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06-02-2008, 10:17 PM
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redden is def on my UFA list, i would be happy to have him in the lineup. he is getting a pretty bad rep lately, but he is solid Dman in my book! if strit cost more than 3mil, id save my money and go after redden i think
Solid based on what. He ranks poorly (70 to 90th range) on hits, blocked shots, and takeaways. He ranks 12th on giveaways. He earned that bad rep. We can do lots better than Redden

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06-02-2008, 10:44 PM
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Our defensemen Markov, Hamr and Komi ranked 1st 10th and 11th in giveaways, which is terrible. We need to improve there. Guess who was ranked 12th?
Do you follow the team?

That won't change at all, nor should it.

The only reason they are all ranked so high in giveaways is because of the system the team plays. The defenseman are always making quick outlets to initiate the attack. That's why Montreal led the NHL in scoring this season, because they took advantage of their great speed advantage by the defenseman hitting the forwards in full stride.

Yes, it leads to a lot of "give aways" but the give aways are in the neutral zone and don't hurt the team.

This will not change, and it shouldn't, the system is very effective.

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06-03-2008, 08:24 AM
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ahf, I am basing things on the market of UFAs.

Lookit Dude, a 33yr old Hamrlik got $5.5 mill last season, with names like Souray, Markov & Timonen on the list ahead of him.

This season the cap will rise & salaries, especially those paid to UFAs will rise as well. Redden(31) & Campbell (29) are the top two UFA D-men this summer.


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06-03-2008, 08:27 AM
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Here is last seasons top 25 salaries in the league:

Year / Top 25 players
2007-08

Rank Player Salary Team
1 Briere, Daniel $ 10,000,000 Philadelphia Flyers
2 Gomez, Scott $ 10,000,000 New York Rangers
3 Vanek, Thomas $ 10,000,000 Buffalo Sabres
4 Jagr, Jaromir $ 8,360,000 New York Rangers
5 Timonen, Kimmo $ 8,000,000 Philadelphia Flyers
6 Richards, Brad $ 7,800,000 Dallas Stars
7 Lidstrom, Nicklas $ 7,600,000 Detroit Red Wings
8 Chara, Zdeno $ 7,500,000 Boston Bruins
9 Elias, Patrik $ 7,500,000 New Jersey Devils
10 Smyth, Ryan $ 7,500,000 Colorado Avalanche
11 Lecavalier, Vincent $ 7,166,667 Tampa Bay Lightning
12 McCabe, Bryan $ 7,150,000 Toronto Maple Leafs
13 Drury, Chris $ 7,100,000 New York Rangers
14 Hossa, Marian $ 7,000,000 Pittsburgh Penguins
15 Iginla, Jarome $ 7,000,000 Calgary Flames
16 Jovanovski, Ed $ 7,000,000 Phoenix Coyotes
17 Khabibulin, Nikolai $ 6,750,000 Chicago Blackhawks
18 Niedermayer, Scott $ 6,750,000 Anaheim Ducks
19 Sakic, Joe $ 6,750,000 Colorado Avalanche
20 Datsyuk, Pavel $ 6,700,000 Detroit Red Wings
21 Thornton, Joe $ 6,670,000 San Jose Sharks
22 Gaborik, Marian $ 6,500,000 Minnesota Wild
23 Luongo, Roberto $ 6,500,000 Vancouver Canucks
24 Redden, Wade $ 6,500,000 Ottawa Senators
25 Pronger, Chris $ 6,250,000 Anaheim Ducks

& realistically, how many in the top ten deserve to be paid what they were for the 07/08 season.


It's all about market prices & what is available.

