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05-28-2004, 05:42 AM
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Best Rookies - All-Time

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Player Name -- SEASON -- PTS -- TEAM
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Stastny Anton -- 1980-81 -- 85 -- COL
Robitaille Luc -- 1986-87 -- 84 -- LA
Renberg Mikael -- 1993-94 -- 82 -- PHI
Propp Brian -- 1979-80 -- 75 -- PHI
Martin Rick -- 1971-72 -- 74 -- BUF

Lukowich Morris -- 1979-80 -- 74 -- PHO
Pettersson Jorgen -- 1980-81 -- 73 -- STL
Kvartalnov Dmitri -- 1992-93 -- 72 -- BOS
Turgeon Sylvain -- 1983-84 -- 72 -- CAR
Naslund Mats -- 1982-83 -- 71 -- MTL


C

Player Name -- SEASON -- PTS -- TEAM
=================================
Gretzky Wayne -- 1979-80 -- 137 -- EDM
Stastny Peter -- 1980-81 -- 109 -- COL
Rogers Mike -- 1979-80 -- 105 -- CAR
Hawerchuk Dale -- 1981-82 -- 103 -- PHO
Juneau Joe -- 1992-93 -- 102 -- BOS

Lemieux Mario -- 1984-85 -- 100 -- PIT
Broten Neal -- 1981-82 -- 98 -- DAL
Trottier Bryan -- 1975-76 -- 95 -- NYI
Nilsson Kent -- 1979-80 -- 93 -- CGY
Nieuwendyk Joe -- 1987-88 -- 92 -- CGY
Pederson Barry -- 1981-82 -- 92 -- BOS


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Player Name -- SEASON -- PTS -- TEAM
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Selanne Teemu -- 1992-93 -- 132 -- PHO
Macdonald Blair -- 1979-80 -- 94 -- EDM
Bossy Mike -- 1977-78 -- 91 -- NYI
Larmer Steve -- 1982-83 -- 90 -- CHI
Cloutier Real -- 1979-80 -- 89 -- COL

Stastny Marian -- 1981-82 -- 89 -- COL
Makarov Sergei -- 1989-90 -- 86 -- CGY
Hedberg Anders -- 1978-79 -- 78 -- NYR
Kurri Jari -- 1980-81 -- 75 -- EDM
Borschevsky Nikolai -- 1992-93 -- 74 -- TOR


D

Player Name -- SEASON -- PTS -- TEAM
=============================
Howe Mark -- 1979-80 -- 80 -- CAR
Murphy Larry -- 1980-81 -- 76 -- LA
Leetch Brian -- 1988-89 -- 71 -- NYR
Suter Gary -- 1985-86 -- 68 -- CGY
Housley Phil -- 1982-83 -- 66 -- BUF

Bourque Ray -- 1979-80 -- 65 -- BOS
Chelios Chris -- 1984-85 -- 64 -- MTL
Beck Barry -- 1977-78 -- 60 -- NJ
Larson Reed -- 1977-78 -- 60 -- DET
Lidstrom Nicklas -- 1991-92 -- 60 -- DET




If Use "Adjusted Points" (see "Total Hockey 2 ed.")

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Player Name -- SEASON -- Adj PTS -- TEAM
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Martin Rick -- 1971-72 -- 71 -- BUF
Renberg Mikael -- 1993-94 -- 69 -- PHI
Schriner Sweeney -- 1934-35 -- 69 -- NYA
Robitaille Luc -- 1986-87 -- 68 -- LA
Grant Danny -- 1968-69 -- 64 -- DAL

Conacher Roy -- 1938-39 -- 64 -- BOS
Kariya Paul -- 1994-95 -- 63 -- ANA
Stastny Anton -- 1980-81 -- 61 -- COL
Olmstead Bert -- 1949-50 -- 61 -- CHI
Propp Brian -- 1979-80 -- 59 -- PHI

