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06-19-2008, 11:36 AM
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Don't read too much into Gainey's "looking at several quebecers" response. He's playing the PR game and nothing more.
Well I do think they are interested in Deschamps, Maxime Sauvé and Dannick Paquette...three Quebec possibilities is a huge number for our first pick!

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Well I do think they are interested in Deschamps, Maxime Sauvé and Dannick Paquette...three Quebec possibilities is a huge number for our first pick!
Sauve and Paquette in the first round and I will freak out. They are not first round talents.

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more i think about it, Nicolas deschamps is just making too much sense to montreal

-great work ethic
-versatile (can play center/lw)
-good size (6-1 185lbs)
-local kid ()
-two-way players (like the habs like them)


some people are saying he will be gone before 25th (not too sure about it to be honest) but thats probably why gainey/timmins are trying to move up in the draft. but sometime the players fell in the draft for some weird reason (mcdonagh and pacioretty were both top10 on timmins list and we've got them with the 12th and 22th pick)
Well if he's selected before our pick, and one or two goaltenders are taken before us, one or two really interesting players will be available for us. Can't wait!

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Sauve and Paquette in the first round and I will freak out. They are not first round talents.
I agree, but if we do select them, I wouldn't really be that mad. I think they'll both make it to the NHL level, and they'll both be valuable. But yeah, there will be better options at that point, that's for sure.

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Don't read too much into Gainey's "looking at several quebecers" response. He's playing the PR game and nothing more.
Keep telling yourself that Swede lover

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Keep telling yourself that Swede lover
In my final list, I don't think I had us selecting one swede.

It was mostly americans.. Downing, Jokinen and Larson.

Although Larson does have a swedish last name.

But, they truly aren't first round talents aside from Deschamps who is the player I want us to get at 25 and if not available then I won't Anton Gustafsson.

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In my final list, I don't think I had us selecting one swede.

It was mostly americans.. Downing, Jokinen and Larson.

Although Larson does have a swedish last name.

But, they truly aren't first round talents aside from Deschamps who is the player I want us to get at 25 and if not available then I won't Anton Gustafsson.
Just saying it because you raved about the Swedes in the previous thread.

I thnik Deschamps too if they don't move up. People don't like comparisons but to think his career is not similar to Bergeron's career is crazy.

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I think Montreal will draft Greg Nemisz

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if that happen i would be really not a fan of nemisz

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I hope not! He can't skate

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Don't read too much into Gainey's "looking at several quebecers" response. He's playing the PR game and nothing more.
I just can't see Gainey doing that. To me he's a straight shooter all the way. I don't see why he needs to BS anyone. The Habs are said to be interested in Deschamps/M.Sauve plus others from the Q.

Personally I don't think it's a great year for the Q but I trust Timmins. I do like M.Sauve, Deschamps and to a lesser extent Paquette plus Delmas or Allen would be a good pickup imo as we need goalies in the pipeline.

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I just can't see Gainey doing that. To me he's a straight shooter all the way. I don't see why he needs to BS anyone. The Habs are said to be interested in Deschamps/M.Sauve plus others from the Q.

Personally I don't think it's a great year for the Q but I trust Timmins. I do like M.Sauve, Deschamps and to a lesser extent Paquette plus Delmas or Allen would be a good pickup imo as we need goalies in the pipeline.
I just hope it's M Sauve and not Y. Sauve he's interested in!


And while BG is a straight shooter, I don't think he'd be BS'ing when he says they are interested in several Quebecers. But they may very well pick someone else who they are also interested in. If anything BG is less likely to tip his hand. Everyone thought they would move up for Espo last year based on some of his comments. In fact it was McDonough they were after.

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Why don't you guys just ask Timmins?

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Nemisz doesn't skate that bad. Jesus! People see 'skating concerns' and they think he's got a piano tied to his back. He's lazy and opportunistic, that doesn't mean he can't keep up with NHLers in 2 years.

Beach has been noted as a poor skater, everyone seems to want that guy.

For that matter, pretty much anyone that doesn't have NHL speed right now is assumed to be a 'poor skater' in this draft.

If the Habs draft Nemisz it's because they see a lot of potential in his game and project him to be a great 2nd line winger. I'd like to think Timmins is competent enough to assess the guy's skating and mental attributes well enough to project what kind of NHLer he can become.

That's what drafting is all about: projection. You don't presume a kid like Ennis will always be a 160lb weakling with poor balance, you project him to being a man with a small, muscular build and strong legs. You also don't project Nemisz to be a soft anchor on skates just because you saw him play like that once as an 18 year old.


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I think Montreal will draft Greg Nemisz
He's soft as a butter...

