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06-04-2008, 05:05 PM
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LMFAO I almost died XD

Anyway if Nik Filatov can TOP Locke I wouldn't mind trading him.

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06-04-2008, 05:09 PM
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Just to shift gears a little here...what do you think of trading up? Soldat has told us TT is crazy about Filatov. What if he slides a little, THN Draft Preview has Columbus trying to deal their pick (6th overall) for immediate help
I would love to move up to draft one of the high profile players...but you know these teams are going to be asking for the moon!

Who do we have that you would want to give up that could really help Columbus immediatly?? They would ask for the usual suspects, Chris Higgins, Mike Komisarek, Tomas Plekanec, Sergei Kostitsyn or Andrei Kostitsyn.

Now in reality, would you like to give up one of those players??

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06-04-2008, 05:12 PM
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No not in my wildest dreams (they get pretty wild.....Koivu+1st for Ovechkin... /drool) anyway. I'd give up prospects we can afford to loose.

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06-04-2008, 05:14 PM
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And who did you have in mind? Valentenko+Locke+3rd for 1st?
Locke? You're kidding, right?

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You can, though. Our D depth is ridiculous. Our left wing depth is shallow, our right wing depth is very shallow and our center depth is strong but with no-one who is a stand out, potential top 6 center. After drafting a defenceman in our last two 1st Rounders, its time to draft something else.
I understand the depth is good at defence, but there still isn't any potential top pairing guys except for McDonagh. Valentenko and Carle are nothing special, #4 d-men at most. Subban and Weber are offensive specialists, not guys you can play 25 mins a game and the jury is still out on Fischer. Plus with the depth being good you can take a chance on a guy like Ness who can be a homerun.

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I thnik Valentenko is going to surprise many with what he will eventually bring to this team.

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Latendresse + O'byrne ?

Then again, I dont know exactly how good this kid is, but if he has star potential like some say....

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I understand the depth is good at defence, but there still isn't any potential top pairing guys except for McDonagh. Valentenko and Carle are nothing special, #4 d-men at most. Subban and Weber are offensive specialists, not guys you can play 25 mins a game and the jury is still out on Fischer. Plus with the depth being good you can take a chance on a guy like Ness who can be a homerun.
Yes, exactly.

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06-04-2008, 06:11 PM
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Quick question, why are so many high on Deschamps? And why are so many people scared he'll be gone? He's not bad, but I don't see the reason to get ultra-excited about him and I certainly don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he's no longer there at 25.

Anyways, it'll be an interesting draft. Here's the direction I could see us going if we don't trade, based on need and not BPA because I'm not going to do a whole mock draft. But based on need and where they might go, my shot in the dark is this:

1st-25th overall- Not a huge favourite, though I like Eberle. I just want a skilled forward: Tedenby (No chance) Jordan Eberle (cross fingers) Dalpe/Trivino/Ennis (Maybe worth trading down for.)

2nd-56th overall- Brandon Burlon maybe? I say either trade up and get that great early 2nd round talent, or wait it out and take the BPA.

3rd-86th overall- LW Geordie Wudrick?

4th-116th overall- C-Joel Champagne?

7th-206th overall- I'd take an overager or a project goalie.

Thoughts: At first I though Eberle was going to be top 20 no question, but there are scouting reports and mock drafts that put him around where we pick so who knows. But there are a lot of options with that pick. If no one really stands out I wouldn't be opposed to trading down, getting maybe a pick in the early 2nd and 4th. Say give no.25 for no.35-40 and no.100-115. I'm some GM would be willing to make that trade.

That said, size at center is a huge organizational need, so if Colborne or Niemisz are still there at no.25, maybe TT is content with that. Then there's Stefanovich and Deschamps who have the Q connections. But for my money, all those small skilled guys are worth taking a chance on this year. Better yet, we may be able to trade down to early 2nd, get a Dalpe/Trivino/Ennis and then get some extra depth with another a 3rd or a 4th pick.

Who knows really it's a very hard draft to predict and very hard to tell which way this team is going. For my money though, I say forget size and get some damn skilled players early on. Get size and grinders in the later rounds. I just threw out Champagne and Wudrick out there. I don't know where they'll go, but they're intriguing guys. I know more about Champagne but as with all big men, that skating needs to improve.

Also, what's the word on this Jokinen kid? Haven't seen him play, nor have I heard much about him.

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06-04-2008, 06:22 PM
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Quick question, why are so many high on Deschamps? And why are so many people scared he'll be gone? He's not bad, but I don't see the reason to get ultra-excited about him and I certainly don't think it's a foregone conclusion that he's no longer there at 25.

Anyways, it'll be an interesting draft. Here's the direction I could see us going if we don't trade, based on need and not BPA because I'm not going to do a whole mock draft. But based on need and where they might go, my shot in the dark is this:

1st-25th overall- Not a huge favourite, though I like Eberle. I just want a skilled forward: Tedenby (No chance) Jordan Eberle (cross fingers) Dalpe/Trivino/Ennis (Maybe worth trading down for.)

2nd-56th overall- Brandon Burlon maybe? I say either trade up and get that great early 2nd round talent, or wait it out and take the BPA.

Also, what's the word on this Jokinen kid? Haven't seen him play, nor have I heard much about him.
Somebody saw Burlon's combine results.

Aside from what his own coach says, I haven't read anything on Jokinen that makes me say 'wow'! Comparing him to Langenbrunner has to be taken with a grain of salt.

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Also, what's the word on this Jokinen kid? Haven't seen him play, nor have I heard much about him.
Google does wonders..

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06-04-2008, 06:44 PM
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Somebody saw Burlon's combine results.

