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06-25-2008, 02:22 PM
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Not fans, fan.

Fan.

Why are people acting like sticknrink = all of us? Holy ****.

This is the kind of thing that drives me nuts. 900 fans in favor of the move. 2 fans against it, and the posters go ape on the 2 fans against it and act like they are the majority. Jesus F.
I'm not going to go through the thread and pick out individual posters quotes because that isn't my style, but you're flat-out wrong if you think sticknrink is the only one going a bit bonkers over this acquistion (for even more evidence check-out the main Wellwood thread on the Trades & Rumours board). In fact, my reference wasn't really even directed at the post you mentioned or I would have QUOTED HIM. You have got to be the most flat-out defensive guy on these boards, flying off the handle over generalizations in pretty much every thread. Relax.

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06-25-2008, 02:23 PM
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Very good pick up by the C anucks... Im a Habs fan so I got to see him 8 times every year and maybe the guy has attitude problems, but he has skills... let's hope for you guys he gets the wake up call..

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06-25-2008, 02:24 PM
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I just don't see where he fits in our lineup...

- Doesn't fit on the Sedin line...he is more of a playmaker than goal scorer
- Doesn't fit on the 3rd line...apparently he is pretty bad defensively
- Doesn't fit on our 2nd line....depending on what Gillis does. I would HOPE that we get a better center
- Doesn't fit on our 4th line...isn't a physical guy.

so where would you play him?

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06-25-2008, 02:24 PM
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If I gave you 4 options for a deal

High Risk, High Reward
High Risk, Low Reward
Low Risk, Low Reward
Low Risk, High Reward

I'm sure pretty much all of you would choose Low Risk High Reward. So here you go. Wellwood.
Premature to label Wellwood as High Reward, but you're right, Low Risk is good. Even if he turns out Low Reward, it's really no big deal.

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06-25-2008, 02:25 PM
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I just don't see where he fits in our lineup...

- Doesn't fit on the Sedin line...he is more of a playmaker than goal scorer
- Doesn't fit on the 3rd line...apparently he is pretty bad defensively
- Doesn't fit on our 2nd line....depending on what Gillis does. I would HOPE that we get a better center
- Doesn't fit on our 4th line...isn't a physical guy.

so where would you play him?
You find a place for him if he is good on the PP.. he could play on a 'defensive' line if the other players were strong defensively. Even as a PP specialist, he'd be a big upgrade to our 2nd unit.

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06-25-2008, 02:26 PM
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Man...I'm not a fan of this move, but I suppose it's technically a "risk-free" move in that it didn't cost anything to give him a shot. But still, Gillis goes on-and-on about how he wants the team to be more competitive, harder to play against, etc etc and so he aquires a guy that's so lazy and unmotivated he can't keep himself in decent shape? Yikes.

Wellwood is the polar opposite of the type of player I like, and IMO is the exact opposite of the kinds of players you need to win. He's afraid of everything physical (I've seen him actually stop before going into corners to fight for the puck because he's afraid to get hit...I mean, even the Sedins don't pull that BS), is lazy, shows absolutely no passion or intensity...I know he has skill but so did Alex Daigle. Skill is useless if you aren't going to break a sweat during the game.

I dunno...maybe a change of scenery will turn this kid around. I'm not going to call it a failure but I sure have my doubts. At least now I have a new Canuck to HATE now that Cooke is gone. haha

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06-25-2008, 02:26 PM
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I just don't see where he fits in our lineup...

- Doesn't fit on the Sedin line...he is more of a playmaker than goal scorer
- Doesn't fit on the 3rd line...apparently he is pretty bad defensively
- Doesn't fit on our 2nd line....depending on what Gillis does. I would HOPE that we get a better center
- Doesn't fit on our 4th line...isn't a physical guy.

so where would you play him?
I look at him like a utitlity infielder. He has strengths where the Canucks have weaknesses, and while he might not be an anchor on our second line, he can be slotted in at key situations. The team has been less than stellar on the PP, in the faceoff circle, and in the shootout; three areas where Wellwood happens to be better-than-average.

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06-25-2008, 02:31 PM
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I don't see how claiming Wellwood, a 25 year old with skills, off waivers is a Nonis move. Wellwood, for all his faults, has much, much more upside than Ritchie or Goren or Bouck or Cowan or any of Nonis's pick-ups.

As long as it's not in the top, say, 5 moves he makes this off-season it's alright.
Agreed. As long as Gillis hasn't become an avid fan of B.C.'s finest the risks here minimal. It's not like he's going to sign Wellwood to a Mike Richards life contract. And if Wellwood takes this 2nd chance with another Canadian team as an opportunity to start taking both his training and his career seriously again there is a pretty decent amount of upside.

Just look at Ribeiro, I (and many many others) had completely written him off but he seems to have found his game again while playing for Dallas. Who would have thought he had some heart? I sure didn't.....


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06-25-2008, 02:32 PM
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How can you not understand that?
Wellwood is everything BUT character, integrity and intelligence. The things that made Gillis say "no" to Jokinen. Wellwood is a small player, 5-foot-10, 180 lbs, and has 7 minor penalties in his whole NHL career. Wellwood is lazy, selfish, just a bad team player all around. He's also injured all the time.

