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06-03-2008, 06:58 AM
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I knew there would be a thread about this. And to one up Sykora, not only did I call that, but I nailed who would have started it, too. Sometimes I think Pasha/JOrts/RCallahan is just toying with us all and gets some sick, twisted joy out of tying up people's time and energy. If so, then well played sir, well played...

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06-03-2008, 07:47 AM
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No one remembers the 06 playoffs vs the Devils. Sykora was awful. Jagr got hurt and he just mailed it in against his former team , the Rangers rival.

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06-03-2008, 08:47 AM
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I remember....

and have no problem letting Sykora walk. He was streaky prior to joining the Pens, and has been streaky with the Pens. If he was on the Rangers this season there would not have been any change in the outcome of the Rangers' season.

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06-03-2008, 08:56 AM
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The only thing impressive about his game last night is that he "called" his OT winner. Otherwise, he played like crap most of the night, as he has all series. But everyone's so focused on Malkin sucking that the rest of the team gets a free pass.

I would have liked to have kept him around when he was here, but now that he's gone, best of luck to him.

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06-03-2008, 09:20 AM
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i knew coming on here there would be a thread about him
well of course...jorts is planning on starting a thread on every player that played in the nhl in the last two year....

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06-03-2008, 09:40 AM
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I liked Sykora even when he was a Devil. He looked good as a Ranger, but in all honesty: +Sykora = -Dawes.

He's a good player, but he would have jammed up the works on a team that is finally allowing youth to play. We do still have to look at the future sometimes.

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06-03-2008, 09:44 AM
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If we are going to use this series to whine about Sykora not being here I'll say that it's Samuelsson that I really wish we had kept. Much prefer him to Sykora. Why did we let him go? I don't remember.

By the way, I would trade any Ranger except Lundqvist for Franzen, including Staal, even though Staal could end up a real good one. Franzen is the best player on the ice except for perhaps Zetterberg.

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06-03-2008, 09:49 AM
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Let it go.


Hes on the Pens and hes not coming back.

I wouldve liked to have kept him too, but that wasnt the way the cookie crumbled.

No sense in getting all crazy about it.

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06-03-2008, 10:19 AM
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If we are going to use this series to whine about Sykora not being here I'll say that it's Samuelsson that I really wish we had kept. Much prefer him to Sykora. Why did we let him go? I don't remember.

By the way, I would trade any Ranger except Lundqvist for Franzen, including Staal, even though Staal could end up a real good one. Franzen is the best player on the ice except for perhaps Zetterberg.


Come on, are you serious?

sure Franzen has been great but you would trade our best d-man who is 21 and will only get better

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06-03-2008, 10:34 AM
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No thanks... Sykora doesn't create and the Rangers have enough guys who are decent shooters. Sykora just collects junk from time to time that Malkin and others create. He's excellent on breakaways but that is as far as it goes. No thanks. Rangers need creators at this point.

Franzen is a beast though. The guy can handle the puck and definitely creates offense. I probably wouldn't trade Staal for him although it would be tough.

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06-03-2008, 10:53 AM
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that was Sykora's first point in the series............

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06-03-2008, 11:02 AM
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Come on, are you serious?

sure Franzen has been great but you would trade our best d-man who is 21 and will only get better
After seeing that Franzen is 28 I take it back, as far as Staal. I would still have to think about it if it were offered. I still would take Franzen over any other Ranger even up, no question.

If he doesn't get hurt, I expect him to be a possible 50 goal scorer next year. When he is on the ice he totally dominates the play. And we are talking about ice that Crosby, Malkin, Zetterberg and Lidstrom are skating on.

They can't take the puck away from him. His offensive instincts are near perfect and he plays a very solid defensive game. To me, he is a borderline superstar right now.

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06-03-2008, 11:31 AM
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If we are going to use this series to whine about Sykora not being here I'll say that it's Samuelsson that I really wish we had kept. Much prefer him to Sykora. Why did we let him go? I don't remember.

By the way, I would trade any Ranger except Lundqvist for Franzen, including Staal, even though Staal could end up a real good one. Franzen is the best player on the ice except for perhaps Zetterberg.
I totally agree. On the other hand, can you believe how good he became? He was a defensive specialist when he was a Ranger, then went to Sweden during the lockout and discovered the net!

I can't think of any one player whom a year's break from the NHL helped more.

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06-03-2008, 11:56 AM
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After seeing that Franzen is 28 I take it back, as far as Staal. I would still have to think about it if it were offered. I still would take Franzen over any other Ranger even up, no question.

If he doesn't get hurt, I expect him to be a possible 50 goal scorer next year. When he is on the ice he totally dominates the play. And we are talking about ice that Crosby, Malkin, Zetterberg and Lidstrom are skating on.

They can't take the puck away from him. His offensive instincts are near perfect and he plays a very solid defensive game. To me, he is a borderline superstar right now.
so ud deal dubinsky for franzen not sure i would. id move tyutin in a deal for frazen though

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06-03-2008, 12:01 PM
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But if you look at his body of work, he definitely warranted another contracts. Especially since we knew it wouldnt have costed us more than 2-2.5 million. For that kind of production, its a frigging bargain.
It depends WHEN you're talking about.

When his contract expired, an upgrade was appropriate at the time and I don't think anyone was upset that Sather chose Shanahan instead.

This year, it's fair to question whether you make an offer to Sykora after signing Gomez, especially in light of the contract that Shanahan ultimately got. Maybe he was on Sather's radar and just got lost in the whirlwind of the 2 other major signings.

