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06-03-2008, 06:28 AM
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I think the habs will lose Streit. Some GM out there will only see his points and offer him 4 mil or maybe 4-3-3 for 3 years and I just can't blame Streit for asking for for this. He has never made big money and this is his one and only chance to cash in and secure his money future.
Streit has been the leagues best spare part for the Habs at 600k but Gainey can't pay him more then 1.5-2 mil as that great spare part.
If only someone would take Dandy off our hands, maybe we could afford to give him an extra Mil or so.

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06-03-2008, 07:33 AM
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He still has a year left at 1.8 andthen he is a RFA, I don't think he is much of a worry.
Exact same situation as Higgins... So why one and not the other?

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06-03-2008, 07:48 AM
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Is it just me, or is it funny that BG would have traded Higgins, but now he wants to lock him up?
Do we know he would have?

All we know for sure is he didn't.

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06-03-2008, 08:13 AM
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If only someone would take Dandy off our hands, maybe we could afford to give him an extra Mil or so.
Sadly I think we're gonna be stuck with Dandy. I also agree with RC51 that Streit will be signed to a ridiculous offer from another team.

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06-03-2008, 08:15 AM
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Sadly I think we're gonna be stuck with Dandy. I also agree with RC51 that Streit will be signed to a ridiculous offer from another team.
He can't. It's just wasted cap space...

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06-03-2008, 08:19 AM
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He can't. It's just wasted cap space...
I thought it was a waste of cap space signing him in the first place. He's got one year left on his contract @1.8 mil I think, so unless they decide to buy him out/ship him to Hamilton. I think we're stuck with him for the year.

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06-03-2008, 08:27 AM
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It depends on how much he signs for per season.

However, this may be adjusted based on the salary cap. So add whatever percentage the cap has gone up since the first year to this to find the current ranges.
it will be higher for the ranges you posted given penner's salary was something like 4.5 mil and the ducks received a 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the draft for not matching the offer sheet.

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06-03-2008, 08:32 AM
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Rumours was during the Hossa saga before the deadline.

Hossa for Higgins. Well I would do it...
I thought it was Ryder, Lapierre, Obyrne (or Grabo?) and a pick then Wadell asked for Higgins too after Pittsburgh's offer, which Gainey denied.

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06-03-2008, 08:41 AM
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I thought it was Ryder, Lapierre, Obyrne (or Grabo?) and a pick then Wadell asked for Higgins too after Pittsburgh's offer, which Gainey denied.
Wasn't there also a rumour of Higgins + picks for Sundin at one point?

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06-03-2008, 08:42 AM
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Wasn't there also a rumour of Higgins + picks for Sundin at one point?
The one I read most often was Higgins + Grabo + Prospect + 1st = Sundin.

But who knows.

...and it's not like Gainey wants to trade Higgins. You have to give up good players to get them. Plain and simple. Teams wanted Higgins this spring.


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06-03-2008, 09:46 AM
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I would give 3-3.5 millions per years for 5-6 years to lock him for a long term plan. He might not worth the 3-3.5 millions so far, but will worth more in 2-3 years.

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06-03-2008, 10:56 AM
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I would give 3-3.5 millions per years for 5-6 years to lock him for a long term plan. He might not worth the 3-3.5 millions so far, but will worth more in 2-3 years.
He'll probably be looking for a 2-3 years contract in order to profit from his UFA status afterward. Or maybe 4 years, just to synchronize his UFA satus with his bro... I have a feeling those 2 will always be on the same team.

No chance in hell he'll sign a 5-6 years deal

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06-03-2008, 11:08 AM
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im looking foward to a great offseason from gainey
i hope he ditches dandenault, brisebois, smolinski, ryder, begin, streit

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06-03-2008, 11:21 AM
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He'll probably be looking for a 2-3 years contract in order to profit from his UFA status afterward. Or maybe 4 years, just to synchronize his UFA satus with his bro... I have a feeling those 2 will always be on the same team.

No chance in hell he'll sign a 5-6 years deal
Didn't know his agent frequented these boards.

Plenty of guys in his spot are signing long term deals.

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im looking foward to a great offseason from gainey
i hope he ditches dandenault, brisebois, smolinski, ryder, begin, streit
Begin's a good guy to keep around as a 13th. Rather him in the pressbox then a 20yo. Also he's got the most jump on the team. Though it only lasts 10 games or so. He could be very useful compared to a Dandy when used sparingly. At least he's got a skill.

