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You guys think a GM will pull a Kevin Lowe for Andrei Kostityn ?

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06-23-2008, 08:51 AM
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You guys think a GM will pull a Kevin Lowe for Andrei Kostityn ?

I am afraid Bob Gainey will not have enough time to sign all our RFA, UFA before July 1st.

AK46 is a pretty good player who is spectacular (did a couple highlight goals last season), i wonder if any GM will stab Bob Gainey in the back and offer something to AK46...

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06-23-2008, 09:06 AM
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Don't get too flustered at this point. It's common for negotiations to go right down to the wire. Without any time impetus, there is a lot less chance of getting what you demand. Thus, most agents and GM's end up actually finishing deals in the days before the deadline. It's a simple fact of negotiation.

A. Kost will be signed by the Habs for sure. Gainey is too smart of a hockey man to let that happen. There's no way that they would develop him for 4 years to see him break out, than lose him as an RFA.

Worst case, they can force A. Kost to stay as ransom for his little brother. Now that's hardball!!!!!

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I think there's a better chance that he signs in Russia than a team giving him an offer sheet. If anybody gives him an offer sheet that the Habs can't afford, that means they are overpaying him and will likely get the Habs alot of compensation. I think the Habs shouldn't have a problem matching anything in the 3-5 million range. If anybody offers him more than that, they just aren't smart.

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I am afraid Bob Gainey will not have enough time to sign all our RFA, UFA before July 1st.

AK46 is a pretty good player who is spectacular (did a couple highlight goals last season), i wonder if any GM will stab Bob Gainey in the back and offer something to AK46...
First of all it's called an offer sheet, not "pulling a Kevin Lowe"- he did not do anything unique in utilizing it. Also, how is a contract offer stabbing anyone in the back?

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First of all it's called an offer sheet, not "pulling a Kevin Lowe"- he did not do anything unique in utilizing it. Also, how is a contract offer stabbing anyone in the back?
agreed completely. Some people have to understand that its part of the CBA. A tool that has existed for a long time for people to improve their clubs. Otherwise, what is the point of being an RFA. Offersheets have happened in the past and will continue to happen in the future, maybe not every year, but they will happen. They are common in other sports as well.

As for andrei kostitsyn, i dont see the point. Unless it's a gross overpayment, the habs have the space to match. If they sign sundin/hossa/ someone else high profile and change their cap situation significantly, i could see it, but it would probably still have to be a significant overpayment. If bob gainey doesnt match an offersheet to ak, i would trust his decision, as a first rounder in next years draft could be a very, very good player.

Finally, please remind yourself that an offersheet has to be signed by both parties. While kostitsyn's agent might use the threat of one as a tool in negotiations, do we all really think kostitsyn would like to leave montreal? I am sure offersheet offers get kicked around all the time and the player simply refuses them, not necessarily because of the money, but because they just dont want to leave.

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Brian Burke renamed the offer sheet "pulling a Kevin Lowe", Lowe did nothing wrong excepting pissing off a cry baby.

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I think it's POSSIBLE if Sundin signs with the Habs.

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if Sundin signs he will be shipped to Toronto as compensation

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Teams can offer up to $4.2m and give up only a 1st and a 3rd. That seems reasonable for a playoff-bound team with late-round picks.

Edit: That should say $3.92m.

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Amount Compensation Due in 2008
$863,156 or less None
$863,156 - $1,307,811 3rd round pick
$1,307,881 - $2,615,623 2nd round pick
$2,615,623 - $3,923,434 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,923,434 - $5,231,246 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$5,231,246 - $6,539,061 Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,539,061 or more Four 1st round picks

These numbers based on the 11.6% increase in average salary recently reported by TSN.


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if Sundin signs he will be shipped to Toronto as compensation
and what if he doesn't sign with Toronto, then the leafs get shafted in the trade...

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Teams can offer up to $4.2m and give up only a 1st and a 3rd. That seems reasonable for a playoff-bound team with late-round picks.
If somebody offers 4.2mil for AK, Gainey would more than likely match.

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if Sundin signs he will be shipped to Toronto as compensation
In bizzarro world maybe.

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In bizzarro world maybe.
Where do you think leaf fans live??

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Where do you think leaf fans live??
In Toronto. And other parts of the world as well.

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Teams can offer up to $4.2m and give up only a 1st and a 3rd. That seems reasonable for a playoff-bound team with late-round picks.
Don't you think Gainey would match?

Hell, Lowe offered $7M to Vanek and that year Vanek had a much more productive season then Kostitsyn this year. Anything around $5M Gainey will match, and I believe in the end he will sign with the Habs 3 years @ $4.5M per.

