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06-04-2008, 11:04 AM
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Given the conditions set forth above, I'd gamble on a project with the last name of Staal.
As would I.

Thats why i mentioned his name.

I would NOT take him in the first round.

But if we are talking about trading down to get back a 2nd second round pick...

If Staal is on the board when we pick, i take him. Definitely. Simply because the potential is there.

But i think it is going to take longer for him to develop then it took Jordan and Eric (only mentioning the two brothers that are forwards, as forwards develop quicker then defenseman... Marc is just a freak of nature).


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06-04-2008, 11:14 AM
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Not sold on Toews at all.

He is nothing like his brother.

IMO i would stay away from Toews.

Stay away from guys with the family bloodlines.

The only reason i mention Staal is because he is VERY young and had a decently solid season based on his age. But he is still a project IMO.

EDIT: A project that we will probably not have to worry about by the time he is ready for the AHL. I should note.
but that fits toews completely. he was the leading scorer on his team as a junior and played with a broken wrist. he has tons of potential

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06-04-2008, 11:19 AM
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One things for sure if we do indeed trade down, I'm not gonna be happy if they come out of nowhere with a Lafleur type of pick

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06-04-2008, 11:27 AM
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Would you give LA the 20th pick for the 28th and 47th?
I would.

Take Staal or Petrov at #28. Tikhonov, Hayes, Livingston, Stone, Wudrick, Paquette, Brittain - either one of those at #47.

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06-04-2008, 11:37 AM
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As would I.

Thats why i mentioned his name.

I would NOT take him in the first round.

But if we are talking about trading down to get back a 2nd second round pick...

If Staal is on the board when we pick, i take him. Definitely. Simply because the potential is there.

But i think it is going to take longer for him to develop then it took Jordan and Eric (only mentioning the two brothers that are forwards, as forwards develop quicker then defenseman... Marc is just a freak of nature).


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Jared is the youngest, and its not too uncommon for the youngest to develop later than his brothers.

In Jared, I see a kid whos seen alot through his brothers. Looks like he's handled the high expectations well so far. He had a good, not great season but stood out on a mediocre team. He's 18 in late August, still plenty of time to assert himself and show what he's capable of.

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06-04-2008, 11:42 AM
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I would.

Take Staal or Petrov at #28. Tikhonov, Hayes, Livingston, Stone, Wudrick, Paquette, Brittain - either one of those at #47.
Which leaves the Rangers to take another of that group at #54.

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I would.

Take Staal or Petrov at #28. Tikhonov, Hayes, Livingston, Stone, Wudrick, Paquette, Brittain - either one of those at #47.
Any thoughts on Adam Comrie?

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Any thoughts on Adam Comrie?
I heard he was a beast at the combine. Wouldn't mind him in the 3rd round at all, but he may be gone by then.

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06-04-2008, 12:04 PM
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Any thoughts on Adam Comrie?
Big guy who's still developing. He needs much better leg strength for a player his size. Looked lost in Saginaws 4 game exit from the OHL playoffs.

Not too high on this guy.

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Big guy who's still developing. He needs much better leg strength for a player his size. Looked lost in Saginaws 4 game exit from the OHL playoffs.

Not too high on this guy.

Not worth a 2nd round pick, then?

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06-04-2008, 12:21 PM
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Not worth a 2nd round pick, then?
He's this years version of Nigel Williams, you either like him or you don't.

Put it this way, I think he'll go in round 2 but I hope its not the NYR doing the drafting

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06-04-2008, 02:50 PM
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Petrov is certainly someone to stop and think about. If you've got time to wait and see and are a winning team, four years seems like a blip on the radar.

If you're a so/so team and you're looking for results (good or bad) on a faster timetable, waiting for Petrov might seem like forever.
I agree. Petrov will be the better player in 6 years than many picked around him in the draft. He is my favorite forward "projected" to be still available at pick # 20.

I still believe there will be a player or two projected to go much higher that will be available when we pick. This draft is wide open and every team probably has drastically different draft boards after the top 5-6 picks.

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06-04-2008, 03:33 PM
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I see a lot of talk about trading down, is there any possibility Slats would try to trade up to get one of Doughty, Bogosian, Schenn or Pietranglo?

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I see a lot of talk about trading down, is there any possibility Slats would try to trade up to get one of Doughty, Bogosian, Schenn or Pietranglo?
in my opinion, no, unless you want to trade away tuts and dubi....plus our first, and maybe even more.

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I see a lot of talk about trading down, is there any possibility Slats would try to trade up to get one of Doughty, Bogosian, Schenn or Pietranglo?
it would take way too much

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06-04-2008, 05:21 PM
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If we trade down, with LA, i would rather get their #28 and #32, rather then their #48.

