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06-12-2008, 12:42 AM
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9 millions to spend? (help with next year salaries)

I've been trying to find out how much cap space we will have on July 1st.

Here's what I have so far but it's almost random. (numbers/names that can change are in blue)



-I'm not sure Pacioretty will make the team, but I guess at least one rookie will, so I used him and the rookie max.


So, using comparables and inflation (or your divine powers),what are the good numbers. Also, I'm not sure about the 56 300 000 cap.


P.s. Remember that the important number is the market price and not the fair price, in other words, what you think they will earn, not should earn.


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I dont think Kostistsyn gets a 500% raise. You forgot Dandy and Grabovski. Streit 4 mill in Montreal? I don't think we do it, but I don't think it's impossible to see him offered that from someone desperate for a PP qb(although I think he is more a production of our PP, more then he made our PP great).

As of right now I think nhlnumbers has us at 32.509 cap hit(for 15 players) for the year with all the players under contract. We need to put 8-10 players under contracts with the approx 24 mill(make it 26 if dandy is gone)

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Streit at 4 is kind of high. The most I see Gainey going is 3 million. Drop Streit will give us 13 million to spend...2 big names. Doubt Matches will make the team...rookie will be Chips. Where's Dands' 1.75 million?

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06-12-2008, 05:58 AM
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1.3 for Gorges is too much, love the guy but he'll be on our 3rd pair, no way Gainey sign a YOUNG 5th/6th D to that amount

4.0 for Streit ? no way... I wouldnt bet BG would say yes at 3.0 so...

3.75 for A. Kostystyn, better be for loooooooong!


according to NHLnumbers.com we're at approsimately 34M$* for 16 players (Lapierre new contract isnt listed there though), meaning we have about 14M$ to spend on 4 players.


Considering guys like Gorges, O'Byrne and Chipchura (if he makes the team) wont cost much, no doubt we have $$ for Hossa's caliber players!








* Carey Price bonuses (Bonus cushion)

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* Carey Price bonuses (Bonus cushion)
Does bonuses count against the cap the same as salaries?

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06-12-2008, 06:52 AM
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Total Salaries - 41.5245

Forwards - 19.9465
11 Koivu, Saku C 32 4.750
27 Kovalev, Alexei R 34 4.500
46 Kostitsyn, Andrei L 22 2.000
25 Dandenault, Mathieu R 31 1.725
21 Higgins, Chris C 24 1.700
14 Plekanec, Tomas C 24 1.600
22 Begin, Steve L 29 1.057
6 Kostopoulos, Tom R 28 0.900
84 Latendresse, Guillaume R 20 0.850
74 Kostitsyn, Sergei L 20 0.817
28 Chipchura, Kyle C 21 0.943
40 Lapierre, Maxim C 22 0.6125
70 Stewart, Greg L 21 0.492



Defencemen - 15.932
79 Markov, Andrei D 28 5.750
44 Hamrlik, Roman D 33 5.500
51 Bouillon, Francis D 31 1.875
8 Komisarek, Mike D 25 1.700
26 Gorges, Josh D 22 0.495
3 O‘Byrne, Ryan D 22 0.613


Goaltenders - 2.95
31 Price, Carey G 19 2.200
41 Halak, Jaroslav G 22 0.750

Buy-Outs - 0.696
Cullimore, Jassen D 34 0.621
Salmelainen, Tony R 25 0.075

That's 41.5 in total on 13 forwards, 6 defensemen, 2 goalies and 2 buyouts. Leaving us around 14.8 million to spend.

Everybody agree?

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Does bonuses count against the cap the same as salaries?
yes.

Knowing Gainey, A.Kost will get a one year deal worth 1.2-1.5mil

Geogres will get one year around 900k-1.1mil

Chipchura will make the team instead of Paccoretti,

And Striet will ultimately walk. Leaving us around 12 mill to spend on 2 forwards.

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i think with komisarek higgins & plekanec to resign next summer we should be careful with our offseason expense

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i think with komisarek higgins & plekanec to resign next summer we should be careful with our offseason expense

Agreed, a Briere Drury Gomez contract looks ok to fit in short term, but once the young guys start getting long term deals, we won't necessarily have 12-14 mil of room down the line...thought Koivu and Kovy are up after this year.

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i think with komisarek higgins & plekanec to resign next summer we should be careful with our offseason expense
That's what I was gonna say. We DON'T have 9, or 10, or 14 millions to spend this summer. It's less than that. If we want to make a push for a UFA, we can go for it, but Gainey will have to think further to be sure to keep everyone for the year after. We need to keep the core and build from there, and the core start with Higgins, Komisarek, the Kost brothers and Plekanec. Markov is alright for another 3 seasons so we're ok with him.

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i think with komisarek higgins & plekanec to resign next summer we should be careful with our offseason expense
I wouldn't be that concerned about future years as the cap is always going up and some big contracts will be coming off the cap by then. It would generally balance out. Komisarek will be UFA and get big raise but Higgins and Plekance will get much less because they will be RFA. I also would not be surprised to see one of our big 3 on defense be traded by 2010 before their contract comes up, as we have deep crop of future D who should be ready in 2 years. They could fetch us a top pick in '09(Montreal draft)

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That's what I was gonna say. We DON'T have 9, or 10, or 14 millions to spend this summer. It's less than that. If we want to make a push for a UFA, we can go for it, but Gainey will have to think further to be sure to keep everyone for the year after. We need to keep the core and build from there, and the core start with Higgins, Komisarek, the Kost brothers and Plekanec. Markov is alright for another 3 seasons so we're ok with him.
Or blow somebody away like Sundin with a high, one year offer. This would not affect our future beyond next season.