C

Player Name -- SEASON -- Adj PTS -- TEAM
======================================
Gretzky Wayne -- 1979-80 -- 107 -- EDM
Rogers Mike -- 1979-80 -- 82 -- CAR
Apps C.J. Syl -- 1936-37 -- 81 -- TOR
Forsberg Peter -- 1994-95 -- 78 -- COL
Stastny Peter -- 1980-81 -- 77 -- COL

Trottier Bryan -- 1975-76 -- 75 -- NYI
Juneau Joe -- 1992-93 -- 75 -- BOS
Lemieux Mario -- 1984-85 -- 75 -- PIT
Hawerchuk Dale -- 1981-82 -- 74 -- PHO
Nilsson Kent -- 1979-80 -- 73 -- CGY
Nieuwendyk Joe -- 1987-88 -- 73 -- CGY


R

Player Name -- SEASON -- Adj PTS -- TEAM
=======================================
Selanne Teemu -- 1992-93 -- 103 -- PHO
Bossy Mike -- 1977-78 -- 78 -- NYI
Macdonald Blair -- 1979-80 -- 74 -- EDM
Dillon Ceece -- 1931-32 -- 72 -- NYR
Geoffrion Bernie -- 1951-52 -- 71 -- MTL

Cloutier Real -- 1979-80 -- 70 -- COL
Heatley Dany -- 2001-02 -- 70 -- ATL
Larmer Steve -- 1982-83 -- 68 -- CHI
Ryder Michael -- 2003-04 -- 67 -- MTL !!!!!!!!!!
Makarov Sergei -- 1989-90 -- 65 -- CGY

DEF

Player Name -- SEASON -- Adj PTS -- TEAM
======================================
Howe Mark -- 1979-80 -- 62 -- CAR
Zidlicky Marek -- 2003-04 -- 55 -- NSH !!!!!!!!!!!
Leetch Brian -- 1988-89 -- 54 -- NYR
Murphy Larry -- 1980-81 -- 53 -- LA
Bourque Ray -- 1979-80 -- 50 -- BOS

Beck Barry -- 1977-78 -- 50 -- NJ
Tallon Dale -- 1970-71 -- 49 -- VAN
Larson Reed -- 1977-78 -- 49 -- DET
Suter Gary -- 1985-86 -- 49 -- CGY
Housley Phil -- 1982-83 -- 49 -- BUF
Svehla Robert -- 1995-96 -- 48 -- FLA


without taking into account age


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You left off the best of them all, Nels Stewart. In his 1925-26 rookie season, he led the league in goals and points, while finishing second in PIM. He's the only rookie in NHL history to win the Hart Trophy. His 34 goals, in 36 games, stood as the rookie record until Perreault scored 38, in 78 games, in 70-71. He also was the playoff MVP as he scored 6 of his teams 10 goals, including all 3 game winners, in the Maroons Stanley Cup victory over Victoria.

GP 36 G 34 A 8 Pts 42 PIM 119 Adjusted G 61 A 53 Pts 114

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You left off the best of them all, Nels Stewart. In his 1925-26 rookie season, he led the league in goals and points, while finishing second in PIM. He's the only rookie in NHL history to win the Hart Trophy. His 34 goals, in 36 games, stood as the rookie record until Perreault scored 38, in 78 games, in 70-71. He also was the playoff MVP as he scored 6 of his teams 10 goals, including all 3 game winners, in the Maroons Stanley Cup victory over Victoria.

GP 36 G 34 A 8 Pts 42 PIM 119 Adjusted G 61 A 53 Pts 114
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You left off the best of them all, Nels Stewart. In his 1925-26 rookie season, he led the league in goals and points, while finishing second in PIM. He's the only rookie in NHL history to win the Hart Trophy. His 34 goals, in 36 games, stood as the rookie record until Perreault scored 38, in 78 games, in 70-71. He also was the playoff MVP as he scored 6 of his teams 10 goals, including all 3 game winners, in the Maroons Stanley Cup victory over Victoria.