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I wouldn't mind Nemisz at all. He might be this year's Getzlaf

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He's soft as a butter...
Soft as butter? Where the heck did you get that? Sure, he isn't a banger or a fighter but he's the type of player that goes to the net and takes a beating, just to put in a rebound. I don't call that soft as butter.

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06-19-2008, 03:01 PM
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Here's my 2 cents on who Timmins could be interrested in.

First I have to say that if mtl move up into the draft it would be to get Colin Wilson.

A big centerman who can play well in his own end, have a good forecheck and playmaking abilities. He's also pretty smart and has an athlete genetic. He could become a solid second line center or a good first line playing with talented winger.

I know we don't have much chance of getting him but well if we'd be drafting into the top 10 he would be definetly my guy.

Here's some other guy that wherever we pick hem I'd be happy :

Nicolas Deschamps
Being from Chicoutimi, I watched him play last year and I've seen the guy getting better and better has the season went on. A great two way center with good upside. He would be a steal in the middle of the second round but at 25, I just don't know. He's good at everything but has nothing spectacular. Well the reports said the samething about Iginla so that's why I would still take a chance on him in the first.

Corey Trivino
I don't know his size and his style of play reminds me of Ben Maxwell so for only that I would consider him as a Trevor Timmins option.

Danny Kristo
He is a great skater and he's american. With one more year in the USHL he has plenty of time to developp and become a threat in the offensive zone and a go to guy in his own end.

Aaron Ness
From Minnesota, winner of the Mr. Hockey award, a great puck moving D who's fast and thinks well the game. He's the type of player TT likes.

Others I like

Jake Allen
Kirill Petrov
Jamie Arniel
Justin Shultz
Jimmy Hayes
James Livingston
Danick Paquette
Justin Jokinen

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He's soft as a butter...
There's a difference between lazy and soft.

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Here's my 2 cents on who Timmins could be interrested in.

First I have to say that if mtl move up into the draft it would be to get Colin Wilson.

A big centerman who can play well in his own end, have a good forecheck and playmaking abilities. He's also pretty smart and has an athlete genetic. He could become a solid second line center or a good first line playing with talented winger.

I know we don't have much chance of getting him but well if we'd be drafting into the top 10 he would be definetly my guy.

...........................................

Others I like

Jake Allen
Kirill Petrov
Jamie Arniel
Justin Shultz
Jimmy Hayes
James Livingston
Danick Paquette
Justin Jokinen
We trade draft picks and/or assets just to draft a 2nd line center to compete with Maxwell in a few years? I don't see the point in that. Might as well trade up for a potential superstar or keep the 25th and hope for someone as good as Wilson.

Arniel might/should be a ND and Petrov should go to a team like Phoenix that has a ton of 2nd rounders to waste on a guy that may never come to NA.

It's likely we'll be drafting one of Hayes or Jokinen...

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06-19-2008, 03:20 PM
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"Habs also have interest in Thrashers pick...(e3)"
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=15746

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06-19-2008, 03:28 PM
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Why don't you guys just ask Timmins?
Who's to say I haven't.

Last year I was told months before the draft that the Habs were high on McDonagh, I did a mock draft article where I put us picking him and even used a pic of McDo for the article.

I was given some names for this years draft from TDG, I haven't said which ones I was told Timmins is said to be interested in, but I did use most of those names in the mock draft article I did on my site for this years draft. Others though have posted things from TDG, which I assume he's ok with someone doing.

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We trade draft picks and/or assets just to draft a 2nd line center to compete with Maxwell in a few years? I don't see the point in that. Might as well trade up for a potential superstar or keep the 25th and hope for someone as good as Wilson.

Arniel might/should be a ND and Petrov should go to a team like Phoenix that has a ton of 2nd rounders to waste on a guy that may never come to NA.

It's likely we'll be drafting one of Hayes or Jokinen...
I think that Wilson is a similiar choice of McDonagh last year. A sure NHL player. Well rounded and physically ready.

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Nemisz doesn't skate that bad. Jesus! People see 'skating concerns' and they think he's got a piano tied to his back. He's lazy and opportunistic, that doesn't mean he can't keep up with NHLers in 2 years.

Beach has been noted as a poor skater, everyone seems to want that guy.

For that matter, pretty much anyone that doesn't have NHL speed right now is assumed to be a 'poor skater' in this draft.

If the Habs draft Nemisz it's because they see a lot of potential in his game and project him to be a great 2nd line winger. I'd like to think Timmins is competent enough to assess the guy's skating and mental attributes well enough to project what kind of NHLer he can become.

That's what drafting is all about: projection. You don't presume a kid like Ennis will always be a 160lb weakling with poor balance, you project him to being a man with a small, muscular build and strong legs. You also don't project Nemisz to be a soft anchor on skates just because you saw him play like that once as an 18 year old.
He's lazy. Not very good skater. Two no draft markings, big no draft markings in Timmin's books.

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