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06-22-2008, 05:36 PM
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Contract Front Loading Question

Since we are getting close to July 1st...

We have seen some really long contracts (10 years, and some longer). Is there anthing in the CBA to stop a team from signing a player like Brian Campbell for 10 years, front loading the deal for say 7 million a year for the first 5 years and then 1 Mill for the next five to get a cap hit of 4 mill/yr? A more crazy scenario, what about 7 Mill for the first 5 years and then 10 at the league minimum??

Kind of a silly question but I'm curious. Does anyone know just how extreme can you get with front loading a deal?

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06-22-2008, 05:42 PM
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No. A deal cannot decrease/increase by more than 50% from year to year. eg 10-5-2.5 would be valid, but not going from 7 to 1 in one year.

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Thanks.

But we could do something like 10-10-6-6-4-2-1-1-1-1. Interesting.

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Thanks.

But we could do something like 10-10-6-6-4-2-1-1-1-1. Interesting.
Campbell wouldn't be the slightest bit interested though

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Campbell wouldn't be the slightest bit interested though
and it will still be the same cap number as straight 7's

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But we could do something like 10-10-6-6-4-2-1-1-1-1. Interesting.

Yea but how many players would accept such a deal? Going from a 10 million dollar player in year 1, to a scrub in year 7. The deal is legal, but not too realistic to offer somebody.

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Yea but how many players would accept such a deal? Going from a 10 million dollar player in year 1, to a scrub in year 7. The deal is legal, but not too realistic to offer somebody.
it's attractive to a player that is worth 4-5 million, but Campbell's likely going to come in around 6.5, so if he wants a front-loaded deal, he'll get one for a lot more money.

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and it will still be the same cap number as straight 7's
That cap number would only be 4.2.

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we have the cash to frontload deals (see gomer at 10 mill). Glen can wow soupy with 10 mill in year one, then reduce the dollars as the years go on. He's 29, i wouldnt be uncomfortable signing him to 6yrs at the following: 10-7-7-7-5-3 = 39mill/6 yrs, 6.5 cap hit. Boyle got a little more (and i think campbell thinks he's worth as much him, if not more), but he certainly didnt get 10 mill in year one. flame away

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Ive been similarly interested in some of the details of how a players contract can be written. How are contracts handled if a player decides to retire while still under contract. While probably unrealistic, giving a player a 10 10 5 5 2.5 2.5 1.25 1.25 8 year contract would average out to a 4.68 million cap hit. If they were to retire before the start of the 7th year, they would be actually getting paid as a 5.8 mil cap hit player. Would the remaining contract still count against the cap, or is it similar to the longterm injured reserve where it doesn't count against the cap but still has to be paid out?

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we have the cash to frontload deals (see gomer at 10 mill). Glen can wow soupy with 10 mill in year one, then reduce the dollars as the years go on. He's 29, i wouldnt be uncomfortable signing him to 6yrs at the following: 10-7-7-7-5-3 = 39mill/6 yrs, 6.5 cap hit. Boyle got a little more (and i think campbell thinks he's worth as much him, if not more), but he certainly didnt get 10 mill in year one. flame away
6 years is too long with Dmen coming up trying to make the roster...i wouldnt want to sign a UFA Dman for more than 3-4 years...

I would sign Soupster to like a 4 year 27 mil 10+7+5+5 = 6.75m per...I doubt hed do that though unless he really didnt get offers for 7+ mil...

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One other thing to consider:

6 years from now the league will be operating under a new CBA. It's entirely possible the retirement rules for a player under contract could be different then. Especially if there was a perception that teams were trying to circumvent the salary cap by doing so.

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One other thing to consider:

6 years from now the league will be operating under a new CBA. It's entirely possible the retirement rules for a player under contract could be different then. Especially if there was a perception that teams were trying to circumvent the salary cap by doing so.
I would almost guarantee that something is in place in the fine print RIGHT NOW about that...

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I can only say that I would sign Campbell to a three year deal that looks like this 8-6-6 (20mill total). That's about a 6.675 cap hit a year I believe.

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Front loading is pointless. The cap hit is always the average value of the total deal.

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Front loading is pointless. The cap hit is always the average value of the total deal.
It isn't pointless:

1. It makes it easier to trade them at the end of their contracts... even though their cap hit is high the amount of money they are owed isn't so poorer (smaller) market teams would be more willing to trade for them.

2. If you want to buy out a contract I am pretty sure that the cap hit would only be against what was bought out. So it would be significantly less.

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It isn't pointless:

1. It makes it easier to trade them at the end of their contracts... even though their cap hit is high the amount of money they are owed isn't so poorer (smaller) market teams would be more willing to trade for them.

2. If you want to buy out a contract I am pretty sure that the cap hit would only be against what was bought out. So it would be significantly less.
- To add to that I'm sure its more attractive to Free Agents getting a bulk of their money fast.

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Ok it isn't pointless but does it make sense to think about trading a player that you are looking to sign to a contract. Chances are a player of Campbell's stature wouldn't sign a long term multi million dollar deal without a no trade clause anyway. I believe Gomez and Drury both have them.

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Ok it isn't pointless but does it make sense to think about trading a player that you are looking to sign to a contract. Chances are a player of Campbell's stature wouldn't sign a long term multi million dollar deal without a no trade clause anyway. I believe Gomez and Drury both have them.
Gomez has a very limited one...

but you sign players like this b/c you never know what the team will be like by the end of the contract... a bad injury and you might need to buy him out... team is horrible but he plays well and it could increase his trade value... or a player just being greedy and getting the money first.

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