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06-15-2008, 04:04 PM
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D men prospects

Can we rank the D Men prospcts on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of
a) Potential
b) NHL readiness/years to become a contributor
c) Role on the team

Ryan McDonagh
P.K. Subban
Yannick Weber
Pavel Valentenko
Alexei Yemelin
M Carle
Fischer
O'byrne
Paquette



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My ranking is:

1- R. McDonagh
2- A. Emelin
3- P. Valentenko
4- R. O'Bryne
5- D. Fischer
6- M. Carle
7- Y. Weber
8- PK Subban
9- J. Stejskal
10- P. Paquette

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1.R. Mcdonagh
2.A. Emelin
3.R. O'byrne
4.P. Valentenko
5.Y. Weber
6.PK Subban
7.M. Carle
8.D. Fisher
9 K. Korneev
10. P. Paquet

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1. Ryan McDonagh Pot: 10(highest) NHL readiness: 2+ Role: top 4 d-man
2. P.K. Subban Pot: 9 NHL: 4, maybe 3 Role: 5-6 d-man, PP specialist
3. Fischer Pot: 8 NHL: a project, at least 3 years, probably 4 role: top 4 d-man.
4. O'byrne Pot: 7 NHL: as soon as next year Role: 4th d-man maybe, solid defensively.
5. Pavel Valentenko Pot 7 NHL: 1 year away,with some callups if injuries next year role: 6th dman, solid defense, good shot.
6. Alexei Yemelin Pot: 6 NHL: hard to say, depends if he comes over role: bruising d-man. Hard physically.
7. Webber Pot: 7 NHL: 4 years, maybe 3 role: PP quaterback
8. Carle Pot: 6 NHL: 2-3 years away role: 2nd wave PP, good puck moving D, seems to be ordinary in D coveage from the limited time I saw him.
9. Paquette dunno

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David Fischer is my #1 <3<3<3<3

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When will McDonagh come with us?

Everybody says he is the top. Let's bring him NOW!
Give him another year at least in college, no need to rush him.

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Can we rank the D Men prospcts on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of
a) Potential
b) NHL readiness/years to become a contributor
c) Role on the team

Ryan McDonagh
P.K. Subban
Yannick Weber
Pavel Valentenko
Alexei Yemelin
M Carle
Fischer
O'byrne
Paquette


Thank you.

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1.R. Mcdonagh
2.A. Emelin
3.PK Subban
4.P. Valentenko
5.Y. Weber
6.M. Carle
7.D. Fisher
8 K. Korneev
9. P. Paquet

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1) McDonagh
2) Subban
3) Weber
4) Valentenko
5) Fischer
6) Carle
7) Paquette

Emelin and Korneev I wouldn't rate. Korneev is more than likely never coming over and we'll have to see with Emelin. I think he'll only come over for a spot on the habs, which he won't get, so I doubt he ever comes over. Then again, it's pretty much this summer, or never.

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Can we rank the D Men prospcts on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of
a) Potential
b) NHL readiness/years to become a contributor
c) Role on the team

Ryan McDonagh
P.K. Subban
Yannick Weber
Pavel Valentenko
Alexei Yemelin
M Carle
Fischer
O'byrne
Paquette


McDonagh
O'Byrne
Subban
Valentenko
Fischer
Weber
Carle
Paquet
Stejskal
Torp

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Can we rank the D Men prospcts on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of
a) Potential
b) NHL readiness/years to become a contributor
c) Role on the team

Ryan McDonagh
P.K. Subban
Yannick Weber
Pavel Valentenko
Alexei Yemelin
M Carle
Fischer
O'byrne
Paquette


The way I see them...

The most potential 1-McDonagh 2-Yemelin(but he may never come) 3-Subban 4-Fischer 5-O'byrne

The most advanced...

1-Yemelin 2-O'byrne 3-Valentenko 4-McDonagh 5-Carle

Role on the team...

Ryan McDonagh...do everything pretty well #2 type who play PP Pk and late minutes
P.K. Subban...2nd pair guy who is mostly offensive, average defensively, plays a lot of PP
Yannick Weber...PP specialist who is #4-5
Pavel Valentenko...shutdown #2-3 guy
Alexei Yemelin...similar to McDonagh but more physical but not as skilled
M Carle...see Weber but not as good
Fischer...mobile 2 way #3 guy who chips in offensively
O'byrne...big physical stay at home guy, #3-4
Paquet...have not seen him in 2-3 years, solid #5-6 from what I hear

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Ryan McDonagh Best potential, best role on the team

Pavel Valentenko most NHL ready, aggressive role on the team

David Fischer great defensive role on the team, AHL Ready

P.K. Subban Good potential, future contributor to PP

Yannick Weber realy good potential to become a top 3 defensemen

M Carle Has improved significantly since he was drafted, offensive role on the team

Alexei Yemelin Agressive role on the team, Good potential

K. Korneev L'énigmatic Kostantin, could be a Streit without defensive flaws

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David Fischer is my #1 <3<3<3<3
I hope you were not being sarcastic, but I gotta say I LOVE that guy too. He's still far away, but I love the potential. I put him 3rd simply cause Subban's max potential is sky high, but almost impossible to reach. Fischer is truly my close second. but he will take much longer to reach the NHL than McDonagh, which keeps him second.