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06-03-2008, 11:36 AM
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I'd have no problem offering Andrei $12M over 4 years. I'd up to $3.5M per year if he'll sign longer. I think it's clear he and his bro are a big part of our future offense, so no time better than now to lock them up.

I also think now is a great time to try to lock up both Higgins and Komi, cause I feel their value will only increase after another season.

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06-03-2008, 11:46 AM
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Begin's a good guy to keep around as a 13th. Rather him in the pressbox then a 20yo. Also he's got the most jump on the team. Though it only lasts 10 games or so. He could be very useful compared to a Dandy when used sparingly. At least he's got a skill.
yeah but he is the moron that ****ed our season two times in a row

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06-03-2008, 11:51 AM
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Didn't know his agent frequented these boards.

Plenty of guys in his spot are signing long term deals.
If I was his agent I wouldn't disuss details with you

You might be right about other guys signing long term deals, but all those long term RFA's were signed for BIG BIG MONEY... We're talking 3 to 3.5 millions. Give the guy 5-6 millions and sure, he'll sign 15 years if you want...

All I'm saying is this, when a player is signing while RFA he's facing this choice :

1- Sign Short term for immediate player value (in this case 3 to 3.5 millions for very promising second line winger)

2- Sign longer term for more than immediate value, but maybe less than future value (i.e 4.5-5 millions for AKos, which is the range for a 35 goal scorer on the first line, but less than superstar goal scorers, which he might become later on)

All those who signed long term were already giving signs of superstardom (Vanek, DiPietro) and signed contracts as such, or were grossly overrated by the GM (Hartnell).

BTW, this is a disussion about player contracts and fan opinions on player values, negotiations, team interests, etc. If everytime someone emits an opinion you tell them "didn't know you were the agent" or anyother wise crack, what's the point of the thread?

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BTW, this is a disussion about player contracts and fan opinions on player values, negotiations, team interests, etc. If everytime someone emits an opinion you tell them "didn't know you were the agent" or anyother wise crack, what's the point of the thread?
Well, I wisecracked because you didn't say "I don't think," or whatever, you said he won't, as if it was a known fact.

Anyway, no point arguing grammar. I generally agree with your logic, give or take a few minor points.

Basically, we can get him at one price to free agency, then the cost per year goes up. That's generally established free agency logic.

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He also said:

Given Andrei contribution to the team, he is a top priority among RFA.

Gainey said he would contact UFAs in the next two weeks: Streit, Smolinski, Ryder and Brisebois.

About Streit: Mark has given a specific contribution to the team this year. He has done a lot of points in PP. Question is to evaluate if we have enough space in salary cap. Author of the article goes on to say that Mark would probably accept to have a lower salary if he wants to stay with the Habs. Also as of Monday, Pat Brisson had no communication from Montreal.

They are evaluating the possbility to give long term contract to Komisarek and Higgins this year.

The Habs are looking at Koivu and Kovalev who are going for the last year of their contract.

BG: We are building a plan for next year and the following ones. Decisions in the next few months will have long term impact.

Nothing much about the GM meeting. Injuries nature will be kept a secret during playoffs.
Reading this makes me happy.

I fully agree with the approach.

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Komi will replace Koivu as Captain K when he retires. I see a 6-7 yrs deal for Komi @ 3.5-4.5m per.. assuming he doesn't want to ditch us for the NYI eventually. :p

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Since Gainey has said nothing about Plekanec's new contract, but has indicated that negotiation of contract extensions for Higgins and Komisarek is one priority move this summer...

Could it indicate that rumour surfaced at some point over the season that Gainey has already offered long term deal to Plekanec is actually true and parties are just waiting for July 1st so that they can announce the deal?

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We are forgetting that when Bob Gainey says 'long term deal' he means 3-4 years. I honestly don't see Gainey handing out any contracts longer than 4 years.

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We are forgetting that when Bob Gainey says 'long term deal' he means 3-4 years. I honestly don't see Gainey handing out any contracts longer than 4 years.
I could see this change, he did offered 7 years to Brière.

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I could see this change, he did offered 7 years to Brière.

He was forced to anti up the term if he wanted a shot at the player (Briere). In the case of Higgns, Komisarek, and Kostitsyn he won't be forced to offer such long terms.

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