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06-23-2008, 11:24 PM
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Examining a scenario in which we signed Sundin:

Re-sign:
RW Jaromir Jagr: 2 years, $10 million
W Nigel Dawes: 3 years, $3 million
W Fredrik Sjostrom: 1 year, $800k
D Jason Strudwick: 1 year, $500k
G Steve Valiquette: 3 years, $2.4 million

Sign:
C Mats Sundin: 1 year, $7 million
D Steve Montador: 3 years, $4.8 million
D Jason Smith: 2 years, $4 million

Prucha ($1.6 million) Sundin ($7 million) Jagr ($5 million)
Drury ($7.05 million) Gomez ($7.357 million) Dawes ($1 million)
Korpikoski ($1.018 million) Dubinsky ($633k) Callahan ($575k)
Hollweg ($512k) Betts ($615k) Sjostrom ($800k)

Staal ($827k) Girardi ($1.55 million)
Tyutin ($2.843 million) Montador ($1.6 million)
Strudwick ($500k) Smith ($2 million)

Lundqvist ($6.875 million)
Valiquette ($800k)

Orr ($550k)
Potter ($500k)

Total: $52.032 million
Cap Number: $53.572 million
Looks solid to me except I'm not sure that our PP would improve much. Yes Sundin would help a boat load, but our D men wouldn't really be improving to much. Smith defensively is good, but not sure about his offensive ability. Maybe instead of Montador and Smith sign Liles and let Potter play.

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06-23-2008, 11:32 PM
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also, people are continuously forgetting, we have 1.5 million dollars in dead cap space, add it on to your proposals.


any defense that has Jason Strudwick playing regular minutes is destined to fail.

and forward combination that has Petr Prucha playing first line minutes, is destined to fail.

That defense is not an improvement on last years questionable crew imho.

i dont mean to sound rude, but the whole purpose is to improve the team. i dont know if i would consider that roster much of an improvement.

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Little tidbit on Sjostrom.
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Blueshirts likely will not qualify winger Fredrik Sjostrom at the mandatory $813,750, but rather will attempt to sign him to a two-year deal in the range of $600-$650,000.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06232008...wow_116739.htm

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also, people are continuously forgetting, we have 1.5 million dollars in dead cap space, add it on to your proposals.


any defense that has Jason Strudwick playing regular minutes is destined to fail.

and forward combination that has Petr Prucha playing first line minutes, is destined to fail.

That defense is not an improvement on last years questionable crew imho.

i dont mean to sound rude, but the whole purpose is to improve the team. i dont know if i would consider that roster much of an improvement.
I did add the $1.54 million. That's why I have a total and a cap number. The cap number is with the deadweight money added on.

I think we were 6th in GAA last year. We were near last in scoring. Fixing the defense is not nearly as big an issue as the offense. You can't argue that this set of forwards isn't more talented than last years. Also, don't forget that last year was Staal's rookie season and basically Girardi's rookie season. We should see some improvement from both of them next year.

Prucha on the first line isn't integral to that team, replace him with Dawes or Korpedo if you want. Doesn't matter. I just like him playing there because I think he'd be a good fit. I don't think who our 6th defenseman is will really affect our entire defensive corps next year.

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I did add the $1.54 million. That's why I have a total and a cap number. The cap number is with the deadweight money added on.

I think we were 6th in GAA last year. We were near last in scoring. Fixing the defense is not nearly as big an issue as the offense. You can't argue that this set of forwards isn't more talented than last years. Also, don't forget that last year was Staal's rookie season and basically Girardi's rookie season. We should see some improvement from both of them next year.

Prucha on the first line isn't integral to that team, replace him with Dawes or Korpedo if you want. Doesn't matter. I just like him playing there because I think he'd be a good fit. I don't think who our 6th defenseman is will really affect our entire defensive corps next year.
gotcha, btw didnt mean to sound so rude, my team got shellacked again tonight, and im a little grumpy (were 0-2 and have lost games 9-1, and 6-2, but at least i have a goal and an assist )



anyway, i still dont care for that lineup bro, i just dont think thats an improvement over last years team, it looks to me like a step back..

the more i look at the contracts weve given out, the less i believe this team can be truly competitive next year.

