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06-14-2008, 01:38 PM
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If anyone still foolishly believes that Italy have not been on the wrong end of referee decisions over the years should read this article, written by a Frenchman.

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=736084
Good read,nice and not expected from a French fan!!

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06-14-2008, 01:38 PM
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I don't think anyone is saying that Italy hasn't been the victim of some bad calls. It's the collusion aspect that I think is baseless.

When you qualify for and generally go deep in major competitions you're bound to have some bounces go against you.
He doesn't write much about collusion in the article (which I assume you read), but an objective evaluation of World Cup 2002, would lead to some interesting questions, no?

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06-14-2008, 01:40 PM
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For those who argue who is a better coach Donadoni ,Domenech or Piturca: way to go to bring such arguments as Domenech has led the France to a WC final or Donadoni is better because Italy had 60% possession .
Let me tell you what Domenech did in the first game :
-played Ribery on the right side , even though Riberi thrived at Bayern playing on the left
-he left out Trezeguet who scored 20 goals in Seria A and brought Gomis and Benzema who definitely have potential but now they even keep the ball at their feet
-Altough,Romania is well known as a team who rely on their defence , he used two defensive midfielders .
-He starts Abidal who had a poor season at Barca instead of Evra who is more offensive and was a major part for Manchester being so succesful
-He starts Sagnol who missed a lot of games last season
-He left out Mexes
-Zidane is the only reason for Domenech sniffing the Cup in 2006
-He introduced against Romania two unproven players at international level in Gomis and Nasri
There are many more reasons for me to say that Domenech is not a very wise coach . A coach who can't get Italy or France in the quarterfinals with the talent that these teams have , aren't too good I might add

Italy has Buffon,Zambrotta,Pirlo,Toni,Del Piero , De Rossi just to name a few star players
France has Gallas,Thuram,Evra,Ribery,Henry,Makelele,Malouda
Romania has 2 world class players in Chivu and Mutu , and 3-4 potential stars in the future Tamas,Marica ,R.Stefan...lol


Probably Holland wins Tuesday because, let's face it ...they are awesome examples of fair-play...unfortunately, they will meet Italy again in the semifinals and they will get beaten in the last minute of the game because of an own goal ...
I just want Donadoni fired ASAP even if by miracle Italy would go on to win this Euro

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06-14-2008, 01:42 PM
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Russia and Greece are ready to get underway

A tie would only be good for Russia here IMO since they play Sweden next and would then need to beat them.

I say this one will end 3-2 Greece

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If France would have won we would have had to beat them by 4 goals or more?
I thought head to head was the first tie break

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06-14-2008, 01:43 PM
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I thought head to head was the first tie break
Not sure,I thought it was the GF-GA?

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06-14-2008, 01:44 PM
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He doesn't write much about collusion in the article (which I assume you read), but an objective evaluation of World Cup 2002, would lead to some interesting questions, no?
I was referring to the conspiracy musings of fans and not the article.

In terms of WC 2002, I don't disagree.

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Not sure,I thought it was the GF-GA?
I'm pretty sure it's head to head, but don't worry France won't let it come down to goal differential

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For those who argue who is a better coach Donadoni ,Domenech or Piturca: way to go to bring such arguments as Domenech has led the France to a WC final or Donadoni is better because Italy had 60% possession .
Let me tell you what Domenech did in the first game :
-played Ribery on the right side , even though Riberi thrived at Bayern playing on the left
-he left out Trezeguet who scored 20 goals in Seria A and brought Gomis and Benzema who definitely have potential but now they even keep the ball at their feet
-Altough,Romania is well known as a team who rely on their defence , he used two defensive midfielders .
-He starts Abidal who had a poor season at Barca instead of Evra who is more offensive and was a major part for Manchester being so succesful
-He starts Sagnol who missed a lot of games last season
-He left out Mexes
-Zidane is the only reason for Domenech sniffing the Cup in 2006
-He introduced against Romania two unproven players at international level in Gomis and Nasri
There are many more reasons for me to say that Domenech is not a very wise coach . A coach who can't get Italy or France in the quarterfinals with the talent that these teams have , aren't too good I might add

Italy has Buffon,Zambrotta,Pirlo,Toni,Del Piero , De Rossi just to name a few star players
France has Gallas,Thuram,Evra,Ribery,Henry,Makelele,Malouda
Romania has 2 world class players in Chivu and Mutu , and 3-4 potential stars in the future Tamas,Marica ,R.Stefan...lol


Probably Holland wins Tuesday because, let's face it ...they are awesome examples of fair-play...unfortunately, they will meet Italy again in the semifinals and they will get beaten in the last minute of the game because of an own goal ...
Hey your not going to get an argument from me. Don't know much about Piturca but both Domenech and Donadoni have been less than impressive in this tournament. Donadoni completely failed his opening match lineup. If Italy does not go through a lot of the blame will fall squarely on Donadoni.

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06-14-2008, 01:57 PM
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Hey your not going to get an argument from me. Don't know much about Piturca but both Domenech and Donadoni have been less than impressive in this tournament. Donadoni completely failed his opening match lineup. If Italy does not go through a lot of the blame will fall squarely on Donadoni.
I think kosmyn will have to search long and hard before he finds anyone to support either Domenech or Donadoni.

I will say one thing about Piturca, he should win something before running his mouth about the state of French football.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ia/7371063.stm


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06-14-2008, 01:58 PM
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I was referring to the conspiracy musings of fans and not the article.

In terms of WC 2002, I don't disagree.
Maybe not conspiracy but it would not be outside the realm of possibility that the ref's can have a negative bias against Italy. Just look at the reaction on this board.

I also look at if from another angle. I can name many incidents of calls that went against Italy such as:
- Champions league, Inter Liverpool, Materazzi sent of on an inexistent first yellow
- WC 2006, Materazzi sent off harshly against Austalia, soft penalty awarded to Malouda in the first six minutes of a WC final
- Euro 2004 - Conditioned tie (2-2) one of the only result that can eliminate Italy
- WC 2002 - Italy Korea, Moreno - too many incidents to even list all
- Euro 2000 - six minutes of stoppage time when 2 was more realistic.

That being said, aside from the Grosso penalty against Australia (although Grosso embellished, I think that this foul would be called 90% of the time and was sort of a even up call for an atrocious sending off) can you name me decisions that have gone Italy's way? If it looks like a duck, quack like a duck, walks like a duck, it pretty much is a duck.

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Great pace so far in the Russia-Greece game...

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06-14-2008, 02:19 PM
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1-0 Russia .. .Zyrianov... Bicycle pass by Semak!!!

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Great play by Semak.

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Oh... almost 2-0 Russia... What a save by Nikopolidis...

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Oh... almost 2-0 Russia... What a save by Nikopolidis...
The header? It was flagged offsides

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The header? It was flagged offsides
Yeah I saw that afterwards...

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The header? It was flagged offsides
Yup, can't believe that play, heads it straight into the pitch and over the crossbar.

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I don't think anyone is saying that Italy hasn't been the victim of some bad calls. It's the collusion aspect that I think is baseless.

When you qualify for and generally go deep in major competitions you're bound to have some bounces go against you.
Well said.

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Greece is in big trouble. But most were predicting that anyways...

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Wow I expected a much better effort from Greece,I like the Russian game here,I hope they get the W

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Russia was very entertaining especially on the counter attack. But their finishing was downright pathetic.

It could have easily been 3 or 4 goals fo russia. If they got 4 goals, they would have tied sweden for goal differential, but now they will go into the final game in a must win situation.... and I think the goal differential is going to come back and bite them.

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Start a new thread for today's games guys.

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