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06-03-2008, 08:49 AM
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Here is last seasons top 25 salaries in the league:

Year / Top 25 players
2007-08

Rank Player Salary Team
1 Briere, Daniel $ 10,000,000 Philadelphia Flyers
2 Gomez, Scott $ 10,000,000 New York Rangers
3 Vanek, Thomas $ 10,000,000 Buffalo Sabres
4 Jagr, Jaromir $ 8,360,000 New York Rangers
5 Timonen, Kimmo $ 8,000,000 Philadelphia Flyers
6 Richards, Brad $ 7,800,000 Dallas Stars
7 Lidstrom, Nicklas $ 7,600,000 Detroit Red Wings
8 Chara, Zdeno $ 7,500,000 Boston Bruins
9 Elias, Patrik $ 7,500,000 New Jersey Devils
10 Smyth, Ryan $ 7,500,000 Colorado Avalanche
11 Lecavalier, Vincent $ 7,166,667 Tampa Bay Lightning
12 McCabe, Bryan $ 7,150,000 Toronto Maple Leafs
13 Drury, Chris $ 7,100,000 New York Rangers
14 Hossa, Marian $ 7,000,000 Pittsburgh Penguins
15 Iginla, Jarome $ 7,000,000 Calgary Flames
16 Jovanovski, Ed $ 7,000,000 Phoenix Coyotes
17 Khabibulin, Nikolai $ 6,750,000 Chicago Blackhawks
18 Niedermayer, Scott $ 6,750,000 Anaheim Ducks
19 Sakic, Joe $ 6,750,000 Colorado Avalanche
20 Datsyuk, Pavel $ 6,700,000 Detroit Red Wings
21 Thornton, Joe $ 6,670,000 San Jose Sharks
22 Gaborik, Marian $ 6,500,000 Minnesota Wild
23 Luongo, Roberto $ 6,500,000 Vancouver Canucks
24 Redden, Wade $ 6,500,000 Ottawa Senators
25 Pronger, Chris $ 6,250,000 Anaheim Ducks

& realistically, how many in the top ten deserve to be paid what they were for the 07/08 season.


It's all about market prices & what is available.
Dude....these numbers mean nothing. Get their cap hits... http://www.nhlnumbers.com/

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06-03-2008, 09:00 AM
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The cap hits, are what now a smoke & mirror show, that is all. A few loopholes to jump thru for owners. We will see at the end of those contracts, what exactly it costs teams.

A guy like Briere, they give huge amounts of money to the early part of his contract, then tact a few meaningless years on the end. Good for now, but it is the up front numbers that dictate the upcoming UFA market.


& to say no one will get offered more than OV, as I have seen on other boards, is a load of crap as well.

Malkin, I'm willing to bet will get more than OV & ironicly more the Crosby his teammate. Is he better than either Sid or Alex, no, not IMO.

& why will he get more $$$, because of market values.

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06-03-2008, 09:04 AM
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BTW, if the new onwership wants to make a splash in T-Bay, we may just see Vinnie Lecavalier signing an extension in the area of, if not in excess of the $11 mill per season range.

They can start on an extension to his contract starting July 1st as well.

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06-03-2008, 09:08 AM
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Ok

Why http://nhlscap.com/capnumbers/montreal.htm
shows more than 45 players?

May be I don't understand which players are under SCap and which are not...
Please explain? If I am wrong I want to understand.
Only players who are on the Habs team roster count againt the salary cap. Players playing in the minor leagues don't. Hope that helps.

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06-03-2008, 10:42 PM
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One of the last moves I would make...will take big money to sign him and I am not struck on former Sens players. They underachieved with us before
I hope you aren't talking about bonk. Best 3rd liner we had last year.

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I hope you aren't talking about bonk. Best 3rd liner we had last year.

True dat Bonk was clutch i'd love to have him back

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06-19-2008, 06:24 PM
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Thoughts on Wade Redden

I just heard on TSN that Bryan Murray has tried to trade Redden's rights before July 1st, but has no takers.

What do you think about putting a conditional draft pick if you can sign him? Give them a 6th or 7th if they need it, but hopefully just a conditional pick if you are able to sign him (4th-6th), then offer him 4-4.5 million for 2-3 years and put him beside Hammer.

He's not a bad defenseman. Sure, he's a little soft (Hammer can make up for that), but he can move the puck, and is a MAJOR improvement over Brisebois.

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Hammer-Redden
Gorges-Boullion/O'Byrne

As Gainey just said, it's time to look more short term.


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at the right price, redden would be great on D. hes a pretty solid D-man, but i wouldnt be ready to spend 4 mill or more on him thats for sure.

