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06-09-2008, 01:33 PM
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Who has taken a home-town discount?

With all this frenzied talk of players in Pittsburgh taking hometown discounts, I would like to find out who has taken hometown discounts since the lockout.

This could be highly debated, as not everyone agrees as to what a home-town discount is. But lets make a list of every player since the lockout to take a discount for one reason or another:

Ps: when I say took a discount, I mean at the time of signing. My example is Darcy Tucker, 31, 4 year extension @ $3 million a year. At the time, it seemed like he could have gotten $1 million a year more.

Who are your examples?

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With all this frenzied talk of players in Pittsburgh taking hometown discounts, I would like to find out who has taken hometown discounts since the lockout.

This could be highly debated, as not everyone agrees as to what a home-town discount is. But lets make a list of every player since the lockout to take a discount for one reason or another:

Ps: when I say took a discount, I mean at the time of signing. My example is Darcy Tucker, 31, 4 year extension @ $3 million a year. At the time, it seemed like he could have gotten $1 million a year more.

Who are your examples?
Robyn Regher and Jarome Iginla took discounts to stay with the Flames.

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Joe Thornton.

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With all this frenzied talk of players in Pittsburgh taking hometown discounts, I would like to find out who has taken hometown discounts since the lockout.

This could be highly debated, as not everyone agrees as to what a home-town discount is. But lets make a list of every player since the lockout to take a discount for one reason or another:

Ps: when I say took a discount, I mean at the time of signing. My example is Darcy Tucker, 31, 4 year extension @ $3 million a year. At the time, it seemed like he could have gotten $1 million a year more.

Who are your examples?
Mats Sundin only made 5.5 last season, he could have easily demanded 7

Crosby's another one - while it's hard to say 8.7 million is a "discount", seeing as how he's touted as being the future of hockey and all, he could have asked for the max and someone would have given it to him for sure

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Sami Salo and Willie Mitchell theoretically could have gotten $1-2 million more then they are currently making if they legitimately pursued the Open Market I would think. So maybe them? Though the NTC's are kind of a pain.

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Chris Clark for the Caps, maybe. ~2.6 for 3 years, coming off a 30 goal season. Not a huge discount, of course, but I think it's something.

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I dont know how long ago it was signed, but Alfie at 4.6 or so is a nice bargain.
Phillips at 3.5, and Volch at 2.5 seem pretty good as well.

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Marty Brodeur took the home team discount with the devils.

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I'm not saying it is one, but what do you think about Chris Phillips contract?

Signed near the end of the 2007 season: 3.5M a season for 4 seasons. I think he could've received a bit more as a free agent.

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I dont know how long ago it was signed, but Alfie at 4.6 or so is a nice bargain.
Phillips at 3.5, and Volch at 2.5 seem pretty good as well.
He signed before the lockout and the rollback. I can't remember exactly how much it was before that, but at the time it wasn't as big of a discount. Having him at a 4.414 cap hit is great value for your dollar though.

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How about Ales Hemsky in 05/06? Would have been 22 at the time, signed a 6 year $4 mill/year deal with the Oilers.

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Teemu Selanne took $4 mil after 05-06 to stay with the Ducks, could've easily commanded $6 mil.

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Shane Doan signed with the Coyotes for $5 million a year when it was likely he could have gotten $1-2 million more on the open market.

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Shane Doan signed with the Coyotes for $5 million a year when it was likely he could have gotten $1-2 million more on the open market.
$4.55m/year to make it even better.

Would have gotten at least $5.5m on the market, possibly more seeing that Ryan Smyth went for $6.25m.

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Mats Sundin only made 5.5 last season, he could have easily demanded 7
Sundin's situation was rather different though. The team had an option year for 07-08 they could have elected that would have only paid him $4.56mil. However he would have carried a $6.33m cap hit.

By negotiating a new one year deal with Sundin instead of exercising the option year the Leafs paid him a higher salary of $5.5m which also dropped his cap hit to $5.5m.

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Although Tucker was a dud last year he could have demanded more elsewhere when he was a UFA, luckly for Toronto he signed for less and the buyout won't be as high as it could have been if he demanded what he could have gotten on the open market.

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Brodeur, Elias, and Langenbrunner all could probably have gotten more from other teams.

I think I remember hearing Rafalski got an offer even higher than Detroit's from some other team, but I'm not positive on that one.

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Spezza, Heatley, Phillips and Volchenkov for Ottawa.

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Believe it or not, there are not a lot of players out there that take serious paycuts to stay with the hometeam for the 1-2 million dollar discounts that are suggested in this thread. VERY FEW players take those sorts of discounts, and when they do, its because theyve been with a team for a significant period of time, and theyre superstars whose numbers couldve reached league maximums on the open market. There are very FEW players who take millions less to stay on the team they are on. The only guys I can think of off the top of my head that took legit discounts to get it done are Niedermayer, Lidstrom, Brodeur, Thornton, and Iginla. And all of those players are either the faces of their franchise or have been with their team for a lifetime. The only exception is Scott, who wanted to play with his brother more than anything.

Hometown discounts are not guys who signed ok deals a few years ago that now look like steals. It looks like Nash signed a good deal now, but when it was reported that he was making 5.4M, that was more money than it appears now.

Also, hometown discounts are not any of your UFAs that decide to re-sign with your team. By nature of the overpaying UFA market, ANY player that re-signs with his team pre-July 1st is going to be taking less than he couldve on the open market, because theres no bidding war for GMs to contend with.

I think people get way too hopeful about UFAs re-signing at "hometown discounts". I read in the Detroit Free Press the other day that some reporter thought Stuart would re-sign for 3M just cause he won the cup with the Wings. Not happening. If Stuart and similar players take paycuts to stay with a certain team, itll be more like a 250k paycut, not a 1.25M paycut.

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Brodeur, Elias, and Langenbrunner all could probably have gotten more from other teams.

I think I remember hearing Rafalski got an offer even higher than Detroit's from some other team, but I'm not positive on that one.
He did. But its more likely that it was something like 6.5 over 4 years, instead of 6M over 5 years.

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At the time...

Naslund, Ohlund, Salo, Mitchell. Naslund was one of the best players in the league when he signed that contract. Ohlund, Salo, and Mitchell are still cheap.

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Marty comes to mind. I think his reasoning was that although $5.2 million was on the low side of someone his caliber, the long term security and the fact that he will get paid that much even if he tanks, was good for him and his family. It was a steal back then....even bigger one now.

The one person that comes to mind that NEVER takes a home town discount was Ryan Smyth. He always fought tooth and nail to get his money's worth....definitely not hometwon discount. There was a post on the Oilers board that calculated how much of his salary took on the the budget, and how big each increase was each year.

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The only guys I can think of off the top of my head that took legit discounts to get it done are Niedermayer, Lidstrom, Brodeur, Thornton, and Iginla.
What are you talking about? Niedermayer and Lidstrom both got the max. Thornton and Iginla might have gotten more on the open market, but neither one of them were UFAs. A bird in the hand is worth 12 in the bush for a professional athlete whose career could end with every shift. Early extension != home town discount on the UFA market. Brodour took a legitimate discount, but that is just about the only one I know of where the player gave up on more then $1-2m on a multi-year deal.

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Pavel Kubina had better offers, but took $5M from the Leafs to play with his buddy Tomas Kaberle.

The NTC five all probably took discounts for TO, likely the reason they won't waive them.

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I'm amazed Kariya/Selanne going to Colorado wasn't the first one stated...

They didn't turn out well as well all remember, but at the time that was a huge discount..they made what $7 million combined?? Kariya made like 1.5 or something like that..

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