until the 4th round, and DW loves his picks/trading them away. Knowing him, he may even trade the pick away to get more picks.

I also think the other player would be someone like Carle since he is an offensive defenseman that the Jackets need and is young. Plus, Carle makes about the same amount as Zherdev, so the Sharks would basically be dumping close to 6.5 million in salary that can be used directly to re-signing Campbell.

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The 6th pick is a very good asset this summer (Schenn, Filatov, Myers, Wilson). I think it's a deal worth considering for San Jose. They could probably move Carle in the trade and get something else back and have some room to keep Campbell. I think a few dominos need to drop for a deal like this to happen. The first being Marleau willing to move on to Columbus.
He wouldn't have a choice before July 1st, which is when his NTC starts.

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I'd call Player X Joe Pavelski. Pavelski's finding the back of the net and his performance in the playoffs warrants greatness yet to come, plus with losing Peca to free agency, as a #2 center, he'd do very well.
No, Player X is not Joe Pavelski. Who is going to center the Sharks second line if they trade Marleau and Pavelski? Marcel Goc? Jeremy Roenick? Joe Pavelski is the last player (obviously not taking into account Thornton and Nabokov) that would be dealt in a deal WITH Marleau.

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Marleau and Carle are probably the two players going to Columbus. It frees up space to sign Campbell, and Carle replaces Ron Hainsey in Columbus.

Some Jacket fans think Cheechoo or Michalek or even Thornton (lol), but Carle is the most likely guy to fill that spot.

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I would guess it's a defenseman, and that SJ is going to try to re-sign Campbell.

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Great deal for both sides if it is Carle imo, and I rarely say that on any deal

btw: Pollack is a pretty respectable guy from all of hist stuff I've read over the course of the season, which is why I'm more inclined to believe this rumor has an ounce of truth

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Marleau to Columbus makes a lot of sense. They have a need for a top line center and have plenty of cap space to absorb Marleau's salary. Not sure they'd be willing to move Zherdev and the 6th overall in the same deal unless it was a for an elite player, and after last season Marleau has some question marks.

I see Vancouver getting involved with talks for Marleau if he is indeed made available, although I doubt they can compete with Columbus.

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I am thinking Rivet. But it could be Carle or Vlasic....

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Player "X" had better be a good one or else Columbus gets killed. Zherdev was tremendous last year, and, IMO, is worth as much than Marleau to Columbus at this moment. Marleau's salary is huge.

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player x might be goc or carle or mclean

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Zherdev and a 6th overall is a pretty nice return, I'd think that Player X is someone worth something.

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I am thinking Rivet. But it could be Carle or Vlasic....
Carle, Rivet - possibly.

Vlasic - no way in hell. I cannot see the Sharks dealing Vlasic.

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I look at both sides of this and it looks a bit expensive for both sides. To be honest, Carle, Marleau makes Columbus a lot better than it makes San Jose worse. I think Columbus gives up a bit too much in this but there are very, very few centers available in the league and a lot of teams with doughnut lines looking (anaheim, vancouver, chicago, columbus etc.).

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