Really, the absolutely ONLY way I can see us competing for a high playoff spot and the cup is if Anisimov makes the team out of camp and has a good 40-50 point season, THEN you can afford to do this lineup:

Avery(3.5) Dubinsky Jagr (5-2)
Drury Gomez Rolston (4.5)
Dawes Anisimov(.85) Callahan
Sjostrom(1) Betts Korpikoski(1)
Orr
(waive Hollweg, -.513, trade prucha -1.6)

Staal Campbell (6.5)
Orpik (4.5) Girardi
Potter(.5) Tyutin
Pock
(waive Backman, -2.3)

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My pipedream team fitting under the cap.. i see these are quite popular around here so why not.

Re-sign:
RW Jaromoir Jagr: 2 years, 10 mil
W Nigel Dawes: 2 years, 2 mil
W Fredrik Sjostrom: 1 year, 800K
G Steve Valiquette: 3 years, 2.2 mil

Sign:
C Mats Sundin: 1 year, 7 mil
W Darcy Tucker: 2 years, 3.4 mil
D John-Michael Liles: 2 years 6.2 mil
D Brad Stuart: 2 years 8 mil

Trade: Prucha, Callahan, 2nd 09 and 6th 09
For: Jonathan Cheechoo: 1 year 6 mil

Cheechoo (6 mil) - Sudin - (7 mil) - Jagr (5 mil)
Dubinsky (633K) - Gomez (7.357 mil) - Dawes (1 mil)
Korpikosky (1.018 mil) - Drury (7.05 mil) - Tucker (1.7 mil)
Orr (550K)- Betts (615K) - Sjostrom (800K)

Staal (827K) - Stuart (4 mil)
Giradi (1.55 mil) - Tyutin (2.843 mil)
Liles (3.1 mil) - Potter (500 K)

Valiquette (730K)
Lundqvist (6.875 mil)

Total= 53,148,000
Cap= 53,572,000

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06-24-2008, 12:14 AM
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My pipedream team fitting under the cap.. i see these are quite popular around here so why not.

Re-sign:
RW Jaromoir Jagr: 2 years, 10 mil
W Nigel Dawes: 2 years, 2 mil
W Fredrik Sjostrom: 1 year, 800K
G Steve Valiquette: 3 years, 2.2 mil

Sign:
C Mats Sundin: 1 year, 7 mil
W Darcy Tucker: 2 years, 3.4 mil
D John-Michael Liles: 2 years 6.2 mil
D Brad Stuart: 2 years 8 mil

Trade: Prucha, Callahan, 2nd 09 and 6th 09
For: Jonathan Cheechoo: 1 year 6 mil

Cheechoo (6 mil) - Sudin - (7 mil) - Jagr (5 mil)
Dubinsky (633K) - Gomez (7.357 mil) - Dawes (1 mil)
Korpikosky (1.018 mil) - Drury (7.05 mil) - Tucker (1.7 mil)
Orr (550K)- Betts (615K) - Sjostrom (800K)

Staal (827K) - Stuart (4 mil)
Giradi (1.55 mil) - Tyutin (2.843 mil)
Liles (3.1 mil) - Potter (500 K)

Valiquette (730K)
Lundqvist (6.875 mil)

Total= 53,148,000
Cap= 53,572,000
no reserve forwards? no reserve defenseman?

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My pipedream team fitting under the cap.. i see these are quite popular around here so why not.