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Or blow somebody away like Sundin with a high, one year offer. This would not affect our future beyond next season.
That's probably the smartest thing gainey can do this summer. Sign sundin for 1 year

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Or blow somebody away like Sundin with a high, one year offer. This would not affect our future beyond next season.
I think Sundin has 2 years left in the tank, 2 years 14-16 mil.

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Everybody agree?[/QUOTE]


No.A couple of corrections.Your math is wrong on the forwards. You must of added
A. Kost last as you left out his estimate of 2 million ( a little low for me ).Gorges
and O'Byrne are both RFA so are entitled to at least a 10% raise over their 07/08
salary which you quoted.I agree with a previous poster who thought Gorges will
get in the 1 mil range.You had no Grabs but Dandi -perhaps. I prefer Grabs , no Dandi
but who knows at this point - both are spare parts.

After 08/09 , komi is a UFA and Higgins and Pleks are RFA. I hope at least Komi is
signed to a long term deal this summer.Ideally we can get all three as they are our
young core.

Just my thoughts, but I think we have only 7-8 mil to spend on a single player
such as a Sundin.

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No.A couple of corrections.Your math is wrong on the forwards. You must of added
A. Kost last as you left out his estimate of 2 million ( a little low for me ).Gorges
and O'Byrne are both RFA so are entitled to at least a 10% raise over their 07/08
salary which you quoted.I agree with a previous poster who thought Gorges will
get in the 1 mil range.You had no Grabs but Dandi -perhaps. I prefer Grabs , no Dandi
but who knows at this point - both are spare parts.
If we keep Grabs and buy out Dands we have to claim 37.5% of Dands' salary on this year's cap. Or around .625. Add Grabs .5 and we save .6. 2 million is plenty in my opinion for AK. I think he will come in around 1.5 million.

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If we keep Grabs and buy out Dands we have to claim 37.5% of Dands' salary on this year's cap. Or around .625. Add Grabs .5 and we save .6. 2 million is plenty in my opinion for AK. I think he will come in around 1.5 million.
Grabs' cap hit was 725k and is a RFA so his 08/09 salary will be at least 800k.With both Grabs and Dandi not in the lineup during the playoffs in all probability one or
both will not be on the team next year.

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The numbers seem about right, but you are giving some of our FA's way too much money.

AK - he should be in the $2 million range.
Gorges - You are close, but i would think between $1-1.2 million
Streit - I don't see us giving him a penny more than $2.5. If he walks, he walks.

You also left off Dandeneault, who may not be the easiest guy to get rid of...

Also, while the cap is rumored to be approx. 56 million, i highly doubt the Habs spend to the limit...im guessing we will at least be 2 million below.

I don't have my exact numbers handy, but when i think i had the Habs at approx. 8 million in cap space (going with a 54 million ceiling), and thats with Dandeneault on the books. Trade him or send him to the minors and we are close to 10 million.

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AK - he should be in the $2 million range. - No way he signs that cheap.... he's going to wait for an offer sheet than and will get 3.5 to 5.

Gorges - You are close, but i would think between $1-1.2 million - Yes

Streit - I don't see us giving him a penny more than $2.5. If he walks, he walks. - He walks then.... I can't see him beeing worth 6 million a year (like some homepages stated) but he will easily get 3.5 to 4. For 2.5 he'll laugh in Bob's face.

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It's funny to see people ASSUME that the Canadiens will be spending to the cap.
Chances are they have there own internal budget and it's probably around 50mil imho.
They will just say they are keeping room just in case...

They have never spend more than that before. And even with the sale outs and raising ticket prices, Gillett probably would like to start making a profit.

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It's funny to see people ASSUME that the Canadiens will be spending to the cap.
Chances are they have there own internal budget and it's probably around 50mil imho.
They will just say they are keeping room just in case...

They have never spend more than that before. And even with the sale outs and raising ticket prices, Gillett probably would like to start making a profit.
Start to make a profit? I'd venture into saying the Habs bring a TON of money to Gillett. Not only through ticket sales (with prices that keep going up for some strange reason) but through merchandising and licensing deals.

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Start to make a profit? I'd venture into saying the Habs bring a TON of money to Gillett. Not only through ticket sales (with prices that keep going up for some strange reason) but through merchandising and licensing deals.
Gillet said a few years ago that he needed the habs to go atleast to the stanley cup finals to make profit

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Start to make a profit? I'd venture into saying the Habs bring a TON of money to Gillett. Not only through ticket sales (with prices that keep going up for some strange reason) but through merchandising and licensing deals.
You are probably right, especially with the resurgence after the lockout.
But that is not the story the Habs were spinning prior to the lockout.
Municipal taxes higher then all 24 american teams put together. Plus federal and provincial taxes. A week dollar until a few years ago. And a player payroll around 40 to 45 mil. I don't think it's impossible to think they did lose money. So if in the last few seasons they were able to turn a profit, well the CBA was all about the owners finally making a profit right?
The habs will not spend to the cap, just a gut feeling. Still with a 50mil payroll will be in the top 10 probably so that should still give us a better team them most.

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Gillet said a few years ago that he needed the habs to go atleast to the stanley cup finals to make profit
Thanks I do rememeber something about them needing to make it to the second round to break even or something.
Maybe those are just corporate spins to finally get the municipal taxes lowered, which is something they have been fighting for a long time.

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Grabs' cap hit was 725k and is a RFA so his 08/09 salary will be at least 800k.With both Grabs and Dandi not in the lineup during the playoffs in all probability one or
both will not be on the team next year.
You are talking nickels and dimes....but overall we have roughly...given the slight adjustments...around 14.2 million of caproom this summer

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