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06-14-2008, 01:04 AM
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Should RFA's Be Abolished?

Should RFA's Be Abolished?

Somehow, going after an RFA to me is really low. I mean, what was the thinking when he NHL decided that any team could go offer a contract to a guy you still have a contract with?

And offering a BIG contract to a RFA is forcing this team to equal that number and may put that team in dire financial needs.

I think being a UFA is good enough and that RFA's are superfluous and un-needed.

What do you think?

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I agree. I also wish there just was no draft, like european soccer. This way, young players get to pick which team they sign with. There would still be a salary cap.

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Doesn't the "FA" in RFA mean "free agent", thus NOT under contract? I agree that it seems like a foolish mechanism whose only result is to artificially drive up contract prices. But I think it's as necessary as having a maximum rookie contract, rookie contract length, etc. Teams and players must both have some kind of protection.

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I think for players to a certain age should have the amount of time to work a contract out with them extended and if by that time, an agreement has not been reached, that player can go to Free Agency.

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I agree. I also wish there just was no draft, like european soccer. This way, young players get to pick which team they sign with. There would still be a salary cap.
If that was the case, Crosby would be in Montreal.

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Doesn't the "FA" in RFA mean "free agent", thus NOT under contract? I agree that it seems like a foolish mechanism whose only result is to artificially drive up contract prices....
There you go, you just said it better than i could. RFA's serve no other purpose than to be used as weapons to destroy another team be it financially or draft wise.

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No I'd rather have the prospects we invested so much time in to be protected instead of going straight to free agency. Yes it sucks if someone else offers them a contract but it does not happen often at all. Would you like it if Komi just jetted to Long Island at the age of 24? It would be really dumb IMO.

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Should RFA's Be Abolished?

Somehow, going after an RFA to me is really low. I mean, what was the thinking when he NHL decided that any team could go offer a contract to a guy you still have a contract with?

And offering a BIG contract to a RFA is forcing this team to equal that number and may put that team in dire financial needs.

I think being a UFA is good enough and that RFA's are superfluous and un-needed.

What do you think?
Its in place so lazy owners get off their buts and make decisions, without making a player sit...and sit..and sit with no contract.

I mean, whats wrong with people signing RFA's? Its in the rules, its not a low blow.. the compensation is normally more than enough.

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If that was the case, Crosby would be in Montreal.
When do you think I came up with that idea

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Should RFA's Be Abolished?

Somehow, going after an RFA to me is really low. I mean, what was the thinking when he NHL decided that any team could go offer a contract to a guy you still have a contract with?

And offering a BIG contract to a RFA is forcing this team to equal that number and may put that team in dire financial needs.

I think being a UFA is good enough and that RFA's are superfluous and un-needed.

What do you think?
RFA is about putting a bit of power in the hands of the player....the only alternative is UFA after your first contract and that makes no sense. What kind of negotiating power would Kostitsyn have if he wasnt RFA? Also the other team isnt forced to equal....The Ducks refused to equal Penner's contract and they got a first, second and third-round draft pick in return.

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the compensation is normally more than enough.
Despite my other post, I agree. Due to the quality of scouting and the technology that they employ in testing players, first round draft picks (while not sure things by any stretch) are now safer bets and more valuable assets than ever before. As long as the scale continues to be appropriate it should be a good enough deterrent against overly foolish offers.

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Good Luck getting rid of that, wasn't this where the owners had to cave a little to pass some power to the players & get the 2005 CBA ratified.

Before this didn't the teams have your rights until you were almost 28 or 30? Of course there were tons of trades!!!


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you come out of school...sign up with a big company

after a few years you should be the one to decide if you want to move on

it is your life not theirs!!!!



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except for the money and photo ops

you work for the leafs, you work for mcdonald's

at the end of the day

you work for someone else



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you come out of school...sign up with a big company

after a few years you should be the one to decide if you want to move on

it is your life not theirs!!!!



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Sorry but the big company when out of its way to scout and sign YOU. That big company invested a lot of time and money into you and gave you a chance to be something special. That company definitely deserves some kind of protection and you owe it to them.

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you come out of school...sign up with a big company

after a few years you should be the one to decide if you want to move on

it is your life not theirs!!!!



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Except....hockey teams invest alot of money in you before you even play one game in the NHL. They scouted you, they trained you, they were patient while you had growing pains....and just as you start peforming you want to leave just like that? If that becomes the new reality why invest in scouting at all?

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Except....hockey teams invest alot of money in you before you even play one game in the NHL. They scouted you, they trained you, they were patient while you had growing pains....and just as you start peforming you want to leave just like that? If that becomes the new reality why invest in scouting at all?
Look at Soccer, teams invest alot more money in their players than in hockey. Do they have RFAs? No.

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Look at Soccer, teams invest alot more money in their players than in hockey. Do they have RFAs? No.
They dont have trades either no? It's all money.

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If that was the case, Crosby would be in Montreal.
So would Lecavalier, Ovechkin, Brodeur, and the list goes on.

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I say a player needs to sit out 1 year from Hockey before they are able to entertain offers from another team.

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So would Lecavalier, Ovechkin, Brodeur, and the list goes on.
Ovechkin would be in Toronto since it was on of his favorite teams. He only recently became fond of montreal because of his friend Markov. I even have a picture somewhere on my computer with ovechkin wearing a Maple Leaf toque.

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Should RFA's Be Abolished?

Somehow, going after an RFA to me is really low. I mean, what was the thinking when he NHL decided that any team could go offer a contract to a guy you still have a contract with?

And offering a BIG contract to a RFA is forcing this team to equal that number and may put that team in dire financial needs.

I think being a UFA is good enough and that RFA's are superfluous and un-needed.

What do you think?
You're either a RFA or you have a contract, can't be both...

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There you go, you just said it better than i could. RFA's serve no other purpose than to be used as weapons to destroy another team be it financially or draft wise.
Wrong, it's the other way around, if there was no RFA, guys like Crosby, Malkin, Kopitar, Kane, Toews would be totally free at age 21, meaning the ONLY way for teams to keep them would be to overpay... no compensation whatsoever, you overpay or you lose the player...


just think for a second, if RFA didnt exist, we could see a guy like Latendresse go freely to another team way before he pans out, and after we invested about 2M$ in him (salary)...

or Price leaving after only two full seasons with us ? come on...



tell me you wouldnt mind losing A. Kostystin after his first full year with us, without any type of compensation...

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06-14-2008, 06:35 AM
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Look at Soccer, teams invest alot more money in their players than in hockey. Do they have RFAs? No.
Cant compare, there's a few more (decent) Pro league in soccer where team can afford to spend 5 to 10 Mil per year on a player...

in hockey, there's ONE league who can afford to do that and it's the NHL...

different situation = different rules...

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There are enough checks and balances in place. So if the NHLPA needs restricted free agency, I don't think it hurts too much to let them have it.

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