(he only made $700K last season)

Year 1: $2.0M
Year 2: $4.5M
Year 3: $7.0M

Probably with a no-trade clause.

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Don't you think Gainey would match?

Hell, Lowe offered $7M to Vanek and that year Vanek had a much more productive season then Kostitsyn this year. Anything around $5M Gainey will match, and I believe in the end he will sign with the Habs 3 years @ $4.5M per.

(he only made $700K last season)

Year 1: $2.0M
Year 2: $4.5M
Year 3: $7.0M

Probably with a no-trade clause.
I think a team like Columbus, New York Islanders, Vancouver Canucks might overpay for Andrei, since they are desperate for goals and all.

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Don't you think Gainey would match?

Hell, Lowe offered $7M to Vanek and that year Vanek had a much more productive season then Kostitsyn this year. Anything around $5M Gainey will match, and I believe in the end he will sign with the Habs 3 years @ $4.5M per.

(he only made $700K last season)

Year 1: $2.0M
Year 2: $4.5M
Year 3: $7.0M

Probably with a no-trade clause.
Just nitpicking, but you can't structure a contract with those numbers, you can't more than double your salary in year 2 :p

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Just nitpicking, but you can't structure a contract with those numbers, you can't more than double your salary in year 2 :p
I see, good catch.

Anyway, I'm thinking there will be a couple of RFAs of higher quality than Andrei Kostitsyn hitting the market on July 1st. I don't feel like looking up the list, but isn't Corey Perry one of them? I wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple more also. I think GMs like Lowe would rather overpay for the cream of the crop than for a 60 pts *relatively* unproven russian.

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If the Oilers can pay 4M for Dustin Penner, someone might be able to offer Kost 4-5M a year. He's a better player with a higher ceiling right now.

I think the Habs would match up to 4.5M but not higher..

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I think kevin Lowe will pull a Kevin Lowe



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Mmmm.

Current Habs Payroll ( 41 Million)

if Sundin signs up.. (Expected amount would be 8 Millions ) ?

49 Millions

Salary Cap ---> 56 Millions ?

7 Millions.

Players to be signed : Halak, A.Kostitsyn, Obyrne, Georges, Grabovski

Players that contracts could be bought out : Dandenault (1.7 Million)

So that gives about 8 millions open..

Gotta keep in mind Sundin signing up = Compensation for Leafs

(Likely a player or two + Draft pick ) ( 1.5 Million more)

9.5 Millions for Halak, Kostitsyn, Obyrne, Georges, Grabovski

Halak payroll should be around the 1.2 million mark (maximum)
Obyrne ( likely 900 000)
Georges ( Around the 1.2 million mark)
Grabovski ( 800k)

9.5 - 4.1 = 5.4

5.4

Expected Bonuses (08/09) = 1.5 Million.

3.9 Million left for A.Kostitsyn...

of course this is a gross estimate but i think A.Kost will be signed up and there is good chances that Georges,Halak, Obyrne, Grabovski don't even come close to 4.1 million.

Well unless Kostitsyn learn that somebody is willing to offer him 5.5-6 million a year..

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if Sundin signs he will be shipped to Toronto as compensation
lol keep dreaming

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First of all it's called an offer sheet, not "pulling a Kevin Lowe"- he did not do anything unique in utilizing it. Also, how is a contract offer stabbing anyone in the back?
To be fair, it was always possible for a player to record a goal, assist and fight in the same game before Gordie Howe came along...

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First of all it's called an offer sheet, not "pulling a Kevin Lowe"- he did not do anything unique in utilizing it. Also, how is a contract offer stabbing anyone in the back?
Pulling a Kevin Lowe (or simply a 'Kevin Lowe') is when you irrationally overspend on a RFA thereby inadvertently driving up the cost of mediocre players.

You guys can add that definition to the urban dictionary if you want. Just so everyone is on the same page.


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I am afraid Bob Gainey will not have enough time to sign all our RFA, UFA before July 1st.

AK46 is a pretty good player who is spectacular (did a couple highlight goals last season), i wonder if any GM will stab Bob Gainey in the back and offer something to AK46...
Hopefully Bob gainey does not pull a Brian "the Wiz" Burke. Waste his cap money by signing an overpriced forward and then under offer a contract to a young tanented team RFA. Then lose him to a fair offer from another team. Then wine like a baby because you had no sense to cover your roster.

MacT nailed his personality and commented why TSN loves to talk to him,
"He reminds me of the Wizard of Oz where you comb his hair and put a white shirt on him and wheel him out in front of a camera and he'll say whatever you guys want. Clearly it's a crusade of self-promotion at this point."

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