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06-19-2008, 06:29 PM
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looking around the league at what defenseman are getting I think 4 mill is a bargain. Some people think Streit might get more!

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doesn't he have a NTC

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doesn't he have a NTC
I'm not sure.

But here's the link where it says Murray is trying to trade the rights:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/

It's on the right called "Trade is in the air"

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06-19-2008, 06:45 PM
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I'd clearly sign Redden if the asking price was only 4m (not long term though , maybe 2-3 years). I am far from being his biggest fan but i think that he would form a solid pairing with Hammer and would look good on the second PP unit. Yes he wasn't that great in the last 2 seasons but let's not forget than he was a very good #1 D before that and could find his grove once again after a change of scenery. A back to form Redden would give us one of the best top 4 in the league and would make our transition game even better than it already is. That's why i think that at 4m he could be worth the gamble imho.

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I'd clearly sign Redden if the asking price was only 4m (not long term though , maybe 2-3 years). I am far from being his biggest fan but i think that he would form a solid pairing with Hammer and would look good on the second PP unit. Yes he wasn't that great in the last 2 seasons but let's not forget than he was a very good #1 D before that and could find his grove once again after a change of scenery. A back to form Redden would give us one of the best top 4 in the league and would make our transition game even better than it already is. That's why i think that at 4m he could be worth the gamble imho.
My thoughts exactly.

He'd be a steal at 4-4.5 million if he found his form again. He had 38 and 36 (in 64gp) points in the last 2 "off" seasons and still was a + player.

The point is, the major pick would be conditional. You offer 3-4.5 million if he doesn't take it by July you're out nothing or a 7th rounder. It's a gamble.


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What was once called just another 6th or 7th pick are someday going by the names of Andrei Markov, Jaroslav Halak or Mark Streit... It's always a big gamble when you give up a prospect for the rights to just negotiate with someone... If there were no takers, why not wait for July 1st and keep the prospect?

But I would sign Redden in a second, he is a much better fit for what Montreal is today than for what Ottawa has become, and would thrive on a second pairing with Hamrlik. Imagine if we do acquire an impact forward AND Redden this summer!

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What was once called just another 6th or 7th pick are someday going by the names of Andrei Markov, Jaroslav Halak or Mark Streit... It's always a big gamble when you give up a prospect for the rights to just negotiate with someone... If there were no takers, why not wait for July 1st and keep the prospect?

But I would sign Redden in a second, he is a much better fit for what Montreal is today than for what Ottawa has become, and would thrive on a second pairing with Hamrlik. Imagine if we do acquire an impact forward AND Redden this summer!
But again, that comes back to short term. Yes, it's POSSIBLE you lost a Halak 3-4 years from now, but wanting to push the team to the next level NOW is what gainey is talking about.

Waiting till July 1st creates a bidding war, and there's a GOOD chance he goes for more than 4 mill.

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But again, that comes back to short term. Yes, it's POSSIBLE you lost a Halak 3-4 years from now, but wanting to push the team to the next level NOW is what gainey is talking about.

Waiting till July 1st creates a bidding war, and there's a GOOD chance he goes for more than 4 mill.
It makes sense for a Canadiens point of view, but Wade Redden and his agent know that too. They probably already established an asking price and might just walk in the room, listen, and say "see ya on july 1st"... It's a gamble, could go either way.

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Wow, where have all the Redden haters gone?
With the off-ice problems this, and coke addict that, arguments.

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Sens fans seem to despise him.. did he play that bad or is it just off ice stuff? It can't be any worse than Emery..

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Sens fans seem to despise him.. did he play that bad or is it just off ice stuff? It can't be any worse than Emery..
I can't confirm this but Redden didn't live up to expectations, ala 2006-2007 Kovalev.

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Redden will end up with a bigger contract than Markov and Hamrlik...no way in hell he signs for 4 mil a year.

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Wow, where have all the Redden haters gone?
With the off-ice problems this, and coke addict that, arguments.
Probably didn't want to bother posting again in a new Redden thread considering there is no need for an overrated weak defenceman who will get paid over $5 million this year

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