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SCF Gm.2: Calgary Flames @ Tampa Bay Lightning l Bolts 4-1 l Series Tied 1-1

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05-30-2004, 06:33 PM
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Lightning fan. I'm not *****ing about the Flames, I'm *****ing about the perversion of the application of the rules over the last 10 or so years. The Flames only do what the league allows them to do. I don't like it, but there is no point in blaming the Flames; they are winning the only way they possibly can given the assets they have.
The irony of that is that the Red Wings obstruct, clutch and grab as much and as well as anyone in the NHL. It has nothing to do with talent. It has everything to do with speed. The slower team in any game invariably resorts to obstruction to negate the advantage.

In the case of this series, both teams are doing it a fair bit. Anyone who doesnt think the Lightning is at it as much as the Flames is deluding themselves.

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05-30-2004, 06:39 PM
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Explain what has happened to the 70+ goal scorers and 120+ point producers if it's not the increase in obstruction and interference.

You did see obstruction and interference back then. But you (usually) saw the offending party take a seat for a couple of minutes. St Louis has had more Flames attempt to give him a dose of prison love in this series more than Gretzky got in the first 15 years of his career. But now it's called "good defense" instead of a penalty.
What happened?

Let's see... changes to goalie equipment... video reply for teams to mull over, and start making new defense systems (which is HUGE) and abilities to recognize strengths and weaknesses in other teams systems... a rulebook the size of a novel, as opposed to the 16 page one it started out with... to name a few.

What changed is that when the instegator rule was taken out, enforcers were not allowed to protect their star players. Maybe you should stop whining about the tough love treatment St Louis gets, because Iginla gets the same treatment, as does any star. If you really did know about hockey back then, then you would know that Gretzkey protected by his enforcers, not the rules. It has NOTHING to do with rules.

Actually, alot of th elbstruction and interference was not called; in fact, it was more loosely called back then, then now.

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05-30-2004, 07:09 PM
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Explain what has happened to the 70+ goal scorers and 120+ point producers if it's not the increase in obstruction and interference.
The influx of European players driving up the overall caliber of NHL players.

The NHL expanded by 15 teams 12 years with no appreciable increase in the talent pool. The end result is the 80s and early 90s, where players who didnt even belong in the AHL were playing in the NHL, allowing the truely talented players to humiliate them on a daily basis.

Scoring went down as more and more European players came to North America, replacing those lesser talented Canadians and Americans.


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The influx of European players driving up the overall caliber of NHL players. But, expanding by 15 teams 12 years with no appreciable increase in the talent pool. The end result is the 80s and early 90s, where players who didnt even belong in the AHL were playing in the NHL, allowing the truely talented players to humiliate them on a daily basis.

Scoring went down as more and more European players came to North America, replacing those lesser talented Canadians and Americans.
Interesting theory. It's interesting because it's a complete 180 of the general "dilluted talent pool due to over-expansion" idea, and yours actually holds a lot more ground in comparison to the more accepted theory.

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05-30-2004, 07:28 PM
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Interesting theory. It's interesting because it's a complete 180 of the general "dilluted talent pool due to over-expansion" idea, and yours actually holds a lot more ground in comparison to the more accepted theory.
Unfortunately, it is not my theory, only one that I bought into a while ago.

The Olympics also point to the accuracy of this theory, as the games between the six most talented teams (Canada, USA, Russia, Czech Rep., Finland, Sweden) averaged about as many goals as you find in a typical NHL game. In fact, I think it was a little below an average NHL game. Though the sample size is rather small.

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