Re-sign:
RW Jaromoir Jagr: 2 years, 10 mil
W Nigel Dawes: 2 years, 2 mil
W Fredrik Sjostrom: 1 year, 800K
G Steve Valiquette: 3 years, 2.2 mil

Sign:
C Mats Sundin: 1 year, 7 mil
W Darcy Tucker: 2 years, 3.4 mil
D John-Michael Liles: 2 years 6.2 mil
D Brad Stuart: 2 years 8 mil

Trade: Prucha, Callahan, 2nd 09 and 6th 09
For: Jonathan Cheechoo: 1 year 6 mil

Cheechoo (6 mil) - Sudin - (7 mil) - Jagr (5 mil)
Dubinsky (633K) - Gomez (7.357 mil) - Dawes (1 mil)
Korpikosky (1.018 mil) - Drury (7.05 mil) - Tucker (1.7 mil)
Orr (550K)- Betts (615K) - Sjostrom (800K)

Staal (827K) - Stuart (4 mil)
Giradi (1.55 mil) - Tyutin (2.843 mil)
Liles (3.1 mil) - Potter (500 K)

Valiquette (730K)
Lundqvist (6.875 mil)

Total= 53,148,000
Cap= 53,572,000


I really like this..i havent heard a cheechoo rumor anywhere though?..(which would be awesome)...and I dont know how crazy i am about signing sundin and moving dubi over to wing..but this roster looks really good..props

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06-24-2008, 12:16 AM
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no reserve forwards? no reserve defenseman?
On a pipedream team (mine for one) everyone stays healthy, and produces. Thus no reserves need

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Cheechoo is signed for 3 more years at a 3 million cap hit so you'd have some room to work in reserves, but there's no way (even in a pipe dream) you can get him for that package lol.

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I still would love the Rangers to sign 3 D-Men, whether they are Offensive or Defensive

my ideal three would be:

Campbell @ 6.5M / 6 Years
Orpik @ 3.75M / 4 Years
Commodore @ 2.7M / 3 Years

I could see the defensive Pairings Being:

Campbell - Orpik
Staal- Commodore
Tyutin - Girardi

If stall played with Commodore, or any big hitting defensive D-Man, than maybe he'd be able to flourish offensively

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I still would love the Rangers to sign 3 D-Men, whether they are Offensive or Defensive

my ideal three would be:

Campbell @ 6.5M / 6 Years
Orpik @ 3.75M / 4 Years
Commodore @ 2.7M / 3 Years

I could see the defensive Pairings Being:

Campbell - Orpik
Staal- Commodore
Tyutin - Girardi

If stall played with Commodore, or any big hitting defensive D-Man, than maybe he'd be able to flourish offensively
great and than how do you plan on gettting Sangs into the lineup next year, or Sauer, or Del Zotto in two-three years. Horrible thinking. No need for Orpik and Commodore.

Also we would be paying way too much in Dmen in a year or two when Staal needs to be resigned.

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I really like this..i havent heard a cheechoo rumor anywhere though?..(which would be awesome)...and I dont know how crazy i am about signing sundin and moving dubi over to wing..but this roster looks really good..props
There was some speculation that he was being dangled at the draft, probably in hopes that the Sharks could move up into the first round. However, I'm not sure if they've still got him on the block.

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PLEASE NO CAMPBELL!!!

REDDEN!!


redden (3-4 years @ 6 million)
orpik(4-5 years @ 3.75 million)
rolston(3 years @ 3.5 million)
avery(3 years @ 3 million)
smith(2 years @ 2 million)

trade for bernier with tyutin
trade prucha and backman to anyone

bernier-gomez-rolston
dawes-drury-korpikoski
callahan-dubinsky-aveyr
sjostrom-betts-byers/orr

staal-redden
girardi-orpik
potter-smith
strudwick

that would be my ideal lineup that i think is actually possible....if avery cant be resigned i would trade for torres to play on the third line and if berneir cant be gotten i would try for wolski and perry

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great and than how do you plan on gettting Sangs into the lineup next year, or Sauer, or Del Zotto in two-three years. Horrible thinking. No need for Orpik and Commodore.

