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06-19-2008, 02:05 PM
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Smyl Assigned to Scouting Staff; Gagner Hired as Dir. of Player Development

Canucks announce new expanded roles and responsibilities for player development department ...Stan Smyl named new Director, Collegiate Scouting and Dave Gagner named new Director, Player Development Vancouver Canucks Jun 19, 2008, 2:24 PM EDT Vancouver, B.C. – Vancouver Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis today announced new responsibilities for the team’s Player Development Department. Stan Smyl has been named the team’s new Director, Collegiate Scouting and Dave Gagner has joined the club as its new Director, Player Development.

“The expansion of Stan’s role and the addition of Dave to our staff are a significant step in our continued efforts to enhance the way we develop and evaluate young players,” said Gillis. “In today’s NHL, evaluating players and supporting their growth as young professionals is imperative to a club’s success. We are committed to this important initiative and are confident that both Stan and Dave’s new roles with the club will assist us a great deal.”

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Apparently Gillis didn't think Smyl was a weak link in the chain...

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Smyl? Really?


Next thing we'll know, Delorme will be named an assistant GM.



Though it looks like a "Smyl you sucked at player development, go look at some college kids so we don't have to fire you" type of thing. Lets see how Gagner does. At least this way, we can have "Sam Gagner to the Nucks!" UFA forum topics several years down the line.

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IIRC, Smyl was the head of player personnel before, so this looks to be a minor downgrade/shift in his responsibilities.

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IIRC, Smyl was the head of player personnel before, so this looks to be a minor downgrade/shift in his responsibilities.
Yes, my thread title is worded poorly, it's more of a shift for Smyl, with the addition of Gagner to the staff.

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The Dave Gagner hiring seems like an interesting one. I guess he'll be the head of the player development team Gillis was talking about the other day.

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Yes, my thread title is worded poorly, it's more of a shift for Smyl, with the addition of Gagner to the staff.
Additionally (as for the thread title), I don't think Gagner has anything to do with scouting, only player development.

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so 4 hirings since Gillis took over, and only 1 has been a guy who's not an ex-canuck (our new CBA specialist from the Coyotes organization)...

although I guess Gagner wasn't really a canuck for long... but with him, Walter and now Smyl being repositioned, looks like the old boys network is alive and well, even with a new GM.

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Looks like they are trying to place Smyl in a position where he can do the least amount of damage. Our collegiate scouting actually tends to be pretty strong, so as long as Stan just goes in there and listens to the existing staff we shouldn't hear too much out of him.

I'm not familiar with Gagne.

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so 4 hirings since Gillis took over, and only 1 has been a guy who's not an ex-canuck (our new CBA specialist from the Coyotes organization)...

although I guess Gagner wasn't really a canuck for long... but with him, Walter and now Smyl being repositioned, looks like the old boys network is alive and well, even with a new GM.

Mellanby is not an ex-canuck.

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I'm not familiar with Gagner.
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IIRC, Smyl was the head of player personnel before, so this looks to be a minor downgrade/shift in his responsibilities.
Actually, he was the director of player development, the position Gagner is taking.

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so 4 hirings since Gillis took over, and only 1 has been a guy who's not an ex-canuck (our new CBA specialist from the Coyotes organization)...
Actually 2 (Mellanby). Gagner was a Canuck for about 30 games (though he was the key to the Bure trade), Walter for 80. I wouldn't really compare that to hiring guys like Smyl, Delorme, etc.

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Looks like they are trying to place Smyl in a position where he can do the least amount of damage. Our collegiate scouting actually tends to be pretty strong, so as long as Stan just goes in there and listens to the existing staff we shouldn't hear too much out of him.

I'm not familiar with Gagne.
Agreed. Smyl is being kept on but slowly it seems his role is being diminished. The way I see it, Gagner, Mellanby and our capologist (I've already forgotten his name) are fresh faces to the Canuck organization and should hopefully provide some fresh perspective too.

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Sam Gagners dad
I was more referring to his work-experience resume. As in how qualified he is for the job.

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so 4 hirings since Gillis took over, and only 1 has been a guy who's not an ex-canuck (our new CBA specialist from the Coyotes organization)...

although I guess Gagner wasn't really a canuck for long... but with him, Walter and now Smyl being repositioned, looks like the old boys network is alive and well, even with a new GM.
Gagner and Walter both were Canucks for a very short period of time... Smyl has been demoted in his role... and Mellanby didn't play here. Not really the same thing at all.

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And he's "definitely not a throw-in." -Brian Burke lie #247

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Ah that reminds me, didn't Kevin Weekes agent say Kevin was the Michael Jordan of hockey? Something like that? I can't remember.

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And he's "definitely not a throw-in." -Brian Burke lie #247


Brian Burke lie #248 (with respect to Gagner):

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Gagner and Walter both were Canucks for a very short period of time...
Don't you know that Burke wouldn't have wanted Jovo unless Gagner was part of the deal!

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Looks like they are trying to place Smyl in a position where he can do the least amount of damage. Our collegiate scouting actually tends to be pretty strong, so as long as Stan just goes in there and listens to the existing staff we shouldn't hear too much out of him.

I'm not familiar with Gagne.
He was THE key piece in the Pavel Bure deal.
Or so Burkie would have you believe.

Edit: looks like I've been beaten about 8 or so times...

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He was THE key piece in the Pavel Bure deal.
Or so Burkie would have you believe.

Edit: looks like I've been beaten about 8 or so times...
Haha, yah I know, but my question was more what has he been up to 'since' the Bure deal!

I'm aware he's Sam Gagner's dad, and he once played for the Canucks. But does he have any player development background or anything?

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I was more referring to his work-experience resume. As in how qualified he is for the job.
As far as I know he doesn't really have any experience other than being a pretty damned good hockey player in his day. He ran an out-door ice-rink making company up until not all that long ago. Unless maybe its a different Dave Gagner. Maybe he's had some experience in the past.

Edit: He was an assistant coach for the London Knights for 2 years.

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Who was in charge of US college scouting before? Kesler, and Umberger turned into good players, and Schneider looks good. And we can't forget Bieksa was a US College pick up.

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Haha, yah I know, but my question was more what has he been up to 'since' the Bure deal!

I'm aware he's Sam Gagner's dad, and he once played for the Canucks. But does he have any player development background or anything?
He developed his son from scratch, no?


maybe we should get Dave's wife in on the scouting team as well

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