So, how about...


#20 + Prucha + #75 for #28 + #32 + #48


That would give us 1 first round pick and 3 second round picks. We originally have 2 third round picks (one of which was acquired from Carolina).

And would give LA 2 first round picks and 4 third round picks and Prucha (who may not have much of a future with the Rangers).


Or is that not enough for the #32 pick?

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06-04-2008, 05:23 PM
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In an ideal world:

Scenario 1:

Stay at 20, take Carlson or Tedneby


Scenario 2:

Trade 20(+??) for 28/32 and 47 and take:
28/32 - Livingston/O'Dell/Ness
47 - Any of the above/Fienhange/Comrie/Paquette/Lalonde/Goloubef
50 - Any of the above/Jokenin/Petrov/Staal/Hayes

I'm telling you getting 2-3 second rounders is a shrewd move in this draft.

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06-04-2008, 05:39 PM
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In an ideal world:

Scenario 1:

Stay at 20, take Carlson or Tedneby


Scenario 2:

Trade 20(+??) for 28/32 and 47 and take:
28/32 - Livingston/O'Dell/Ness
47 - Any of the above/Fienhange/Comrie/Paquette/Lalonde/Goloubef
50 - Any of the above/Jokenin/Petrov/Staal/Hayes

I'm telling you getting 2-3 second rounders is a shrewd move in this draft.
Isn't it the #48 pick? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NHL_Entry_Draft

I'd like:

#28 - Ness
#32 - Gustafsson
#48 - Staal
#51 - Livingston/Burlon

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06-04-2008, 06:05 PM
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in my opinion, no, unless you want to trade away tuts and dubi....plus our first, and maybe even more.
Interesting.

Wouldn't any one of those guys potentially be better than Tyutin though? Not advocating trading Dubi -- though I have from time to time; but isn't Atlanta in need of a solid center for Kovalchuk? Or would they be more inclined to land another top-pairing d-man to play with Enstrom.

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06-04-2008, 06:08 PM
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Interesting.

Wouldn't any one of those guys potentially be better than Tyutin though? Not advocating trading Dubi -- though I have from time to time; but isn't Atlanta in need of a solid center for Kovalchuk? Or would they be more inclined to land another top-pairing d-man to play with Enstrom.
highlighted the only 3 words that matter.

and potential is un-proven talent....i take the proven talent....

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I would.

Take Staal or Petrov at #28. Tikhonov, Hayes, Livingston, Stone, Wudrick, Paquette, Brittain - either one of those at #47.

You like Hayes? I'm not a fan of him at all just don't see the work ethic there to become the player he should have.

Love Livingston though, I can't see him getting past the 2nd round.

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06-04-2008, 08:16 PM
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If we trade down, with LA, i would rather get their #28 and #32, rather then their #48.

So, how about...


#20 + Prucha + #75 for #28 + #32 + #48


That would give us 1 first round pick and 3 second round picks. We originally have 2 third round picks (one of which was acquired from Carolina).

And would give LA 2 first round picks and 4 third round picks and Prucha (who may not have much of a future with the Rangers).


Or is that not enough for the #32 pick?
rangers dont have 2 3rds....LA already has theirs, they have carolinas....i would like to get those two picks, but i wouldnt giv up another pick for it....although if a team would like prucha i would do that deal in a heartbeat....same with backman and hollweg

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If we could get a 4th back for Backman and Hollweg I'd be a happy man. Who knows what that pick can turn into?

With Shanahan and Straka unlikely to be back next year, I'm very hesitant to move Prucha. Give him some minutes on Gomez's wing and see what happens. If he ***** the bed again, trade him at next year's deadline. Unless we are getting nothing short of a bonafide sniper for Gomez in return, trading Prucha would be a mistake at this point in time.

As for the draft picks, I would support trading down if it means the Rangers get another 2nd and a late 1st/early 2nd in return. However, if Carlson, Teubert, or Tedenby are on the board at 20, use the pick on one of them.

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06-04-2008, 10:07 PM
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rangers dont have 2 3rds....LA already has theirs, they have carolinas....i would like to get those two picks, but i wouldnt giv up another pick for it....although if a team would like prucha i would do that deal in a heartbeat....same with backman and hollweg
Maybe I'm missing something, but picks 75 and 81 are in the third round.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NHL_Entry_Draft

LA gets a compensatory 3rd from us. Does that mean pick #75 goes to the Kings?


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highlighted the only 3 words that matter.

and potential is un-proven talent....i take the proven talent....
Well I don't feel the same way about Tyutin that most do, so I'd probably gamble on the talent.

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