When all is said and done, I think it might be hard to choose between Fischer and McDonagh.

His reach, at 6-4, is really good and he's got good skating. In the little time I saw him(dev camp), I saw good abilities from him. Seems like a good passer too.

I can't wait to see him as a Habs, but I'll have to. For at least 2 years probably.

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McDonagh
O'Byrne
Subban
Valentenko
Fischer
Weber
Carle
Paquet
Stejskal
Torp
Anyone know how Torp has been doing if he got back from his injury?

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When will McDonagh come with us?

Everybody says he is the top. Let's bring him NOW!
You should know that a D-Man takes at least a couple of years to develop. Don't expect McDonagh to be a regular before MAYBE late in 2009-2010 or 2010-2011.

As for a couple of years ago, I wanted the Habs to draft Bobby Sanguinetti. This kid is exactly what we lack in our system : a good two-way D-Man able to play both defensively and offensively and putting up great numbers offesensively.

As for my ranking :

1. McDonagh
2. Emelin
3. Subban
4. Weber
5. Fischer
6. O'Byrne
7. Valentenko
8. Carle

As for the others, I do no know them so much... I ranked them in order of potential, and even though I was not sold on this Subban kid, I was impressed by his talent in the Memorial Cup tournament. This kid is gonna make it to the NHL, no doubt, he seems like a great mix between Streit and Schubert. Great offensive abilities, lot of speed, a HARD, but HARD shot, but he also can be physical and gritty at times.


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You should know that a D-Man takes at least a couple of years to develop. Don't expect McDonagh to be a regular before MAYBE late in 2009-2010 or 2010-2011.

As for a couple of years ago, I wanted the Habs to draft Bobby Sanguinetti. This kid is exactly what we lack in our system : a good two-way D-Man able to play both defensively and offensively and putting up great numbers offesensively.
Sanguinetti is one dimensional, he's soft as a pancake.

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Sanguinetti is one dimensional, he's soft as a pancake.
Maybe, but so are a couple of great D-Men in the league... I mean... we lack of offensive D-Men in the system. We just have PK Subban and maybe Carle and Weber. And Fischer is leaning more and more towards being known as a bust.

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Can we rank the D Men prospcts on a scale of 1 to 10 in terms of
a) Potential
b) NHL readiness/years to become a contributor
c) Role on the team

Ryan McDonagh
P.K. Subban
Yannick Weber
Pavel Valentenko
Alexei Yemelin
M Carle
Fischer
O'byrne
Paquette


Potential

1-McDonagh
2-Yemelin
3-Weber
4-Subban
5-Fischer
6-Valentenko
7-O'Byrne
8-Carle
9-Paquet

NHL Readiness

1-O'Byrne
2-Valentenko
3-Yemelin
4-Carle
5-Paquet
6-McDonagh
7-Subban
8-Weber
9-Fischer

Role on the team

McDonagh : I might be wrong, but when I look him play, I see the good Wade Redden (not the one of the last years). No1 all around D.
O'Byrne : Good 2nd or 3rd pairing guy, huge stay at home with good skating, if he ever could become more physical consistently... Mattias Norstrom ?
Valentenko : Big physical and aggressive D, with decent all around skills. Ruslan Salei or Vitali Vishnevski ?
Yemelin : Apart from the juniors, never saw him play... a slightly better Danny Markov ?
Carle : Liked what I saw of him in last year's preseason. Some kind of Eric Desjardins ?
Paquet : Never saw him play, but from the reports, seem like a very aggressive and physical type of player, even over-aggressive. Don't know much about his skill level...
Subban : He's a beauty to watch when he's handling the puck, but even thought he improved his D zone coverage, you can see he's not at ease... but his rushes are something to see, some kind of more physical Oleg Tverdovsky or Sandis Ozolinsh ?
Weber : He seems so calm, doesn't panic, not flashy but very efficient. Brian Rafalski ?
Fischer : A project that's taking the time a project should take... he's the one I thought the Habs would take, but not the one I wanted. Anyway, he's big, good skater and passer, but what kind of D does he project to be ? Not offensive from what I can read, mostly 2-way or even stay-at-home. Tough to gauge...

