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06-19-2008, 01:44 PM
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I'm guessing 5.5 - 6m since this is most likely his last contract and he will try to cash in.
6M for Rolston? You've gotta to be kidding me. He's older than Kovy (by 3 days and not as productive and you think he deserves 1.5M more? I would like to see him play for the Habs, but anything more than 4M is overpayment. I say 3 years 12M.

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6M for Rolston? You've gotta to be kidding me. He's older than Kovy (by 3 days and not as productive and you think he deserves 1.5M more? I would like to see him play for the Habs, but anything more than 4M is overpayment. I say 3 years 12M.
I'd be eccstasic (sp ?) to get Rolston for 4m per year but i definitively think that he will get offered more than that (at the very least 5m) considering how thin the crop of top UFAs is this year and considering that it probably won't be for 5+ years.

I mean no one expected Hamrlik to sign for 5.5m but this is actually what happened. I see the exact same scenario playing out with Rolston.

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He won't hit a wall. The guy has a better slapshot than Streit and at worst he'd be a PP specialist...Except he's good in his own end and can kill penalties with the best of them. If people are willing to give Streit $3-4 mil, then Rolston is easily worth as much if not more.

He won't hit a wall? You say it like it's a fact. So we offer him a 4 year deal, you really think he won't lapse one bit at 38, 39, 40 years old (which he will be going into the postseason at the end of the contract)? After 40 and 30 goal seasons, the latter coming in a shortended season, who would have thought Shanahan would hit a wall? Amazing shot, not bad defensively..well he'd be Rolston's age at the end of the contract and counting his blessings he passed 40 points. And Rolston is nowhere in Shanny's league

I know no two players are alike, but to say the Rolston of today who will command $5m will still be worth as much 3 years down the line, and to say it like it's a fact, is just not that smart

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06-19-2008, 02:36 PM
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Rolston is mostly a LW. Think about it folks, Gaborik plays RW for the wild, and Rolston has played quite a bit on a line with him. That said, he's spent time at center so I'm sure he could probably handle RW too. Regardless, I'd probably play him on Koivu's left wing anyways, with SK on the right. Higgins can play on the 3rd with Lats.

Rolston is exactly the sort of player I think the Habs should be after. Big shot to replace Streit on the PP, which would make Streit expendable (I know a lot of people think we can replace him anyways, just because we replaced Souray. Thing is, we had a big shot in-house when Souray walked, we don't have one to replace Streit right now.) He's a strong penalty killer, which is another thing the team needs. He's also got the frame we need in the top-6, and he's got the wheels to keep up with the rest of our forwards.

It's a shame he's 35 though, so he gets that guaranteed contract. If he was 34 I'd be fine with a long-term front-loaded contract, so we could just buy him out later on if his play drops off. Now you have to worry about that, so the length of the contract is a real concern. On the other hand, the guy is still a workhorse: He's only missed 11 games this millennium, and he logged over 20 minutes a night last season. Limit his ice time a little, and he should still be effective for at least a couple more seasons. I mean even if in his third year he ends up being only a 25-25-50 guy who specializes on special teams, it's really not the end of the world to have him on the books. Sure he'd be overpaid at 5 mil or so, but it's not like he'd be a total waste of a roster spot.

So with all that in mind, I'm definitely interested. Ideally, it would be for a 1 or 2 year deal. I'd be happy with 3 years, 15 million though. I also think that in this UFA market, it will take at least that to land a guy like him.

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Definitely interested in a good player like Brian Rolston. He is fast and has good size. He is a great penalty killer and he would be a good fit on the second line with Koivu and Higgins replacing Ryder.

Worth a shot anyways.

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He won't hit a wall? You say it like it's a fact. So we offer him a 4 year deal, you really think he won't lapse one bit at 38, 39, 40 years old (which he will be going into the postseason at the end of the contract)? After 40 and 30 goal seasons, the latter coming in a shortended season, who would have thought Shanahan would hit a wall? Amazing shot, not bad defensively..well he'd be Rolston's age at the end of the contract and counting his blessings he passed 40 points. And Rolston is nowhere in Shanny's league

I know no two players are alike, but to say the Rolston of today who will command $5m will still be worth as much 3 years down the line, and to say it like it's a fact, is just not that smart
Shanahan was a different player. For one thing, he never had the wheels Rolston has now. That matters a lot for guys who are getting up there in years, imo. If Rolston loses a step, he's still fast enough to play. The other thing to keep in mind is Shanny was only playing 16:30 a night his last year in Detroit, while Rolston is still logging 20+. Shanny was also 37 when he signed with the Rangers, so he was two years older. Also, if you give Rolston 4 years, he'll be 39 at the end of the contract, not 40.

That said, you're right that nothing is guaranteed when you're dealing with guys who are getting into their late 30s. But I think the signs are a lot better for Rolston now than they were for Shanahan back then.