In addition to that, there's absolutely no place for Wellwood in our lineup. So yeah, there's not a lot of risks in this move, probably the only one is he's going to screw up the team spirit, but there's no good features either.

I hate this move. Looks like Wellwood is being brought to replace Morrison? That's a horrible, horrible trade off.

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06-25-2008, 02:32 PM
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**** team1040 is garbage right now, talking about blowing up the team and trading away Sedins, Luongo...

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06-25-2008, 02:32 PM
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I look at him like a utitlity infielder. He has strengths where the Canucks have weaknesses, and while he might not be an anchor on our second line, he can be slotted in at key situations. The team has been less than stellar on the PP, in the faceoff circle, and in the shootout; three areas where Wellwood happens to be better-than-average.
True...but none of that matters unless he is in good shape, and from all reports he isn't. I am not a fan of this move, simply because it goes against everything Gillis has been preaching (character, integrity, speed, strength). Wellwood, from what we have seen/heard has none of those.

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06-25-2008, 02:35 PM
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**** team1040 is garbage right now, talking about blowing up the team and trading away Sedins, Luongo...
Don't listen?

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06-25-2008, 02:37 PM
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Don't listen?
Waiting till Wellwood is on, but I forgot what time it's going to start, anyone can help me out here?

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I like this pickup, Wellwood adds some much needed depth for us.

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06-25-2008, 02:39 PM
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Waiting till Wellwood is on, but I forgot what time it's going to start, anyone can help me out here?
i heard 1:40 ish

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06-25-2008, 02:42 PM
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i heard 1:40 ish
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LOL I forgot about he he has like zero PIM's in the last few seasons. And before those of you who have never even put on skates start saying "NO PIM'S IS GOOD!!", no, it isn't. It just means he doesn't get involved enough in the game to actually be in a position to take a penalty. Even the most sportsmanlike players in the league take an occasional crosschecking or hooking penalty just because they are battling for the puck and are involved in the game. Wellwood never battles for pucks so he can't get a penalty in a scrum. He never backchecks so there's no chance of hooking or holding PIM's, he won't hit so no chance of penalties there, doesn't go near the crease for fear of being touched so no chance of goalie interference there...

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**** team1040 is garbage right now, talking about blowing up the team and trading away Sedins, Luongo...
I'm surprised some of the people that call into Team 1040 have the mental capacity to operate a telephone. I'd bet every cent I have that the people calling in suggesting that sort of **** are the same people who were whining their faces off that Burke/Nonis should trade the Sedins for 'a bag of pucks, because they're busts who will never be anything more than 3rd liners'.

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Vigneault is a fanatic about conditioning. If Wellwood shows up at camp fat and out of shape he is going to be doing bag skates and runs up the Grind all of September.

At 25, Wellwood is not too old the turn his career around. He has world class hands and was once a top rated junior and minor pro player. If he can get his act together we end up with a talented young player at a bargain basement price. If he can't, his stay in Vancouver will be short. All that is risked is little more than an entry level contract.

He is not going to cost us a lot. He is an RFA with (judging by the fact that multiple teams passed on him on the waiver wire) few suitors for an offersheet. I don't know if he is elligible for arbitration, but he is not going to command a high salary.

At the very least, he will improve our PP and face offs. And if Vigneault can squeeze some work ethic out of him he could be converted to a RW and played with the Sedins as a RH shooting winger with good hands.

Since he will likely come in at close to $1M or even less, if he can't get his act together he can be waived and assigned to Manitoba. If someone picks him up - no loss. Picking up Wellwood does not significantly limit Gillis from any of the more major moves that he needs to make this summer.

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06-25-2008, 02:47 PM
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Pyatt - Wellwood - Pettinger

How does that sound?

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check-out the main Wellwood thread on the Trades & Rumours board
And why in God's name would I do that? We all know that the main forum, as well as CDC, are hell-holes. Why go to Vancouver to complain about Edmonton? (See what I did there? Clever guy, is this one.)

And I AM ****ING RELAXED.

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Cowan, Wellwood, and Pettinger are all signed with the Canucks for next year. Man, this is not looking good for us.

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At 25, Wellwood is not too old the turn his career around. He has world class hands and was once a top rated junior and minor pro player. If he can get his act together we end up with a talented young player at a bargain basement price. If he can't, his stay in Vancouver will be short. All that is risked is little more than an entry level contract.
Out of curiousity, anyone have an idea why he was picked in the fifth round? Size issues?

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I'm surprised some of the people that call into Team 1040 have the mental capacity to operate a telephone. I'd bet every cent I have that the people calling in suggesting that sort of **** are the same people who were whining their faces off that Burke/Nonis should trade the Sedins for 'a bag of pucks, because they're busts who will never be anything more than 3rd liners'.
I can't believe how many people are calling in and agreeing with this ******.

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Cowan, Wellwood, and Pettinger are all signed with the Canucks for next year. Man, this is not looking good for us.
I have nothing against Pettinger. Wellwood remains to be seen. Cowan though...

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