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06-24-2008, 02:12 PM
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Canucks Claim Kyle Wellwood

Kyle Wellwood has been put on waivers by the Leafs? Any interest? Could possibly replace Morrison or Demetria if he doesn't come and would be cheap.

But is poor conditioned and injury prone.


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06-24-2008, 02:14 PM
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Does Toronto have to pick up half his salary? I can never remember when this applies and when it doesn't.

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06-24-2008, 02:16 PM
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Does Toronto have to pick up half his salary? I can never remember when this applies and when it doesn't.
It only applies when the player is on re-entry waivers. If Toronto calls him up and somebody claims him, then they pick up half of his salary. Right now, any team that claims him will still pay his full salary.

Also, I dunno, it could be another experiment that will just turn out like the Ryan Shannon experiment.

Or...we could have a Raymond - Wellwood - Shannon line to speed the **** out of the opposition. But then they'd overskate the puck, causing a turnover and an odd man rush going the other way.

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06-24-2008, 02:16 PM
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Does Toronto have to pick up half his salary? I can never remember when this applies and when it doesn't.
Only on re-entry.

I can't imagine Wellwood clears - someone will grab him. Work ethic has been heavily criticized, and I wouldn't doubt his injury struggles are directly related to his lack of conditioning. That said, this kid has some real talent.

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^ I believe that only happens on re-entry waivers. And there's no re-entry waivers during the off-season. He's also an RFA.

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If Gillis didn't want Jokinen because of character issues - I highly doubt he'd take a chance on Wellwood. Unmovitated, lack of desire, injury prone (partly because of lack of committment to hockey [ie., training properly to get into shape]) + currently has a broken foot. Pass.

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06-24-2008, 02:21 PM
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It only applies when the player is on re-entry waivers. If Toronto calls him up and somebody claims him, then they pick up half of his salary. Right now, any team that claims him will still pay his full salary.

Also, I dunno, it could be another experiment that will just turn out like the Ryan Shannon experiment.

Or...we could have a Raymond - Wellwood - Shannon line to speed the **** out of the opposition. But then they'd overskate the puck, causing a turnover and an odd man rush going the other way.
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I hope you realize Wellwood is a crappy skater and extremely out of shape. Shannon/Raymond can prolly glide faster than Wellwood at top speed.

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06-24-2008, 02:22 PM
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I hope you realize Wellwood is a crappy skater and extremely out of shape. Shannon/Raymond can prolly glide faster than Wellwood at top speed.

Tie two ropes to Wellwood and Shannon/Raymond can pull Pillsbury along and let him pot some goals with those soft hands of his.



I could see Nonis grabbing this guy. Gillis, maybe since it would be a free pickup as opposed to Jokinen, maybe he looks at him.


Regardless of Wellwood's baggage, I don't see how he will get through waivers, someone will take a chance on him and hope he decides to do something with his skills.

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If Gillis didn't want Jokinen because of character issues - I highly doubt he'd take a chance on Wellwood. Unmovitated, lack of desire, injury prone (partly because of lack of committment to hockey [ie., training properly to get into shape]) + currently has a broken foot. Pass.
Jokinen's character issues were magnified because of the cost/risk associated with acquiring him.

I'm not a huge fan of his, but Wellwood would be very low risk, and at the very least would make our powerplay more dynamic. Wouldn't mind him as the 13th forward.

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06-24-2008, 02:27 PM
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Isn't Wellwood heading into RFA?

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While first inclination would be to grab him, as it costs you nothing except salary, and he is not exactly expensive... you have to wonder if you want an asset the Leafs are willing to cut loose. Small center, very soft but with skills, not sure what role he fills here. He is the type of player that needs to be in the top 2 lines, or he is riding a bike. You can't have him in a checking role, and if you put him out there with Daniel and Henrik, the line will get absolutely steam rolled. That leaves you with very limited options... I would have to say, pass.

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06-24-2008, 02:29 PM
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Isn't Wellwood heading into RFA?
I believe so... his QO would be about $1M.

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Isn't Ryan Shannon our version of him?

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Isn't Wellwood heading into RFA?
Yeah, but I don't think the qualifying offer would break the bank. The question is if he is worth the qualifying offer. I suppose that may be the Leafs thinking, he made 950K last year, and given his limited production, and even more limited contributions off the scoresheet, is that he should be signed for significantly less.

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06-24-2008, 02:34 PM
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Isn't Ryan Shannon our version of him?
No, Wellwood's fatter and slower.

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No, Wellwood's fatter and slower.
Although he did put up almost a point a game in the NHL one season (admittedly for only 48 games). And Shannon's never done that.

Frankly, I'm surprised Toronto waived him. Seems like his 975K contract was the least of their problems.


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No, Wellwood's fatter and slower.
And a far superior player.

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a million bucks for a guy (if plays all year) will get 40 or 50 points guranteed.
If stays healthy and has a good year could put up 60-70 points.

If gets hurt we lose a million bucks. Big deal.

I think they take a shot at him FOR SURE.

Worst case you lose a million bucks. If were playing Pyatt as a legit #1 line guy, Wellwood would be the saviour (if healthy for the whole year) .

At least Wellwood is Fat & has hands ! Pyatt is just Fat. lol

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06-24-2008, 02:50 PM
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Wellwood isn't that good he's a very weak player with a terrible shots and cannot play defence or any kind of physical game. His playmaking is okay at best. Stay away!

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And a far superior player.
Honestly, I'm not adverse to picking him up since it costs us nothing, but here's his pros and cons as listed by a Leaf fan:

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- Creative with the puck
- Young

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- Never has the puck because he's too weak to battle for it or keep it in his possession
- Small
- Terrible shot
- Not a very good skater
- No work ethic, at all
- Unconditioned (doesn't help he re-injured himself this offseason, won't be in shape for camp, it's like a cycle for this guy)
- Injury prone

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Well, for what it's worth (not much, I know), Eklund expects Welwood to end up here.

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06-24-2008, 03:08 PM
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Eklund expects Welwood to end up here.
Canucks won't get him now

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Well, for what it's worth (not much, I know), Eklund expects Welwood to end up here.
I hope not. He's small, non-physical, has extremely poor conditioning and a terrible work ethic, is a below-average skater...if Gillis feels these are the kinds of players that will turn this team around I have very little hope for the future. The guy is a bum.

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The fact that Toronto, who are likely losing the only player on their roster that scored more than 60 points last year, waived him doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his ability.

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The fact that Toronto, who are likely losing the only player on their roster that scored more than 60 points last year, waived him doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his ability.
Yes--but at the same time it is Toronto, and when has their decision making ever inspired confidence in anyone?

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