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06-05-2008, 03:18 PM
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Ville Koistinen

Simple question: How confident are Nashville Predator fans in Ville Koistinen's game? I've heard a lot of good things about him and I am interested in hearing it from you guys? Do you think/hope he lands a full time job next year? What is his ceiling? Thanks!

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06-05-2008, 03:34 PM
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Koistinen does remind me a lot of Timonen. He was really indecisive at first but he started to trust his instincts more and really came around as the season went on and I want to keep him around for the sake of the power play. He's got a good, low point shot that generates a lot of rebounds and he and Zidlicky worked wonders for the PP unit when they were together. They even played decent at even strength. Does he have a lot of room to grow? I think he does. I think he needs to get faster, though. He'll probably top out as a #3 defenseman and could be a good power play QB.

And he's even willing to hit people.

If Klein is gone, I want Koistinen to be our #7 this year and take a full spot next year. The only condition is that he HAS to be more consistent. Look at Zanon: he was a pretty consistent guy and he beat out Lehtonen for a spot in October of 06. That's what Koistinen has to do... except he's way better than Zanon could ever hope to be.


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06-06-2008, 09:49 AM
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And he's even willing to hit people.
Koistinen (although a relatively small player) was famous of his open-ice hits in FNL. He has a good balance and skates well, so he was able surprise opponents with his hip tackle. His style, however, was very risky and I believe he is trying nowadays to play more less-risk game.

Koistinen has said that Preds´are would like to have him back. If he is not resigned, there are several big Euro teams that are most likely willing to pay his services a lot.

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06-06-2008, 10:27 AM
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how about Klein, what went wrong with him this year? when i read his profile i wonder why didn't he make the roster... but then i thought the same thing about Ville.

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06-06-2008, 10:36 AM
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how about Klein, what went wrong with him this year? when i read his profile i wonder why didn't he make the roster... but then i thought the same thing about Ville.
Klein was injured in training camp (separated shoulder) and missed out on his chance to battle it out for a position in the lineup. He was then injured in one of his first games back (I think it was his other shoulder) and by the time he had recovered...he was so far behind everyone else on the depth chart. The other major contributing factor to Klein not getting a chance was that beyond Klein's own injuries...our defensive corps stayed relatively healthy last season (Klein was injured too during Weber's extended stints on IR). He will have another shot to make the team (and hopefully they open up at least one spot this summer for either Ville or KK to battle for).

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06-06-2008, 12:15 PM
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So both of them are RFAs, what would you guys expect them to be getting

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06-06-2008, 01:06 PM
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So both of them are RFAs, what would you guys expect them to be getting
Klein has no leverage, nor does he have any resume to fall back on either. He will get his qualifying offer (110% of 2007-08 salary) and have to be happy with it. I also can't see Koistinen getting that much more than his QO, but then again, he will be able to leverage the Predators with offers from Europe and therefore I suspect he will get a little bit more than his QO.

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06-06-2008, 01:10 PM
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If I was a GM of another team, I would come in an make an offer sheet to both Klein and Kosisten. Offer Kosisten 3 yr and 1.2 million or something. I think the compensation is only a 3rd rounder.

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06-09-2008, 08:12 AM
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Well being a sens fan i would love to see either of them as the 5th or 6th defender. but as a nashville fan I almost think the preds are better off trading Suter for a forward and keeping both of the lesser known RFAs.

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If I was a GM of another team, I would come in an make an offer sheet to both Klein and Kosisten. Offer Kosisten 3 yr and 1.2 million or something. I think the compensation is only a 3rd rounder.
I would be very surprised if both of these guys didn't receive an offer sheet.

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but as a nashville fan I almost think the preds are better off trading Suter for a forward and keeping both of the lesser known RFAs.
YES

Suter's game seems to have hit a wall, yet Ville's was only getting better as he was getting more playing time.

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YES

Suter's game seems to have hit a wall, yet Ville's was only getting better as he was getting more playing time.
I don't think Suter's game has "hit a wall.' I think he was one of our best players in the playoffs...I just think we have to deal from a position of wealth. If we could get a comparable young forward for him...I would like to do it. But to say Koistinen will be better than Suter when he's shown no indication of such is a little premature.