Also we would be paying way too much in Dmen in a year or two when Staal needs to be resigned.
I could see Sangs being used a piece in a trade for a scorer at the deadline. Also could see Tyutin traded a deal to get a forward

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I could see Sangs being used a piece in a trade for a scorer at the deadline. Also could see Tyutin traded a deal to get a forward
then we would be left w/ a hole in defense and nobody to step in from the minors... the logic hear is flawed... also tyutin is young and was just signed to an 4 year deal at a really good price... I think that there is almost zero chance he gets traded unless its for another young stud dman.

Sangs could get traded especially since we just drafted del Zotto... but it would also have to be for a stud... I personally don't think either will get traded b/c we are very short of NHL ready defensemen in the minors. You have potter, pock that's it. Sangs isn't ready as of yet, but if there were a rash of injuries he could step in, Sauer is out until december w/ a torn ACL so basically he won't be ready for NHL duty the entire season, and that's it.


if we do sign 3 dmen as you proposed than at least 1 of them will be to a 1 year deal. otherwise it would make no sense.

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Smith for 2M a year? rolston 3.5M a year?


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When July 1st roles around, when do the signings start to happen. They don't begin after midnight right? I'm guessing talks start then and we start to see stuff happen during the morning/afternoon. I didnt have tv/internet last july 1st when I was moving in and don't really remember how it went down previous years.

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When July 1st roles around, when do the signings start to happen. They don't begin after midnight right? I'm guessing talks start then and we start to see stuff happen during the morning/afternoon. I didnt have tv/internet last july 1st when I was moving in and don't really remember how it went down previous years.
i think signings can officially begin at Noon/ EST so 9am Pacific

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Has the NHL announced the Salary Cap for next season yet?

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IMO the logic with all of these proposed lineups is pretty flawed - they rely WAY too much on FAs, which is dangerous in a salary cap league and, frankly, unrealistic given that there are 29 other teams out there bidding for the same limited group of players (not to mention that this team already has 3 ~$7MM per year contracts with 4 or more years left on 'em).

Here's how I see it: the Rangers are rife with tradeable assets, but have no top line guys under contract outside of Gomez. We have plenty of youth ready to step in and play a lesser role, but not likely ready to carry the team. We aren't completely cap hamstrung, but don't have the real flexibility to sign one of the few major names (who are bound to be significantly overpaid) available this summer either.

Add all this together and I think you've got one of two scenarios:

1) (More likely) A couple of minor free agent signings (say Orpik, Smith and a short term deal for Jagr) - PLUS one or more major trades with a team that's looking to move assets in order to rebuild/get younger. My guess is that if this happens, we may not yet even know which team is the eventual trading partner or what players will be acquired (players moved may be easier to guess). This would obviously signal that Sather's going for it in 08-09.

2) (Less likely) A couple of minor free agent signings (say Commodore and Rolston) and then plug the holes with the kids. We may struggle to make the playoffs, but should see advanced development of all of our kids at both the NHL and AHL level, which could pay longer term dividends. Under this scenario, we're making the commitment to move away from the Jagr era and take a step back - in order to take two steps forward in 09-10.

Hey, for all I know, Glen will somehow figure out a way to sign Jagr, Hossa, Rolston AND Campbell and still ice a 20 man team (Pearn might have to double as the backup goalie), but I think options 1 or 2 above are much more likely. Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with either.


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I believe I saw 56.3 on the business of hockey board.

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IMO the logic with all of these proposed lineups is pretty flawed - they rely WAY too much on FAs, which is dangerous in a salary cap league and, frankly, unrealistic given that there are 29 other teams out there bidding for the same limited group of players - and this team already has 3 ~$7MM per year contracts with 4 or more years left on 'em.

Here's how I see it: the Rangers are rife with tradeable assets, but have no top line guys under contract outside of Gomez. We have plenty of youth ready to step in and play a lesser role, but not likely ready to carry the team. We aren't completely cap hamstrung, but don't have the real flexibility to sign one of the few major names (who are bound to be significantly overpaid) available this summer either.