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06-03-2008, 12:03 PM
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I was a big fan...

of Samuelsson. Decent offensively and good defensively and a good PKer. Was disappointed he didn't stick with the organization. Glad to see him doing well - he was dogging it a bit on that shift on which the game-tying goal was scored last night - he actually looked either exhausted or was getting weak knees as a result of the countdown to the Cup. Other than that, he's played a solid playoffs.

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06-03-2008, 12:06 PM
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Adam Hall did not statistically produce squat. Nor did the vast majority of the players who pop up in threads like this. Skykora however did. He was on pace for a 33 goal, 31 assist season. Better than Drury put up this year, and he would have been paid about 1/3rd the amount.

Dont confuse regretting bringing him back, with thinking that having him would have made a difference. I for one merely think that he would have been a player who should have been brought back. I dont think he would have been a difference maker this season, but I think his cap hit, coupled with his productivity, and importance during shootout made signing him a no brainer. I still dont understand why he wasnt brought back.
I'm sorry...I'm calling BS on this. Posting Sykora's numbers and then extrapolating season numbers doesn't work for Petr. Sykora is the closest thing to a modern day Brian "Mr. October" Savage. Petr has always scored at above career rates whenever he was with a new team. Hell, read the Edmonton boards for his first month and you would of thought that they signed Jesus himself (he's on pace for 50+ goals!!!). His totals this year are even Anson Carter-esque (vancouver) if you consider him riding shotgun with arguably the league's MVP.

The Rangers already had Martin Straka (who was outproducing Sykora in addition to other tools like the PK and PP point usage).

The reason the Rangers let Sykora go was because he didn't create anything. He wasn't leadership, he wasn't grit, he wasn't puck possestion, he was a shooter (and a mid-tier one at best). Unlike Drury where his game doesn't change when the intensity rises and checking becomes tighter, Petr Sykora disappeared. And after an a self proclaimed awful night last night, a PP goal doesn't change my assessment of him.

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06-03-2008, 12:06 PM
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True MJ..

Sykora at $2.5MM may've been a better option than what Shanny ultimately got, which includes dead cap space for '08/'09. Valuing those intangibles are tough (i.e., was he an influence on guys like Staal, Dawes, Cally and Dubi? Was he a calming influence on Avery? And conversely, would Sykora have been a 30+ goal scorer with Gomez on a second line and would Prucha had more PP ice time and have been more effective, etc.). Who knows, but $2.5MM is actually an extremely reasonable rate for him.

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so ud deal dubinsky for franzen not sure i would. id move tyutin in a deal for frazen though
I'd trade Dubinsky in a heartbeat for Franzen and I like Dubinsky's game a lot. Franzen is the total package, possibly on the brink of greatness. Over his last 50 or so games he is the best goal scorer in the entire NHL.

Good to hear that you would sacrifice Tyutin to acquire one of the most dominant players in today's NHL.

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of Samuelsson. Decent offensively and good defensively and a good PKer. Was disappointed he didn't stick with the organization. Glad to see him doing well - he was dogging it a bit on that shift on which the game-tying goal was scored last night - he actually looked either exhausted or was getting weak knees as a result of the countdown to the Cup. Other than that, he's played a solid playoffs.
him and andres johansson was our bright spots when we had them. i wonder why AJ is not in the NHL anymore, im sure alot of teams can use a solid 3rd liner with smarts and speed.

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I'd trade Dubinsky in a heartbeat for Franzen and I like Dubinsky's game a lot. Franzen is the total package, possibly on the brink of greatness. Over his last 50 or so games he is the best goal scorer in the entire NHL.

Good to hear that you would sacrifice Tyutin to acquire one of the most dominant players in today's NHL.
i dont think much of tyutin, he reminds me of a better version of malakhov but not that dumb of a player. he tries but it just seems at times he pinches at the wrong times. id love if sather moved tyutin prucha and our first to move up to 10-15 if we can.

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06-03-2008, 12:14 PM
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Because he wasnt very damn good for us? Just like Kovalev.. Savard... Dupuis even...

We gonna have a thread EVERY TIME an ex Ranger does something halfway decent?

Make a Zidlicky thread next.

I am struggling to comprehend how you can assess a fit after 6 games?!
Gomez stank for 20 games before he found himself. only he was not expandable we were in for way too much money...so we left him to find himself.

Dupuis, Zidlicky and many others are not accorded the same luxury

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I'd trade Dubinsky in a heartbeat for Franzen and I like Dubinsky's game a lot. Franzen is the total package, possibly on the brink of greatness. Over his last 50 or so games he is the best goal scorer in the entire NHL.

Good to hear that you would sacrifice Tyutin to acquire one of the most dominant players in today's NHL.

i wouldn't trade Dubinsky either.

i want to see Dubinsky and Staal playing for the Rangers for a very long time. i do agree that Franzen is a great player but i wouldn't trade either of the two mentioned above.

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I coulda swore when he left, Sather tried to resign him, but Sykora felt he was a legitimate 1st line player, and didn't want to play on a 2nd line as he would have continued to do here...so he chose to leave. those are the news stories i remember reading at the time.

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If we are going to use this series to whine about Sykora not being here I'll say that it's Samuelsson that I really wish we had kept. Much prefer him to Sykora. Why did we let him go? I don't remember.

By the way, I would trade any Ranger except Lundqvist for Franzen, including Staal, even though Staal could end up a real good one. Franzen is the best player on the ice except for perhaps Zetterberg.
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