Aside from what his own coach says, I haven't read anything on Jokinen that makes me say 'wow'! Comparing him to Langenbrunner has to be taken with a grain of salt.
Yeah problem is if he's already around 40-50ish and he's getting a lot of attention, it's probably unrealistic to expect him fall to 56 for us. Still I think a skilled forward in the first round and a dman like Burlon in the 2nd would be make for a pretty solid draft.

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Google does wonders..
Was kind of hoping for some first hand accounts and opinions on the kid but I will check out this google thing.

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I won't say who the Habs will pick but I'll tell you who they won't pick:

A European or someone from the OHL. It's always someone from the lesser scouted leagues in NA or a player that's been injured.

On that note is there anyone slipping in the rankings due to injury?

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06-04-2008, 08:59 PM
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if we get Colborne and Jokinen at the draft I will be really happy.
I would be ecstatic.... but it looks like Jokinen is moving up and won't be around when we pick in the second... and theres a good chance Colborne goes before we pick in the first.

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Well I hope we trade down with Phoenix, for example, and try and grab some more 2nd round picks (Phoenix have 4 !)

But if we stay the same...

25th Greg Nemisz or Nicolas Deschamps

56th James Livingston or Danick Paquette or Nick Larson or Philip McRae

86th David Ullstrom or Patrice Cormier or Ian Schultz or Joel Champagne

116th Zack Smith or Marshall Everson or Chad Suer

206th no friggin idea...

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I wouldn't mind if we got either Jokinen, Nemisz, or Eberle with our 1st pick.

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Jokinen isn't a first rounder. Simon Gagne isn't a small man himself.

I'd be shocked if he went 15th -20th. If he goes late in the first, I'll be a bit surprised, but not as much.

prepared to be shocked and/or surprised when he is picked around these spots then. Really, it shouldnt come as a great shock to you seeing as he is being seen as a player going to be drafted around that time in most mock drafts.
Those mock drafts with people who have nothing but complaints in theres.

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No one wants the Belarussian? Stefanovich.
I want him, but he is a project forward, so it's a gamble, but his upside is worth. Hell, even is downside is worth it.

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Tedenby
He's small. Why do we need him again? Look at our organization and where do we need small people?

At best, Deschamps is a late 1st (23rd and up.) to an early 2nd rounder.)

Filatov - The Islander will take him at 5th, so get Phoenix's pick doesn't help us get him.

I'd rather trade our first and some prospect/roster players to get good, high second round picks. To grab: Deschamp, Stefanovich, Maxim Sauve, Patrice Cormier, possibly Jokinen. As for 3rd round, Jimmy Hayes and 4th, Jaroslav Janus. Cause, I did go back and look at his Save% and the other goalie on the team. Looks like Janus faced 40+ shots a game. The other goalie has an almost 6.00 GAA.

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I won't say who the Habs will pick but I'll tell you who they won't pick:

A European or someone from the OHL. It's always someone from the lesser scouted leagues in NA or a player that's been injured.

On that note is there anyone slipping in the rankings due to injury?

That D-man from a very bad junior team. I think it's Mitch Gaulton.

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In trying to keep it simple, I'd just like to see us take an OHLer high for a change.

I like the idea some have floated of Livingston for Round Two. I've seen him enough to be sold. Smart and gutsy, that kid drives to the net, and his speed is 'okay' but also showing improvement. He could have a Gary Roberts-type pro career.

Also, really hope we don't bother with anyone who comes with the label "skating needs work."

The Memorial Cup and Stanley Cup playoffs this year really showed how ineffective plodders can be in today's game.


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Filatov - The Islander will take him at 5th, so get Phoenix's pick doesn't help us get him.
It's not a big problem for me. If we can't get Filatov, we can get one of Schenn or Pietrangelo... Not too bad... The real problem is what want Colombus. I say, at least, our 1st and Plekanec and a good D prospect, such as Valentenko or O'byrne. Would you mind to give this and more for a top-10 pick with the Habs 1 or 2 players to be real strong SC contenders?

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Well I hope we trade down with Phoenix, for example, and try and grab some more 2nd round picks (Phoenix have 4 !)

But if we stay the same...

25th Greg Nemisz or Nicolas Deschamps

56th James Livingston or Danick Paquette or Nick Larson or Philip McRae

86th David Ullstrom or Patrice Cormier or Ian Schultz or Joel Champagne

116th Zack Smith or Marshall Everson or Chad Suer

206th no friggin idea...
I like your second rounders. I would like to come away with one of those four, or Luke Adam, if he's available.

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They got to go out and get Kyle Beach. I can see him and Max Pac playing on the same line in a few years. Besides, his favourite NHL team is Montreal, he's big and mean, just what the doctor ordered for this team.

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1st round : Nicolas Deschamps
2nd round : Yann Sauvé
3rd round : Jakob Lagacé
4th round : Joël Champagne

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Corey Trivino has similar stats, size and plays the same position as Riley Nash last year. Both late 1st round junior A draft picks last year (Nash and Brendan Smith) have surpassed expectations in their first college seasons. I'd love to see the Habs dip into that talent pool, which seems to be underrated recently.

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Would anyone be ready to pay the big prize for the first choice?

Something like Pleky (or Higgy, but Tampa needs a second center)+Georges or O'byrn (maybe both) + First choice + 2nd + skilled prospect (Maxpac or Mcdo)? (In fact you could have to put more on the table, like Chip or Grabovsky or Lapierre, or we could have to put less, you never know what's the deal with those GM's)

Just a question, to know if people would be disapointed if we sacrifice a bit of our team to hit the jackpot, the players included in the deal could be completely different.

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