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YES

Suter's game seems to have hit a wall, yet Ville's was only getting better as he was getting more playing time.
I haven't seen Suter hit a wall as far as progress goes (but it has slowed down) but as far as a salary cap goes it would be better to trade him now to someone like buffalo for say Stafford. Nashville gets 2 more years of a cheap salary and a potentially great winger while Buffalo tries to rebuild its defense corp.

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I would be very surprised if both of these guys didn't receive an offer sheet.
I would. They've proven very little at the NHL level.

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06-09-2008, 04:07 PM
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I would. They've proven very little at the NHL level.
Both of them have proven enough to be worth a 3rd round pick. Not sure if any GM is willing to risk losing a 2nd round pick for them, but certainly an offer of 750k for Klein or Koistenen isn't beyond reach for most teams and would only result in the loss of a 3rd rounder.

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I haven't seen Suter hit a wall as far as progress goes (but it has slowed down) but as far as a salary cap goes it would be better to trade him now to someone like buffalo for say Stafford. Nashville gets 2 more years of a cheap salary and a potentially great winger while Buffalo tries to rebuild its defense corp.
That would be a poor trade IMO. I actually think each of the past two years, Suter has been our 2nd best to best defenseman down the stretch and in the playoffs. Stafford does not come close to equating his value to the team.

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Both of them have proven enough to be worth a 3rd round pick. Not sure if any GM is willing to risk losing a 2nd round pick for them, but certainly an offer of 750k for Klein or Koistenen isn't beyond reach for most teams and would only result in the loss of a 3rd rounder.
And it's immediately going to get matched at $750k, so isn't it kinda futile?

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That would be a poor trade IMO. I actually think each of the past two years, Suter has been our 2nd best to best defenseman down the stretch and in the playoffs. Stafford does not come close to equating his value to the team.
Exactly, everyone likes the sometimes flashy, huge hitting Weber, but as far as the defensive fundamentals of skating and positioning goes - Hammer and Suter have him beat.

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And it's immediately going to get matched at $750k, so isn't it kinda futile?
I don't think it will immediately get matched. Assuming we're not carrying 8 defensmen on the roster next year, Poile could view this effectively as a trade of Klein or Koistenen for a third rounder. If he signs both, something is going to force his hand to do a deal prior to the season opening, so if he doesn't have any better trade options, he might consider going this route.

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I don't think it will immediately get matched. Assuming we're not carrying 8 defensmen on the roster next year, Poile could view this effectively as a trade of Klein or Koistenen for a third rounder. If he signs both, something is going to force his hand to do a deal prior to the season opening, so if he doesn't have any better trade options, he might consider going this route.
Well when you put it that way it sounds far more enticing.

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Exactly, everyone likes the sometimes flashy, huge hitting Weber, but as far as the defensive fundamentals of skating and positioning goes - Hammer and Suter have him beat.
Hamhuis yes, Suter no.

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Exactly, everyone likes the sometimes flashy, huge hitting Weber, but as far as the defensive fundamentals of skating and positioning goes - Hammer and Suter have him beat.
Did you mean to say Zanon instead of Suter?

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IMO, if the Preds are committed to keeping Zidlicky and getting the best from him, they must keep Koistinen. Zids was a completely different player when paired with VK. To get the highest return on investment on the Zidlicky contract you have to pair him with Koistinen (which isn't a bad thing).

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IMO, if the Preds are committed to keeping Zidlicky and getting the best from him, they must keep Koistinen.
So what two guys are you going to let go on the blue line? Klein seems to be the obvious one to let go if an offersheet comes but who else?

Besides Suter, Weber, Koistinen and Zidlicky...
Zanon - would be the easy choice but he is cost effective.
De Vries - is the oldest and might be able to be moved.
Hamhuis - would probably net the most in a trade

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I don't think we need to lose two. I think Nashville will only lose one of the eight defensemen, and then next year look to unload De Vries and/or Zanon to make room for the younger players. I would prefer to see one of De Vries or Zanon moved this year to make room for Klein, but I think Klein might be the odd man out this year.

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