GP 36 G 34 A 8 Pts 42 PIM 119 Adjusted G 61 A 53 Pts 114

Sorry
Has overlooked warn

I use Players started to play after 1929-30

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Player Name -- SEASON -- Adj PTS -- TEAM
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Blair Andy -- 1928-29 -- 137 -- TOR
Irvin Dick -- 1926-27 -- 129 -- CHI
Stewart Nels -- 1925-26 -- 113 -- MTM
Gretzky Wayne -- 1979-80 -- 107 -- EDM
Boucher Frank -- 1926-27 -- 104 -- NYR
Selanne Teemu -- 1992-93 -- 103 -- PHO
Frederickson Frank -- 1926-27 -- 102 -- BOS
Lalonde Newsy -- 1918-19 -- 100 -- MTL
Green Red -- 1924-25 -- 98 -- HAM
Bailey Ace I. -- 1926-27 -- 97 -- TOR

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Should also point out that none of Gretzky, Lukowich, Rogers, Nilsson, MacDonald, Cloutier, Hedberg, Howe, Irving or Boucher were considered rookies by the NHL. All played in other "major leagues" be for playing in the NHL. Also the 100 point year by Lalonde was his second year in the NHL and he also wasn't a "rookie" in the NHL.

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Also the 100 point year by Lalonde was his second year in the NHL and he also wasn't a "rookie" in the NHL.
My fault
I use modern NHL rule for rookies - < 26 games in previos season
but MTL in 1917-18 played total 22 games

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selanne definately was one of the greatest rookies to break into the league. Probably the last rookie to score over 100 points.

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An interesting question I've pondered a few times:

Are Selanne's rookie records "more unbreakable" than Gretzky's general records? Not that I'm predicting any of these are breakable the way the game is now, but with all the best young players breaking into the league at an increasingly younger age, it seems likely to me that we won't ever see a top offensive talent like Selanne come into the NHL as a mature 22 year old with developed skills.

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An interesting question I've pondered a few times:

Are Selanne's rookie records "more unbreakable" than Gretzky's general records? Not that I'm predicting any of these are breakable the way the game is now, but with all the best young players breaking into the league at an increasingly younger age, it seems likely to me that we won't ever see a top offensive talent like Selanne come into the NHL as a mature 22 year old with developed skills.
Isn't Ryder 23 or something. I do agree though - and I hate hearing people saying that a player is the best young player because he's in the running for the Calder... Kovalchuk is over 2 years younger than Ryder, and yet Ryder is the rookie.

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YOu can adjust for scoring based on the era, but it's difficult to adjust for age and teammates...many of these rookies played at 18-19 and for sad sack teams, while others had the luxary of some decent linemates...Selanne was 22, had Housley, Zhamnov, Steen, Olausson, Numinen and a young Tkachuk to play with...

Lemieux for example , 18 playing with...Warren Young, Doug Shedden and Wayne Babych...for example...

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Some of the players up there were not considered rookies by the NHL (i.e., not allowed to be considered in voting for the ROY award). Guys like Howe, Hedberg, and Lukowich had played several years in the WHA and were ruled "pros" by the NHL.

I always felt it was unfair to call guys like Markov, Stansky, and Teemu "rookies" because they had consider experience against elite teams in their own countries. Markov's competition, for example, was NHL-caliber.

P.S. Ryder's "projected" numbers are impressive, but I still think Raycroft deserves the award this year!

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You left off the best of them all, Nels Stewart. In his 1925-26 rookie season, he led the league in goals and points, while finishing second in PIM. He's the only rookie in NHL history to win the Hart Trophy. His 34 goals, in 36 games, stood as the rookie record until Perreault scored 38, in 78 games, in 70-71. He also was the playoff MVP as he scored 6 of his teams 10 goals, including all 3 game winners, in the Maroons Stanley Cup victory over Victoria.

