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06-14-2008, 09:54 PM
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Naslund is absolutely pathetic, and would be eaten alive by the Montreal media/fans who wouldn't put up with his crappy, uninspired play. The Vancouverites who still think he's a good player are clearly blind and oblivious to his massive decline. They are clearly still living in the past when he was a good player.

The guy is a lousy captain, cant get the job done in the playoffs, and now cant even get the job done in the regular season. Save yourselves the headache.
i disagree....this is simple a "Hater's post"

Naslund should be doing well if not better in another team than what he did last year for the Canucks. albeit at a lower contract than 6 mil.
It shouldnt be a headache if he can still put up 60 points for a contract around 3.5-4 million.

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06-14-2008, 10:12 PM
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Naslund is absolutely pathetic, and would be eaten alive by the Montreal media/fans who wouldn't put up with his crappy, uninspired play.
Funny, I think the last player that was eaten alive by the Montreal media was Alex Kovalev, the guy who they named interim captain when Koivu was out?

Under a more offensive system, and in a new city, I think Naslund still has the abilities to be a top-6 forward.

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06-14-2008, 10:17 PM
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Prediction:

Markus Naslund signs with the Pittsburgh Penguins for a nice price on a one-year deal.

By seasons end, he's the comeback player of the year and widely considered the steal of this free agency class.

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06-14-2008, 10:17 PM
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Funny, I think the last player that was eaten alive by the Montreal media was Alex Kovalev, the guy who they named interim captain when Koivu was out?

Under a more offensive system, and in a new city, I think Naslund still has the abilities to be a top-6 forward.
I dont think what we need is a guy that can only manage that.

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06-14-2008, 10:38 PM
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Except Selanne has been and always was a much better player then Naslund.
Better player overall and for a much longer period than Naslund no question. But always? Some people have a short memory.

2000-01 season:

Selanne...............33 goals..39 assists..72 points
Naslund...............41 goals..34 assists..75 points

2001-02 season:

Selanne..............29 goals..25 assists..54 points
Naslund..............40 goals..50 assists..90 points

2002-03 season:

Selanne.............28 goals..36 assists..64 points
Naslund.............48 goals..56 assists..104 points

2003-04 season:

Selanne.............16 goals..16 assists..32 points
Naslund.............35 goals..49 assists..84 points

For a two consecutive years, Naslund was an elite winger; while Selanne put on 2nd liner points - at best - during these same two seasons.

Naslund is at best a 2nd line winger today IMHO - but you really don't give him credit for that period of time where he was one of the most lethal left wingers in the league.


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06-14-2008, 10:45 PM
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I dont think what we need is a guy that can only manage that.
Meh. Although I agree that Naslund is nothing more then a 2nd line winger, under the right circumstances, he isn't really much less then Selanne, and I do think he could probably help the Habs win a cup.

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Better player overall and for a much longer period than Naslund no question. But always? Some people have a short memory.

2000-01 season:

Selanne...............33 goals..39 assists..72 points
Naslund...............41 goals..34 assists..75 points

2001-02 season:

Selanne..............29 goals..21 assists..54 points
Naslund..............40 goals..50 assists..90 points

2002-03 season:

Selanne.............28 goals..36 assists..54 points
Naslund.............48 goals..56 assists..104 points

2003-04 season:

Selanne.............16 goals..16 assists..32 points
Naslund.............35 goals..49 assists..84 points

For a two consecutive years, Naslund was an elite winger; while Selanne put on 2nd liner points - at best - during these same two seasons.

Naslund is at best a 2nd line winger today IMHO - but you really don't give him credit for that period of time where he was one of the most lethal left wingers in the league.

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06-14-2008, 10:48 PM
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oops....thanks for spotting that. My post has been corrected; though it really doesn't change the basic premise of my post in any way.

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must be having a terrible day - had another error in post that has since been corrected.....

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I was at one game in Van last year and Naslund and Bieksa stuck out as the most gifted. As a support player riding with a Sundin he could be very good.

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06-14-2008, 11:00 PM
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remember that naslund has been contemplating retirement even before the lockout started and even in his prime years, his playoff performances have been questioned. You gotta question his desire.

I dont know how he helps montreal win the cup. After watching the playoffs, it became clear to me that the habs aren't lacking in the skill department. But they need guys who can open up some space for the skilled guys to operate. Naslund just brings more of what the habs already have plenty of. They didn't lead the conference in scoring by fluke.

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06-14-2008, 11:14 PM
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After watching the playoffs, it became clear to me that the habs aren't lacking in the skill department. But they need guys who can open up some space for the skilled guys to operate. Naslund just brings more of what the habs already have plenty of. They didn't lead the conference in scoring by fluke.
If that's what the Habs truly need - then Naslund isn't your guy. He (or at least the way he's been playing these past few seasons) needs other players to create space him as well.

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06-14-2008, 11:31 PM
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Better player overall and for a much longer period than Naslund no question. But always? Some people have a short memory.

2000-01 season:

Selanne...............33 goals..39 assists..72 points
Naslund...............41 goals..34 assists..75 points

2001-02 season:

Selanne..............29 goals..25 assists..54 points
Naslund..............40 goals..50 assists..90 points

2002-03 season:

Selanne.............28 goals..36 assists..64 points
Naslund.............48 goals..56 assists..104 points

2003-04 season:

Selanne.............16 goals..16 assists..32 points
Naslund.............35 goals..49 assists..84 points

For a two consecutive years, Naslund was an elite winger; while Selanne put on 2nd liner points - at best - during these same two seasons.