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Shanahan was a different player. For one thing, he never had the wheels Rolston has now. That matters a lot for guys who are getting up there in years, imo. If Rolston loses a step, he's still fast enough to play. The other thing to keep in mind is Shanny was only playing 16:30 a night his last year in Detroit, while Rolston is still logging 20+. Shanny was also 37 when he signed with the Rangers, so he was two years older. Also, if you give Rolston 4 years, he'll be 39 at the end of the contract, not 40.

That said, you're right that nothing is guaranteed when you're dealing with guys who are getting into their late 30s. But I think the signs are a lot better for Rolston now than they were for Shanahan back then.

Shanny only played 16:30 a night? Well that was the year he popped in 40. So it just further shows how fast a player can slip, he might've popped 50 if he played 20+...but this isn't about Shanny

I just feel strongly that the money Rolston gets, from any team, will be much more than he's worth by the end of his contract if it should exceed 3 years. I'm all for signing him at 1 or 2 years, but it's way too risky beyond that point, especially with guys like Price, Sergei, Tomas, all warranting new contracts which will likely see them make much more than they are now. You give Rolston 5m for 4 years? Well, you could *potentially* have to say goodbye to a great young Hab down the line as a result. It's not guaranteed the cap will keep rising, there's still a possibility it could lower in years to come, and there's no guarantee a 38 or 39 year old will still be worth his price tag that he was offered nearly half a decade before. offering him 4 years is high-risk/low reward

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Definitely not interested. He's 35 and he wants *at least* three years at close to $5 million a season.

Zero interest.

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7.5M over 3 years devised along the lines of:
3.5
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Cap hit of 2.5. I imagine that Rolston wouldn't be a Smolinski and that his cap hit - even if higher than Smokes - wouldn't be damageable in future signings.

Smokes - for what he brings in comparison to Rolston - upon having big contracts to issue is a thorn on your big toe.

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2 years, 4.1 a season. would do it

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$5 mil over 3 years. I would take this guy in half a second. He would fit in amazingly here. He's so underrated it's not even funny. He can do it all.

Even for 4 years I'd do it.
great minds think alike. That guy is made to play with the Habs.

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He was a -1...Not exactly terrible. And the last time he was a minus player was in 1999. He's a strong player in his own zone.
That's true, very true, but Minnesota is defense first and second. He is solid in his own end too, but even though like you've previously said, he's improved with age this year, or next we might start to see a decline.

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great minds think alike. That guy is made to play with the Habs.
That may be, but a I believe him saying he doesn't want to play in Canada.

If the guy does want 5 mill a year, then he's really not wanted here.

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06-22-2008, 10:11 AM
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Rolstons market value?

could we be interested?whats his market value?Sundin come on say yes or no










Rolston negotiations in danger
http://ww3.startribune.com/blogs/wil...ons-in-danger/

Rolston said Bartlett’s philosophy is not to make counteroffers. He said maybe that needs to change, but he maintains the Wild needs to offer him “market value” or he’ll go elsewhere. Risebrough has said there’s a difference of opinion in Rolston’s “market value.”

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Didn't he once say he would only play for an American team? I don't remember where I read or heard that but I'm pretty sure he's said that.

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Didn't he once say he would only play for an American team? I don't remember where I read or heard that but I'm pretty sure he's said that.
i wasnt aware of that.guess that rules us out.

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i wasnt aware of that.guess that rules us out.
Yeah, I believe it's been said... closing in on 100 times that Rolston will not play for the habs

1) Because everyone has him as a 3rd liner

2) He said he won't play for a Canadian team.

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Didn't he once say he would only play for an American team? I don't remember where I read or heard that but I'm pretty sure he's said that.
I have read that somewhere as well and I believe it is true, but wow is he ever a player. I remember him against the Habs when he was a Bruin and how amazing he was on the PK saying he was able to cheat because he had such a fast first step.

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Tanguay said he wouldn't play for the Habs..........

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He's looking for 4-5 Million.

It's believed Rolston is seeking $4 million to $5 million per season, although he won't say for sure. Rolston, who arguably played under his market value the past three years at $2.432 million annually, can become a free agent July 1 if the Wild doesn't sign him.

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Tanguay said he wouldn't play for the Habs..........
Exactly.
Apparently, every player in the league have said, at some point, they never want to play for a canadian team. Most precisely, the Habs.

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He's looking for 4-5 Million.

It's believed Rolston is seeking $4 million to $5 million per season, although he won't say for sure. Rolston, who arguably played under his market value the past three years at $2.432 million annually, can become a free agent July 1 if the Wild doesn't sign him.

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Wow if thats all he wants and the Habs fail at getting Sundin he would be the next best thing.

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I would give him 5 million short term(2 years no more), if he wants a longer deal it will be for 4 million

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I don't even want to think of Rolston right now... come on Sundin plllllleaseeee!

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Exactly the kind of character we need if Sundin dosen't come here. We need a guy to go against the Stall,Crosby and co.

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