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06-22-2008, 06:04 PM
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David Fischer?

So, we've all heard a lot about McDonagh and Pacioretty... but you never read too much about Fischer. Any recent (this past season?) articles about his play with the University of Minnesota?

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06-22-2008, 06:05 PM
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From a Habsinsideout.com interview with TT

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HIO: Can we get your evaluations of a few recently drafted players? David Fischer?

TT: He had a slow start to the (University of Minnesota) season after having his tonsils removed in late August. He lost about 15 pounds. But he really improved in the second half of the season and was a go-to guy for the Gophers. He'll return to the NCAA this season. He still has to bring up his strength level. He's tall and gangly, but he's getting there. He's 6-4. It takes a little longer for those guys to fill out.

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06-22-2008, 06:21 PM
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Thanks. I just read the entire interview. Good stuff.

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06-22-2008, 06:26 PM
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Fischer will be just fine, he was a project from the start, still growing in his first year and tonsil problems in the second while still improving overall.

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Montreal has some good posts on Fischer too this year up in the NCAA prospects sticky if you search for them....

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06-22-2008, 07:07 PM
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Funny part is that he'll be ahead of most d-men in the next dev. camp even though he's suppose to be a dissapointment so far....

You won't see a much better d-man 1 on 1. Sure he needs more strength and sure he needs to show some offensive skills real soon. Still, he has in him to do both. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders so he sure does realize he needs more overall strength. And with a little bit more confidence, he will upgrade his point totals. But that first pass will be on the tape and his smooth skating will make you wonder why some people keep saying he's no good....

I'll never repeat that enough. If the kid would have played in the CHL last year, we would not wonder how he really is (and I'm not talking about the thread starter who just want to know how he is doing....). Why? Here's a report on Nigel Williams when he left the NCAA...

"The Capital Times' Todd Milewski is reporting that Wisconsin freshman defenseman Nigel Williams has left Wisconsin to play in the OHL for the Saginaw Spirit. Apparently he really likes the Colbert Report.

Williams had only played in one of Wisconsin's first 10 games, and wasn't traveling with the team. It seems like a pretty clear cut case of a kid not being happy with his playing time and wanting to make a move.

I think it's now officially safe to say that the decision to bring Williams to Wisconsin as a 2006 recruit was a mistake. Williams has outstanding physical talent, but was just a little too raw for NCAA hockey. Wisconsin's coaches thought a year with the NTDP last season would be enough seasoning, but that ended up not being the case."


Why I am talking about Williams? 'Cause he's the same kid we were most of us all in awe during Belleville's season, in the playoffs and mostly during the Memorial Cup. The year of his departure, he went playing for Saginaw and had 36 points in 49 games. The year after, he added 24 points in 29 games for Saginaw before being traded to Belleville where he added 22 points in 38 games and 18 points in 21 games in the playoffs, almost looking quite dominant in most games I saw. Same kid who 2 years ago was a "mistake" and was way too raw for the NCAA.....

I'm pretty sure that Weber and Subban, who we love very much in this board, would obviously, and far from it, have the same kind of success they're having if they were playing in the NCAA.....

While at that time I would have preferred Giroux, 'cause I knew him obviously way more than Fischer, Fischer has all the tools to become something good. But it's pretty clear that this year seems like a turning point even though he's a strong candidate to remain in the NCAA for the next 2 years.


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06-22-2008, 07:18 PM
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I'd be willing to give Fischer all the time he needs to develop. The Habs won't need him for the next few years and he'd be better prepared to step in if he gets good coaching and beefs up physically.

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06-22-2008, 07:54 PM
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Good post, Whitesnake. The couple games that I saw Fischer play this year I was also really impressed with his speed, breakout passes and his positioning, he was a bit weak in front of the net and in the corners but that will improve once he puts on more muscle. I'm really excited to see him next year especially if he puts on more weight, he won't be a #1 defenceman in the NHL but he could be an excellent #2 or 3, in my opinion and he doesn't deserve the criticism that he always gets on the board where people already proclaim him a "bust".

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06-23-2008, 07:31 AM
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Good post, Whitesnake. The couple games that I saw Fischer play this year I was also really impressed with his speed, breakout passes and his positioning, he was a bit weak in front of the net and in the corners but that will improve once he puts on more muscle. I'm really excited to see him next year especially if he puts on more weight, he won't be a #1 defenceman in the NHL but he could be an excellent #2 or 3, in my opinion and he doesn't deserve the criticism that he always gets on the board where people already proclaim him a "bust".
That sums up Fischer well, if he gets stronger it should help him in the crease where he struggles. He also tends to do some panick passing when pressured. I hope to see him improve his offensive game though, it needs a lot of work.

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I'd be willing to give Fischer all the time he needs to develop. The Habs won't need him for the next few years and he'd be better prepared to step in if he gets good coaching and beefs up physically.
I think he'll get the time, as it appears he's going back for his junior year next season and unless he breaks out I would suspect he'll be back for his senior year although it's a bit early to really say that. So he could be a good 5 years from the NHL (2 ncaa/2 hamilton) but with RD being our deepest position, there shouldn't be a need to rush him, in fact it's going to get crowded in Hamilton after next season at RD.

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06-23-2008, 08:14 AM
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I think he'll get the time, as it appears he's going back for his junior year next season and unless he breaks out I would suspect he'll be back for his senior year although it's a bit early to really say that. So he could be a good 5 years from the NHL (2 ncaa/2 hamilton) but with RD being our deepest position, there shouldn't be a need to rush him, in fact it's going to get crowded in Hamilton after next season at RD.
Dan, did the two or three guys ahead of him on the Minnesota D graduate? I know they had a hotshot rookie on the blueline that was getting powerplay time as well. I think Fischer could benefit from a bump up to the first pairing or at least more powerplay time.