Naslund is at best a 2nd line winger today IMHO - but you really don't give him credit for that period of time where he was one of the most lethal left wingers in the league.
Wasnt that at the time where he needed knee surgery?

Anyway Naslund was great just before the lockout. I thought he'd be great in the new NHL and picked him early in the pool but he's been on the decline.

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06-14-2008, 11:41 PM
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Wasnt that at the time where he needed knee surgery?
Maybe but IMHO his real noticable decline came after the Moore hit. He seemed to have lost that lethal wrist shot that was his main weapon after that legal hit.

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06-14-2008, 11:44 PM
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Better player overall and for a much longer period than Naslund no question. But always? Some people have a short memory.

2000-01 season:

Selanne...............33 goals..39 assists..72 points
Naslund...............41 goals..34 assists..75 points

2001-02 season:

Selanne..............29 goals..25 assists..54 points
Naslund..............40 goals..50 assists..90 points

2002-03 season:

Selanne.............28 goals..36 assists..64 points
Naslund.............48 goals..56 assists..104 points

2003-04 season:

Selanne.............16 goals..16 assists..32 points
Naslund.............35 goals..49 assists..84 points

For a two consecutive years, Naslund was an elite winger; while Selanne put on 2nd liner points - at best - during these same two seasons.

Naslund is at best a 2nd line winger today IMHO - but you really don't give him credit for that period of time where he was one of the most lethal left wingers in the league.
in 2 of those seasons selanne was being choked up in sutters defensive system in san jose. naslund was still a better player in those 2 seasons but the difference is closer than people think.

as for the third, selanne had a knee problem and was being played on the third line, so yea, naslund was the better player no contest

as for saying naslund has more in the tank left. thats bull. selanne's post lockout play has been much better than naslunds and last year is proof, selanne still has some more in the tank

apparently on canada.com naslund sold his house in vancouver. purely coincidence or a telltale of things to come?? naslund is still second line material, its hard to tell who'll sign him at this point though. id like to think possibly montreal despite the frenzied media

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06-15-2008, 12:08 AM
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Marcus who?

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Maybe but IMHO his real noticable decline came after the Moore hit. He seemed to have lost that lethal wrist shot that was his main weapon after that legal hit.
I also once thought that true, but he definitely still had the wrist shot the next season. Go to the NHL.com video of his goals against San Jose and Edmonton near the end of the 05-06 season. Wicked shots.

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There seems to be a lot of talk about Marcus Naslund's days in Vancouver being done.

IMO, I would rather Gainey look at Naslund as opposed to Hossa or Selanne. In the case of Hossa, Naslund would cost less & could be signed for a shorter term.

In the case of Selanne, I feel Naslund would probably have more left in the tank than Teemu.
You don't seem to know a lot about hockey.

The only place outside of Vancouver I would see him land would be for New York Islanders because they have nobody. And the Pens because they may want to get guys for cheap after their big signings.

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At this price
, let's bring him in.

Naslund has more potential than Smokes, Dandeneault and some else (need some help here).

If he restarts his career for two or three years...

One thing for sure, we have the team to revive almost anyone.
At this price, he fits in my third liner UFA.
are you willing to pay a third liner 3-4 million a year?

The last thing the habs need is a soft perimeter offensive player. I thought years of this would teach some hab fans. While we are at it, lets find out what Czerkawski and Berezin are up to.

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are you willing to pay a third liner 3-4 million a year?

The last thing the habs need is a soft perimeter offensive player. I thought years of this would teach some hab fans. While we are at it, lets find out what Czerkawski and Berezin are up to.

czerkawski was doing well in the swiss league, last time i checked

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My apologies to all those who got their knickers in a knot because I used a c as opposed to a k.


Markus Naslund, is that better???

I laugh at those who say Selanne was smoothered by Sutter's style of coaching, yet ignore the fact Vigneault's style is more defensive than Sutter's which would have effected Naslund's numbers IMO.


BTW, Sundin & Naslund??? That's probably to much $$$ for Gainey's blood IMO.

Oh well, it make for some good dialog & debating.

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time will tell,

but markus will have to find his game fast, as it has gone in the tank.


2 mill a year, and put him 3rd line

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I say $5 mill per, for 3 seasons, play him with Higgins & Koivu.

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I say $5 mill per, for 3 seasons, play him with Higgins & Koivu.
you are backing up this guy,

well good for you, let's see how it plays out

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I think with Naslund you'd basically have to be rolling the dice that all he needs is a change of scenery and a fresh start, not that he's actually losing it. It might be a fair gamble to take IMHO, but only as a contingency plan, not as a priority.

And as a contingency, I'd only be looking at signing him short term and for considerably less $$$ than he's used to. I don't know what might be out there for him on the UFA market this year, but generally speaking things get a little crazy, so by placing such limits on his value to us, I'm pretty sure he would end up elsewhere. Which is fine.

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I agree, he is not the first player you look at, but he is certainly not a player that is ignored either.

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I think with Naslund you'd basically have to be rolling the dice that all he needs is a change of scenery and a fresh start, not that he's actually losing it. It might be a fair gamble to take IMHO, but only as a contingency plan, not as a priority.

And as a contingency, I'd only be looking at signing him short term and for considerably less $$$ than he's used to. I don't know what might be out there for him on the UFA market this year, but generally speaking things get a little crazy, so by placing such limits on his value to us, I'm pretty sure he would end up elsewhere. Which is fine.
Sounds a whole lot like Sergei Samsonov all over again.

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