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06-17-2008, 05:01 PM
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wait....you wouldnt trade Pleks to get the 6th pick???

i love Pleky, but the 6th pick in a very strong top 10 draft is nothing to scoff at...
Yeah let's trade Tomas Plekanec and hope we draft a guy that turns out to be as good as Tomas Plekanec. That makes sense.

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06-17-2008, 05:05 PM
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No way I trade Pleks. Higgins I'd move for Filatov in a long island minute though.

Heck I'd probably move Higgins, Maxwell and Grabovski for Filatov.

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No way I trade Pleks. Higgins I'd move for Filatov in a long island minute though.

Heck I'd probably move Higgins, Maxwell and Grabovski for Filatov.

& you replace Higgins with who next season??

Greg Stewart???

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06-17-2008, 05:17 PM
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& you replace Higgins with who next season??

Greg Stewart???
Brian Rolston?

Tough to move Higgins but if such a deal could be made...be tempting

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Rolston is believed to a deal in place with the Wild already!!!

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What's this? Surely poeple don't seriously think Gainey would trade a roster player to move up in the draft?? Unless it was for Stamkos?

Otherwise you guys are smokin' better stuff than I am; pass it over.

And while you're at it, Filatov WHO? The guy hasn't played a game in the NHL and with these Russkies you dunno what you're gonna get. Maybe a big fat nothing, if a RSL club ponies up.

No way, NONE, no way does BG throw away a guy like Higgins or Plekanec to move up in a frickin DRAFT. Just incredible what I read here sometimes.

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06-17-2008, 05:40 PM
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Im not sure we're trying to move up in the draft. If we do grab another first round pick i have a feeling its to dish out in a trade.
Not expecting much out of this draft for us.

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06-17-2008, 05:42 PM
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Brian Rolston?

Tough to move Higgins but if such a deal could be made...be tempting
So we trade one of our top six forwards for a draft pick, "in hopes" we can land an UFA, eh???

That sounds just a wee-bit dangerous to me, especially if this team is expected to challenge for the final four next spring.

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06-17-2008, 05:43 PM
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What's this? Surely poeple don't seriously think Gainey would trade a roster player to move up in the draft?? Unless it was for Stamkos?

Otherwise you guys are smokin' better stuff than I am; pass it over.

And while you're at it, Filatov WHO? The guy hasn't played a game in the NHL and with these Russkies you dunno what you're gonna get. Maybe a big fat nothing, if a RSL club ponies up.

No way, NONE, no way does BG throw away a guy like Higgins or Plekanec to move up in a frickin DRAFT. Just incredible what I read here sometimes.
Kinda hard to play an NHL game BEFORE getting Drafted!

You can pretty much say the same for almost every single player in the draft..except for players like Stamkos..or like Ovechkin..Malkin..Crosby..Tavares...you're never certain how your draft pick will develop.

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06-17-2008, 06:02 PM
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Kinda hard to play an NHL game BEFORE getting Drafted!

You can pretty much say the same for almost every single player in the draft..except for players like Stamkos..or like Ovechkin..Malkin..Crosby..Tavares...you're never certain how your draft pick will develop.
Now before we all induct Stamkos into the HOF, just remember guys like Gratton, Stefan, Daigle, Legwand, Marleau, Phillips, Berard, Redden, Jovanovski, Tverdovsky, Hamrlik, Yashin...

All sure fire top superstars taken in the top 3, all of equal expectations. Sure, some have gone on to have successful careers, but all fell short of their lofty billing.

Stamkos is not a generational talent.


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06-17-2008, 06:15 PM
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A trade with the Pittsburgh Penguins for the negotiating rights to winger Ryan Malone could be struck today or, more likely, Wednesday, NHL sources told The Dispatch.

Meanwhile, the Blue Jackets continue to make and receive calls for the sixth and 19th overall picks in this weekend's NHL draft, hoping to use either to land a No. 1 center.

"There's lots of interest," Blue Jackets general manager Scott Howson said. "I'm taking as many calls as I'm making right now."

San Jose, Ottawa, Florida and Montreal are interested in one of the Blue Jackets' first two picks, NHL sources say
, but such a trade wouldn't likely go down until after the first five picks play out Friday.