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Still nothing about Korneev...
That 3 ranking is very old and has never been updated.... a better assesment is at Russianprospects.com.

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Given what I read, he should be in top-5 or even top-3 prospects among those 10.
He played consistent minutes with the russian team at 24 years old.
He seems NHL ready.

Hope Markov talked to him about the Habs...
I'm a huge Korneev fan as you've seen in my posts about him.... Natey is too.... We'll add you to the club.

P.S. anybody seen Natey??

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1. McDonagh, Top paring potential, 2-3 years away
2. Valentenko, #3 potential, 1-2 years away
3. O'Byrne, 2nd pairing potential, NHL ready
4. Emelin, #4/#5 potential, 2-3 years away
5. PK Subban, PP QB, bottom pairing/4th liner, 2-3 years away
6. Fischer, #4/#5 potential,, 3-4 years away

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I hope you were not being sarcastic, but I gotta say I LOVE that guy too. He's still far away, but I love the potential. I put him 3rd simply cause Subban's max potential is sky high, but almost impossible to reach. Fischer is truly my close second. but he will take much longer to reach the NHL than McDonagh, which keeps him second.

When all is said and done, I think it might be hard to choose between Fischer and McDonagh.

His reach, at 6-4, is really good and he's got good skating. In the little time I saw him(dev camp), I saw good abilities from him. Seems like a good passer too.

I can't wait to see him as a Habs, but I'll have to. For at least 2 years probably.
no, i really do love him! He's my favourite habs prospect.

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People are really underestimating Fischer, the guy is better than it appears in the stats. I don't think he has more potential than McDo, but the guy is good.

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Of course you can count me in!

Some posters are going bizerk over McDonagh being invited in the W-20. I am very happy to.
Meanwhile Korneev is a full member of the Russian National team for the last two years (at 23 and 24).
And almost nobody sees him in our top prospects.


This is one of our best prospects. In this wondeerfull interview that was published today, Timmins seems to say that he is asking for a guaranteed spot in our roster:
"He played really well at the world championships. So it's still being discussed. It's difficult with those types of players because you almost have to promise them a place in the National Hockey League. With where our team finished, it's pretty difficult to make any promises."
I am sure we can offer him a deal. We can try him without a two-way contract.
We could be stuck with entry level contracts but we could put bonuses.
But it is not about money, this guy wants to play at the only level that is higher than RSL: NHL. Who can blame him.
Markov, Kovalev and Kosts could help him adapt.

We need three top-D, we have Markov and Komi that will be number 2 (next year).
He could be the third one.
If he is good enough for the Russian National team as a regular, he could be good enough to play 82 games with us next year.

He was playing with Semin, Markov, Kovalchuk, Ovechkin, Nabokov, Federov. Not a bad team.
Was Brunnstrom or Wheeler part of their National team?

May be Gainey has a surprise in bank for us.

BTW, Did Emelin made the national team this year?

We now that Subban, Emelin, McDonagh, Fisher and Weber won't even make the AHL this year.
I've heard great things, and your points are excellent, for me however, I didn't include him because I know little to nothing about him. Hard to go qild over him, though he could be the SK...

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Some posters are going bizerk over McDonagh being invited in the W-20. I am very happy to.
Meanwhile Korneev is a full member of the Russian National team for the last two years (at 23 and 24).
And almost nobody sees him in our top prospects.


I am sure we can offer him a deal. We can try him without a two-way contract. We could be stuck with entry level contracts but we could put bonuses.But it is not about money, this guy wants to play at the only level that is higher than RSL: NHL. Who can blame him.BTW, Did Emelin made the national team this year?We now that Subban, Emelin, McDonagh, Fisher and Weber won't even make the AHL this year.
Korneev is NOT a prospect, he's 24 and has played 6 years in the RSL.

As for the National team, Korneev didn't make the team last year, he only played as an injury fill in for Markov. Emelin made the team last year, didn't make it this year.

Korneev would have to sign a two way contract.

He's under contract with CSKA for next year and the NHL just came out and said that due to the IIHF-NHL PTA expired, teams can not sign players from Euro league teams that are under contract currently.

Weber will be in Hamilton next season. Subban, Paquet will be there the following season likely with McDonagh and or Fischer.

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People are really underestimating Fischer, the guy is better than it appears in the stats. I don't think he has more potential than McDo, but the guy is good.
McDonagh was way more impressive in his freshman year then Fischer was in his freshman year and Fischer played on a stronger team. McDonagh is one of the types that can do just about everything, whereas Fischer struggles with the physical aspects of the game and his offensive game has been a problem for him. I don't think McDonagh will be known for his offensive game either, but he's shown more confidence in the offensive zone then Fischer did and by a good margin.

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Anyone know how Torp has been doing if he got back from his injury?
I've asked and haven't heard anything yet.


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