From the few games I've seen over the last couple of seasons, I didn't really notice a lot of improvement in Fischer this season. Fischer needs to have a breakout year IMO or he may fall into the Andrew Archer fold.

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06-23-2008, 08:34 AM
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He's going to be a flop

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He's going to be a flop
Intelligent comment, with good reasoning too.

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He's going to be a flop
15 posts and a comment like that... where the hell is Chezz?

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Dan, did the two or three guys ahead of him on the Minnesota D graduate? I know they had a hotshot rookie on the blueline that was getting powerplay time as well. I think Fischer could benefit from a bump up to the first pairing or at least more powerplay time.

From the few games I've seen over the last couple of seasons, I didn't really notice a lot of improvement in Fischer this season. Fischer needs to have a breakout year IMO or he may fall into the Andrew Archer fold.
Fischer was on the top pairing all year, he was likely their 2nd best D. Fairchild was on the top PP unit but on the 2nd pairing, I didn't think he was all that impressive, clearly much better then any other D offensively but in his own end he was exposed imo. Fischer was mostly on the 2nd PP unit, they used a forward on the first pairing with Fairchild, Ben Gordon. Fischer's D partner is gone, Peltier is an avs pick. But they have Ness coming in.

I've seen almost every single game Fischer has played in the NCAA and I think he has shown good improvement, just that he's got a ways to go yet to resemble a 1st round pick.

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He appears to be a Gorges who is faster and who may bulk up and gain strenth. Would that be a fair comparison?

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06-23-2008, 09:04 AM
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He's going to be a flop
It's certainly possible. But he's got a good frame, skates well with good speed and has a good breakout pass while being solid in his own end. I would think that once he finally starts to fill out some more, and improve his offensive game he'll start to turn into a better prospect. He's got several years to work on things, if he doesn't show good enough improvement in say 2 years, then the Habs will have a big decision to make since we are loaded with RD's and would get the 50th overall pick for him.

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He appears to be a Gorges who is faster and who may bulk up and gain strenth. Would that be a fair comparison?
I don't know if I'd compare them. Fischer is 6'4 and hopefully will fill out his frame a good bit. Plus he's a good puck mover and hopefully he can improve his offensive game, as he can clearly pass the puck but for some reason things just haven't really worked out for him in the offensive zone.

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Fischer was on the top pairing all year, he was likely their 2nd best D. Fairchild was on the top PP unit but on the 2nd pairing, I didn't think he was all that impressive, clearly much better then any other D offensively but in his own end he was exposed imo. Fischer was mostly on the 2nd PP unit, they used a forward on the first pairing with Fairchild, Ben Gordon. Fischer's D partner is gone, Peltier is an avs pick. But they have Ness coming in.

I've seen almost every single game Fischer has played in the NCAA and I think he has shown good improvement, just that he's got a ways to go yet to resemble a 1st round pick.
Could you give me your thoughts on one of his teammates, RJ Anderson?

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Could you give me your thoughts on one of his teammates, RJ Anderson?
Not a fan, but he did start to turn things around this past season in his junior year. I heard the hype on him in his draft year but so far he's struggled. Spent a good amount of time on the 3rd pairing this year, but started to produce a little. Just not a prospect you really notice much at all, perhaps he will have a better year next season.

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He's 20, had his tonsils removed and lost 15 pounds, then played on the top pair...

I wouldn't call that a bust. If he doesn't improve in 2 years, ok, maybe, but so far so good.

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It's certainly possible. But he's got a good frame, skates well with good speed and has a good breakout pass while being solid in his own end. I would think that once he finally starts to fill out some more, and improve his offensive game he'll start to turn into a better prospect. He's got several years to work on things, if he doesn't show good enough improvement in say 2 years, then the Habs will have a big decision to make since we are loaded with RD's and would get the 50th overall pick for him.



I don't know if I'd compare them. Fischer is 6'4 and hopefully will fill out his frame a good bit. Plus he's a good puck mover and hopefully he can improve his offensive game, as he can clearly pass the puck but for some reason things just haven't really worked out for him in the offensive zone.
Being a really good skater will be a boon. If he can utilize his passing as well as Gorges and beef up larger than Gorges he could be something. Gorges was always very very good (in juniors) at headmanning the puck, great first pass etc. Is he as game as Gorges? What is his shot like? Hopefully the gym and shooting at barn doors is his summer project.

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Being a really good skater will be a boon. If he can utilize his passing as well as Gorges and beef up larger than Gorges he could be something. Gorges was always very very good (in juniors) at headmanning the puck, great first pass etc. Is he as game as Gorges? What is his shot like? Hopefully the gym and shooting at barn doors is his summer project.
I would think he will be a better puck mover the Gorges, as it's one of his best assests already imo. He's listed at 6'4 195, not sure about the weight but he's likely around that weight, would be great if he could get up to 215 or so before he leaves the ncaa.

His shot is not very powerful and he rarely uses it.

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saw an interview of fischer on youtube (okposo was with him) and he seem like a great team guy a la komisarek ( the kind of guy everyone in the locker room like) + when he was drafted timmins talk about him as a leader

just be patient with david, he will play another 2 years at minnesota and will be a good 4th d-man in the nhl

no need to rush him to the pro like mcdonagh/pacioretty

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Fischer could be a what? Top Pairing Defender? Top 4? PP Quarter back? PP Specialist?

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Sounds a bit similar to maybe Jiri Fischer?

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