"Having gone through this before, you almost expect to get a phone call from a team you haven't even spoken to yet," Howson said recently. "I know that we'll get action on the No. 6 pick, probably right up until it's time for us to make the pick."
I would think if the Habs were talking it would be for the 19th choice as I don't see much need of anyone in the top 6 except Filatov. All those dmen are good but I not sure they are great talents to give up a bunch of picks and players. If they got 19 and 25 then they can take a chance on one player and get the one they are targeting at 25. Ness and Colbourne are ones you can take a chance on.

I find it kinda quiet in Habland so far, not much coming out of TT or BG about their plans. No one has been able to get the list of 33 players they invited to the Bell Center Combine. Only thing I read was 19 from the Q and 3 other players from the Montreal area so the other 11 must be OHL or USHL type players headed to college.

As much as I would like an extra 1st rounder I think I would prefer to get a couple 2nds from Phoenix (between 30 and 40) A lot of interesting prospects in that area.

After reading the TSN mock draft and then taking the average from all the other scouting combines it looks good for picking guys like Paquette Schultz Poulin with 3rd round picks .

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06-17-2008, 06:41 PM
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Chances are it's in pursuit of the 19th, not the 6th. Maybe the guy we want won't be available (Or Gainey and Timmons are worried he'll be taken) at the 25th spot but SHOULD be at the 19th. I doubt this is for the 6th. We'd likely have to give Pleks to get the 6th - BTW; no thanks!
If it's to swap the 25th for the 19th overall, I can't see them having serious discussions now. It's doubtful that there's a particular player who will be guaranteed to go between 19th and 24th. It wouldn't be worth the risk to trade away assets now to move up a few spots for a player who should go in those spots. It's strictly a draft day deal, specifically when it will be Columbus' turn to pick.

On the other hand, I can see the Habs trying to get the 19th overall outright. They might have a sleeper pick on their list who they feel will definitely be gone by the 56th overall pick, but very likely available at 25th -- which would be too early to take him unless they had another 1st round pick.

But maybe it is for the 6th overall. It seems like the Habs every year sniff around the top picks. And it also seems that Columbus is the team that gets sniffed. Like with Brassard, and last year with McDonagh, the two teams seem to have their eyes on the same player, which makes for a pretty hard trade.

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06-17-2008, 06:48 PM
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What's this? Surely poeple don't seriously think Gainey would trade a roster player to move up in the draft?? Unless it was for Stamkos?

Otherwise you guys are smokin' better stuff than I am; pass it over.

And while you're at it, Filatov WHO? The guy hasn't played a game in the NHL and with these Russkies you dunno what you're gonna get. Maybe a big fat nothing, if a RSL club ponies up.

No way, NONE, no way does BG throw away a guy like Higgins or Plekanec to move up in a frickin DRAFT. Just incredible what I read here sometimes.
I just about lost my mind sifting through the first 2 pages of this stuff. Thank god I found yours before I flipped. Now, I wouldn't say that a roster player is out of the question, but I don't see a sane Gainey dealing a "core" player (i.e. Higgs, Pleks) to move up in the draft the year before the big push. Maybe one of them in a deal that replaces them as a core element, but not as a tool to move up.

Come on folks, stay with us here... let's not let the imaginations run too wild. Man, Habs rumours on the internet are like chumming a shark tank.

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06-17-2008, 06:55 PM
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If it's to swap the 25th for the 19th overall, I can't see them having serious discussions now. It's doubtful that there's a particular player who will be guaranteed to go between 19th and 24th. It wouldn't be worth the risk to trade away assets now to move up a few spots for a player who should go in those spots. It's strictly a draft day deal, specifically when it will be Columbus' turn to pick.

On the other hand, I can see the Habs trying to get the 19th overall outright. They might have a sleeper pick on their list who they feel will definitely be gone by the 56th overall pick, but very likely available at 25th -- which would be too early to take him unless they had another 1st round pick.

But maybe it is for the 6th overall. It seems like the Habs every year sniff around the top picks. And it also seems that Columbus is the team that gets sniffed. Like with Brassard, and last year with McDonagh, the two teams seem to have their eyes on the same player, which makes for a pretty hard trade.
Wonder if it is Karlsson who he is trying for? But who do we give up? Difficult trade to make

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& you replace Higgins with who next season??

