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Enough Offense to Raise the Goblet?

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06-21-2008, 07:45 PM
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Enough Offense to Raise the Goblet?

20 (Prucha) / 20 (Dubinsky) / 30 (Jagr)
25 (Dawes) / 20 (Gomez) / 15 (Korpikowski/Sjostrom)
20 (Avery) / 30 (Drury) / 15 (Callahan)
10 (Sjostrom/Korpikowski) / 10 (Betts/Anisimov) / 5 (Hollweg/Orr/Rookie)

10 (Rozival/UFA) / 5 (Staal)
10 (Girardi) / 5 (Tyutin)
5 (Backman) / 5 (Mara/UFA/Rookie)

260 Total Goals is 2 more than Ottawa had as league leader this past season. With our Defense a year older and Lundqvist on his game, could this team go all the way?

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06-21-2008, 07:49 PM
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I have a hard time seeing most of those forward totals come true, sadly

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06-21-2008, 07:52 PM
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Sjostrom will not get 10 on the 4th line

Betts will not get 10 on the 4th line

Orr/Hollweg will not get 5 on the 4th line

Drury will not get 30 playing with Avery and Callahan

Callahan and Korpedo will not get 15 each.

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06-21-2008, 07:56 PM
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If they couldn't win last season, with that stacked squad, I don't know how they can next season. Remember when we signed Gomez and Drury we were all like CUP!!! What happened?

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No way does this get it done, your loosing two scorers in Straka and Shanhan and still have not improved on defense. Your missing a Ryder / Orpik / or Rolston or something along those lines.

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06-21-2008, 08:14 PM
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Not a chance.

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06-21-2008, 08:18 PM
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I think you guys are misinterpreting the question. He is asking if this team scored like this, would they be a good enoug hoffense to win the Cup. The answer is yes. If they score like that without sacrificing too much Defense, they are a true competitor.

Im not saying its likely or possible that they play like that but if they scored 260 goals, they would be considered a top competitor.

My prediction:

Prucha (15)- Dubinsky (23)-Jagr (28)
Dawes (25)-Gomez (21)- Malone (27)
Korpikoski (13)-Drury (22)-Callahan- (20)
Orr (1)/Hollweg(2)-Betts (3)-Sjostrom (5)

Rozsival (11)-Staal (6)
Tyutin (5)-Girardi (8)
Backman (4)- ???? (2)

243 goals.

If you think about it, it is somewhat reasonable. The only real question marks are signing Malone, Prucha and Korpikoski. But I think if you give Prucha top line minutes and PP minutes he could score at least 15 goals maybe even 20. Who knows he might find his rookie season touch. Also, take the money you'd spend on avery a sign Malone.


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06-21-2008, 08:20 PM
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Not as presently constructed.

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06-21-2008, 09:17 PM
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might not even make the playoffs, without some improvements on defense, and a reliable goal scorer...

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06-21-2008, 09:21 PM
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How about we wait until a few days after July 1 to try and predict this with ANY accuracy, being that our top 6 could potentially be completely different.

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06-21-2008, 09:25 PM
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That would certainly be enough offense but I'm scratching my head at the majority of your projected goal totals toward our players.


I think Prucha, Dawes, Jagr, Gomez, Avery, Betts, Orr, and Korpedo/Sjo can't score those totals. ****, I have a hard time thinking Drury can get 30 let alone all the others.

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06-21-2008, 10:06 PM
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Tons of offense does not help crappy defense unless a ton of your offense are also great two-way players.

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06-22-2008, 09:29 AM
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It doesn't get it done because I don't think your goal projections panning out.

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Prucha on the first line?

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Prucha on the first line?
Something that is not a good thing.

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06-22-2008, 06:43 PM
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It comes down to the sum of the parts.

A guy who nets 15 goals on the third line only does so when he was two lines ahead of him who are going to eat the tougher icetime and open up some room for him.

He doesn't get the same kind of production if the same guys in front of him put up the same kind of production.

It goes back to the conversation I had last week about teams that win have at least one or two star forwards who can put the puck in the net.

Even a 25 goal, 70 point Jagr has a bigger impact than a lot of people realize or give credit for.

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06-23-2008, 09:01 AM
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20 (Prucha) / 20 (Dubinsky) / 30 (Jagr)
25 (Dawes) / 20 (Gomez) / 15 (Korpikowski/Sjostrom)
20 (Avery) / 30 (Drury) / 15 (Callahan)
10 (Sjostrom/Korpikowski) / 10 (Betts/Anisimov) / 5 (Hollweg/Orr/Rookie)

10 (Rozival/UFA) / 5 (Staal)
10 (Girardi) / 5 (Tyutin)
5 (Backman) / 5 (Mara/UFA/Rookie)

260 Total Goals is 2 more than Ottawa had as league leader this past season. With our Defense a year older and Lundqvist on his game, could this team go all the way?
IGood assesments, but NYR doest have at the moment what is need to win the cup.Thats just IMO.

I dont see Sjostrom or Betts gettng 10 goals.I dont know about Dawes with 25,but its possible.Jagr and Avery are not even signed.And as for Prucha he might not even be a Ranger.So we have to see.

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06-23-2008, 09:20 AM
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huh?

They haven't even formed a team yet for next season...

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06-23-2008, 09:32 AM
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I look at this list and I think - man, do we need Jagr.

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Yeah, that's enough offense, but since our defense is going to struggle again as presently constructed, this team is not yet cup ready.

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06-23-2008, 10:23 AM
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Would that roster...

be under the cap? In any event, with Jagr a year older and still the anchor, I'm not sure how that roster looks better than the one that was ousted by PITT. Sure Shanny is gone, but is his producion really replaced by what's left on the roster? The right side is a problem. I don't see Sjostrom or Korps putting in 15 goals. I also don't see 65 goals from the third line, nor do I see 25 goals from the fourth line.

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might not even make the playoffs, without some improvements on defense, and a reliable goal scorer...
I totally agree. If we don't re-sign Jagr and Avery and get another winger (Ryan Malone) to replace Shanahan, I don't see the Rangers making the playoffs.

That's not to mention the defense needs to be addressed. We cannot let Rozsival, Mara and Malik all walk without finding one or two UFAs to replace them, preferably a physical defensive defenseman (Mike Commodore) and a guy who can play the point on the power play (Mark Streit).

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06-23-2008, 01:18 PM
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Blueshirt...

the question becomes can the Rangers afford all that. With additional cost due to Lundqvist's contract, dead cap space, Jagr costing more than last season's cap hit, Avery costing more, Malone costing about what Shanny was paid and the additional defensemen, I'm not sure there's enough cap space to even put that team together. I agree that's about what this team needs to improve over last season (perhaps not the exact people, but that's the idea), but it needs to fit into a nicely cap-driven space.

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06-23-2008, 01:21 PM
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I agree 1000% Edge...

I don't think many appreciate what pressure Jagr takes off his linemates and other lines by being the focus of other teams' game plan. It's essentially stop Jagr and you have a chance of winning. Bumping Cally up to second line doesn't mean that all of the sudden he's a second liner either. Perhaps he's best-suited for the third line - a grinding line that can pop the puck into the net (I actually liked the Prucha-Dubi-Cally line last season).

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the question becomes can the Rangers afford all that.
If they trade Prucha and don't re-sign Avery I think they can. I realize I said that the Rangers need to re-sign Avery but they won't be able to acquire Malone, Commodore and Streit if they do. So it's a catch-22. Sather definitely has some work to do here.

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