GP 36 G 34 A 8 Pts 42 PIM 119 Adjusted G 61 A 53 Pts 114
I believe Danny Grant also scored 34 as a rookie in 1968-69. But that was in 75 games.

Mike Bossy probably had the best rookie GOAL scoring season ever (until Selanne came along, anyway). 53 goals EASILY broke Rick Martin's record of 44. And this was in an era when a 50 goal scorer was STILL considered amazing.

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The title of this post is also a bit strange. When I think of best rookies ever, I think of defense. Some of the boys listed wouldn't know the defensive zone if they tripped into it. Maybe "best offensive rookies ever?"

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is Peter Inachak therookie points record holder for the leafs

man I wish arookie would break that he isnt exactly a legend in the NHL.

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Are Selanne's rookie records "more unbreakable" than Gretzky's general records?
No. The longer the time period involved, the harder a record is to break.

A rookie needs one incredible year to break Selanne's record. He needs 20 consecutive incredible years to have a shot at Gretz.

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No. The longer the time period involved, the harder a record is to break.

A rookie needs one incredible year to break Selanne's record. He needs 20 consecutive incredible years to have a shot at Gretz.
Sorry, I didn't make it clear. I mean Gretzky's 212 points and 92 goals in a season records, not his career ones.

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well, would the AHL count as a professional league? Cus then a lot of those players played in the pros before the NHL.

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well, would the AHL count as a professional league? Cus then a lot of those players played in the pros before the NHL.
The WHA and old leagues that could compete for the Cup until 1926, such as the PCHA, are considered "major leagues". Play in those leagues count against your rookie year, so Joe Malone didn't set the rookie record for goals when he led the league in it's first year.

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You left out best rookie goaltenders

Goalies are players too

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Sorry, I didn't make it clear. I mean Gretzky's 212 points and 92 goals in a season records, not his career ones.
Whew. That's tough then. I'd say all three are damn difficult, and going to last for 30+ years at least.

Probably the Selanne one would be broken last, therefore slightly tougher, because you only get one shot at it in your career, vs every single year is an opportunity to gun for Gretz.

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I dont like those lists because teams like the Jets and Nords are erased from the record books. Selanne played for the JETS, and the Stastny's for the NORDIQUES. Its not like the Avs have retired Peter's number even. Disgracefull for the NHL I feel.

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If the league is really serious about reducing the size of a 'tenders equipment, I would say that at least there may be at least a movement towards more goals being scored. I doubt even a young Gretzky or Selanne would be able to pot more than guys like Kovalev in this day and age. Stifling defence and goalies with enough equipment to block 2/3's of the net don't really engender much scoring.

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You left out best rookie goaltenders

Goalies are players too
"ROOKIE GOALIES - BEST WIN-LOSE DIF."

GOALIE NAME -- Season -- GAMES -- WIN -- W-L -- Team
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Durnan Bill -- 1943-44 -- 50 -- 38 -- 33 -- MTL
Sawchuk Terry -- 1950-51 -- 70 -- 44 -- 31 -- DET
Moog Andy -- 1982-83 -- 50 -- 33 -- 25 -- EDM
Peeters Pete -- 1979-80 -- 40 -- 29 -- 24 -- PHI
Brimsek Frankie -- 1938-39 -- 43 -- 33 -- 24 -- BOS

Belfour Ed -- 1990-91 -- 74 -- 43 -- 24 -- CHI
Fuhr Grant -- 1981-82 -- 48 -- 28 -- 23 -- EDM
Rollins Al -- 1950-51 -- 40 -- 27 -- 22 -- TOR
Edwards Don -- 1977-78 -- 72 -- 38 -- 22 -- BUF
Esposito Tony -- 1969-70 -- 63 -- 38 -- 21 -- CHI


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I dont like those lists because teams like the Jets and Nords are erased from the record books. Selanne played for the JETS, and the Stastny's for the NORDIQUES. Its not like the Avs have retired Peter's number even. Disgracefull for the NHL I feel.

Got to agree with you on that one.

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