Add all this together and I think you've got one of two scenarios:

1) (More likely) A couple of minor free agent signings (say Orpik, Smith and a short term deal for Jagr) - PLUS one or more major trades with a team that's looking to move assets in order to rebuild/get younger. My guess is that if this happens, we may not yet even know which team is the eventual trading partner or what players will be acquired (players moved may be easier to guess). This would obviously signal that Sather's going for it in 08-09.

2) (Less likely) A couple of minor free agent signings (say Commodore and Rolston) and then plug the holes with the kids. We may struggle to make the playoffs, but should see advanced development of all of our kids at both the NHL and AHL level, which could pay longer term dividends. Under this scenario, we're making the commitment to move away from the Jagr era and take a step back - in order to take two steps forward in 09-10.

Hey, for all I know, Glen will somehow figure out a way to sign Jagr, Hossa, Rolston AND Campbell and still ice a 20 man team (Pearn might have to double as the backup goalie), but I think options 1 or 2 above are much more likely. Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with either.
Thats a very realistic post.

Though i dont think option 2 will be as bad as you paint it out to be.

It really all depends on the hinge deal. Will they make a big trade or signing? Will it be for a Campbell or a big winger for Gomez? Will Jagr res-sign?

Will they not be able (or want to because of salary) to get any "premier" players?

I think once those big questions are answered we will have a much better idea of where this team is headed going into 2008-2009, because all the deals around that will be minor.

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I believe it's officially announced on July 1st, or just before.

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IMO the logic with all of these proposed lineups is pretty flawed - they rely WAY too much on FAs, which is dangerous in a salary cap league and, frankly, unrealistic given that there are 29 other teams out there bidding for the same limited group of players (not to mention that this team already has 3 ~$7MM per year contracts with 4 or more years left on 'em).

Here's how I see it: the Rangers are rife with tradeable assets, but have no top line guys under contract outside of Gomez. We have plenty of youth ready to step in and play a lesser role, but not likely ready to carry the team. We aren't completely cap hamstrung, but don't have the real flexibility to sign one of the few major names (who are bound to be significantly overpaid) available this summer either.

Add all this together and I think you've got one of two scenarios:

1) (More likely) A couple of minor free agent signings (say Orpik, Smith and a short term deal for Jagr) - PLUS one or more major trades with a team that's looking to move assets in order to rebuild/get younger. My guess is that if this happens, we may not yet even know which team is the eventual trading partner or what players will be acquired (players moved may be easier to guess). This would obviously signal that Sather's going for it in 08-09.

2) (Less likely) A couple of minor free agent signings (say Commodore and Rolston) and then plug the holes with the kids. We may struggle to make the playoffs, but should see advanced development of all of our kids at both the NHL and AHL level, which could pay longer term dividends. Under this scenario, we're making the commitment to move away from the Jagr era and take a step back - in order to take two steps forward in 09-10.

Hey, for all I know, Glen will somehow figure out a way to sign Jagr, Hossa, Rolston AND Campbell and still ice a 20 man team (Pearn might have to double as the backup goalie), but I think options 1 or 2 above are much more likely. Honestly, I wouldn't have a problem with either.
I think if Slats can't get one of his key targets on Tuesday (Malone? Orpik? Campbell?), option 2 is the way we go, while resigning most of our UFAs (Rosie, Avery, Jags). I think the trade window for the majority of our youth had it's peak at the draft (for the time being), and probably won't be high again until the trade deadline, if they perform.

As for these wholesale line-up changes, yeah it's fun to speculate, but talk about a chemistry nightmare. Renney is on record saying he prefers guys who've been with the team at least a season, and I think he has a much bigger voice regarding player acquisitions than either he admits or most fans believe. He was, after all, the guy who created our current player development system.

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