Greg Stewart???
Latendresse

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Wonder if it is Karlsson who he is trying for? But who do we give up? Difficult trade to make

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Or Carlson???

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Latendresse

Isn't he Ryder's replacement???

He will have to improve an aweful lot to replace both of those guys, eh???


BTW, who then takes Latendresse' spot???


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I suppose it would be possible that the Habs could pull off a 3-way to get Columbus' 6th overall.

Something along the lines of :
to CBJ: Mike Cammaleri, LA's 2nd(48th), MTL's 1st
to LA: Kyle Chipchura, Ryan O'Byrne
to MTL: 6th overall

or
to CBJ: Mike Cammaleri, Kyle Chipchura, Ryan O'Byrne
to LA: Mtl's 1st
to MTL: 6th overall

thoughts?


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I suppose it would be possible that the Habs could pull off a 3-way to get Columbus' 6th overall.

Something along the lines of :
to CBJ: Mike Cammaleri, LA's 2nd(48th), MTL's 1st
to LA: Kyle Chipchura, Ryan O'Byrne
to MTL: 6th overall

thoughts?
Gross overpayment
Two former first round picks well on their way to being core players plus a 1st... for the 6th overall? Dunno about that.

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06-17-2008, 07:27 PM
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For example, what could we get for Higgins as far as draft choice are concerned?

This means that of ALL the [B]forwards[/B ]that were picked up in 2001, Higgins is the 6th best...

Higgins numbers are a fact. So basically, for Higgins, I want nothing less than first, second or third.
It's probably me, I'm pretty sure I don't understand what you mean if so, please correct me but you're basing your opinion by comparing numbers in the same draft year? How about a bad draft year versus an incredible one? Don't you think that 2003 ate alive 2002? If I had a team in reconstruction (and for the record, I don't want to trade Higgins), is it possible that Higgins or any player is not worth to be traded in 2002 'cause it's so ordinairy but could be dealt for 2003 who, despite being hyped as one of the best, was actually one of the best? The hype was real. This year's hype is also real and moreso next year's draft.

Seeing who comes after Higgins makes me understand more that 2002 was actually a pretty ordinairy draft. It actually a proof that it was a great choice since he's #6 in PPG. It's not a proof that Higgins is worth Stamkos or is worth a Tavares or a Hedman.

Now if you do the same exercise for 2003, who comes at #6 on that list amongst all those great players? Maybe then, that #6 on a great draft should have a greater return....

Or I did miss your point completely....

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Im not suggesting that the habs trade Pleks for the 6th pick (wouldnt happen as it would take a hell of a lot more) but i dont cast it aside either. A 6th pick is worth something to a team, might not be the habs though.

Gainey did trade Iginla to the Flames for Neuwynkyk (sp?) to get the Stanley Cup.

I know that this was Plek's first PO, and that there's plenty of time for him to evolve, so although he had a terrible no show during them, i wont pass judgement until at least 3 appearences.

I understand that Filatov is not hailed as the next Malkin/Ovechkin, but he's certainly no slouch...and he's spoken on numerous accounts that he wants to come to NA, so that shouldnt be a problem.

Im willing to entertain the idea of Pleks being traded for something we could use. Especially if the habs manage to sign Sundin.

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i love these deals, we trade our top line center for a pick and our 2nd line winger for another pick, so that we can be perpetually rebuilding


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if the habs trade up, it is too get a package for the start of a trade offer

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I remember Eklund's wonderful rumor last year that we were going to trade Higgins and Komisarek to move up and get Esposito.

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I remember Eklund's wonderful rumor last year that we were going to trade Higgins and Komisarek to move up and get Esposito.

yes , that is a good point....


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Gross overpayment
Two former first round picks well on their way to being core players plus a 1st... for the 6th overall? Dunno about that.
Gross overpayment? 25th+Chipchura+O'Byrne for a superstar winger?

Would you offer a 1st, Chipchura and O'Byrne for Datsyuk or Zetterberg?

Even if Filatov doesn't pan out that well, the Habs still haven't mortgaged their future.

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