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06-23-2008, 09:55 AM
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OFFICIAL '08 -'09 Bruin's Salary Cap thread

I figured it may be time to start a thread with Free Agency coming up.
If somebody wants to update current dollars against the proposed new ceiling number...have at it.

link to last year's thread:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=398506

also a good resource site for salaries:

http://www.nhlscap.com/

ceiling - 56.7 million.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2417...headlines_main

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06-23-2008, 11:22 AM
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Boston:

Andrew Alberts: 1,250,000
P.J. Axelsson: 1,850,000
Patrice Bergeron: 4,750,000
Zdeno Chara: 7,500,000
Andrew Ference: 1,400,000
Manny Fernandez: 4,333,333
Shane Hnidy: 757,000
Phil Kessel: 2,200,000
Chuck Kobasew: 2,333,333
David Krejci: 883,333
Milan Lucic: 850,000
Glen Murray: 4,150,000
Jeremy Reich: 487,500
Marc Savard: 5,000,000
Peter Schaefer: 2,100,000
Vladimir Sobotka: 750,000
Mark Stuart: 1,300,000
Marco Sturm: 3,500,000
Tim Thomas: 1,100,000
Shawn Thornton: 516,667
Aaron Ward: 2,500,000

Salary Cap: $56,300,000
Total: $49,511,666
Available $6,788,334

Providence:

Byron Bitz: 740,000
Matt Hunwick: 750,000
Martins Karsums: 883,333
Matt Lashoff: 850,000
Adam Mcquaid: 623,333
Wacey Rabbit: 506,667
Tuukka Rask: 3,200,000


Amateur:

Andrew Bodnarchuk: 708,333
Adam Courchaine: 513,889
Zach Hamill: 1,345,833
Jeff Lovecchio: 707,500
Mikko Lehtonen: 800,000
Brad Marchand: 812,667
Matt Marquardt: 683,333
Levi Nelson: 583,333
Jeff Penner: 1,208,333
Kevin Regan: 770,000
Carl Söderberg: 763,333


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06-25-2008, 11:22 AM
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how about Wheeler?

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how about Wheeler?
Wheeler "will be signing" with the Bruins on July 1st... he's still a FA until then.

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anything about wideman???

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I wonder why Jeff Penner wanted a deal that would pay him at 1.2m if he made it. Say him and a few other guys were playing equally as well....the other guy has a cap hit of 800k....who do they choose? Simply put, his contract could keep him in Providence unless he is really playing above and beyond. Perhaps it has something to do with the signing bonus, but I think his agent actually does him a disservice by having that high of a cap hit. Whatever...he wont be on the big club anyway, but I just find it interesting.

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56.7 for the 2008-09 season

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06-29-2008, 05:56 PM
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Bruins Current Cap Space on 30th: $8,820,001

Hey Fans,

Here's the link to the new program that updates the cap space as it happens:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=BOS

We should sticky this...it shows all the players that are on the books for the Bruins in the big league and minors and for all the years we have someone on contract. As you can see we have $8,820,001 in space WITH MURRAY ON THE BOOKS.

You could offer Hossa 8 million and use the Murray buyout money and the leftovers to sign Wideman. These are the actual numbers because we didn't tabulate the bonus money.

I also like the way our top players are spread out over the next couple years! The countdown is on!

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I just saw this also, I am assuming that the bonus money has to due with qualifiers who did not reach bonuses and something with the injuries last season. It also includes Karsums money.

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Another 83k comes off when you swap Karsums with Sobotka. Although I would rather switch Sobotka with Schaefer and keep Karsums up, but such is life.

Is Sodeberg's cap hit only 765k? I guess that makes sense seeing he is a second rounder. Puts him in a good spot to make the team out of camp. Interested to see the terms of Blake Wheeler's deal.

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Here's the link

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=BOS

As of this post, we have $8,820,001 in space to spend tomorrow. If Hossa wants more than 8.5 you watch him go...

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Either way, becaus of the bonuses not made (I am thinking Kessel might of had a 20 goal bonus, thank god he got 19!) we have that room...

It's a lot more than the 6.7 we were all assuming we had...8.8 is enough to offer Hossa 8.25-8.5 and use the rest and the buyout money from Murray to sign Wideman...

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Oh and Wheeler will get the $850,000 max but won't count on the cap unless he makes the team out of camp and plays 10 games or more...

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Oh and Wheeler will get the $850,000 max but won't count on the cap unless he makes the team out of camp and plays 10 games or more...
I am sure his cap hit will be higher due to bonuses, however.

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I agree that he may have bonuses laced in there, but if coming out of Tuesday we have Hossa signed for 8.25-8.5 then you have 300-500k left...you buyout Murray and now you have the 3.1-3.2 for Wideman.

Finally, all you have left to tweak is the PJ trade for a draft pick (Which many teams will do) and you have replaced Murray with Hossa, and Soderberg with Axelsson...

You also have the Nokie money from the PJ trade and probably a million tops space...spend the rest of July and August seeing if there is a market for anyone for a draft (Sobodka, Nokie, Schaefer) Hell, someone might be near the basement and will take a chance on Murray after the Wideman move...

...I just hope this puts the 'we don't have the cap space/money to sign Hossa' talk to rest...if he wants to be here he will...if someone offers him more than 8.5 (now you are in Crosby money) then you sensibly pass on the signing and focus on other aspects...

Strum - Savard - Hossa
Lucic - Bergeron - Kessel
Schaefer - Krecji - Kobasew
Soderberg - Sobodka - Thornton

Nokie, Wheeler, Reich on reserve

Chara - Wideman
Ward - Ference
Stuart - Alberts

Lashoff, Hnidy

*Not a dream or fantasy, just what can be done on July 1st.*

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Also, we can play it tight to the cap because we have 13 million coming off the books next season between Murray, Fernandez, Axelsson, and others

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Okay, but whatever math people are using to obtain their personal idea of what the Bruins cap space will be has to include the fact that PC can add a max of 5.6M on top of that in an effort to sign his UFAs.

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Hey Fans,

Here's the link to the new program that updates the cap space as it happens:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=BOS

We should sticky this...it shows all the players that are on the books for the Bruins in the big league and minors and for all the years we have someone on contract. As you can see we have $8,820,001 in space WITH MURRAY ON THE BOOKS.

You could offer Hossa 8 million and use the Murray buyout money and the leftovers to sign Wideman. These are the actual numbers because we didn't tabulate the bonus money.

I also like the way our top players are spread out over the next couple years! The countdown is on!
Actually, we only have $7M in cap space. He's just not including the bonuses in his 'cap space' figure but they count against the cap from day 1 until the player(s) prove they can no longer attain the bonuses.

For example, Mark Stuart had a bonus in his rookie deal for games played, once he spent enough games in the minors, they could call him up without his bonus counting against the cap.

So the B's true cap space number according to his AAV salaries is $7,055,001.
(And Wideman & Nokia will lower our cap space by another ~ $4M.)

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Hey Fans,

Here's the link to the new program that updates the cap space as it happens:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=BOS

We should sticky this...it shows all the players that are on the books for the Bruins in the big league and minors and for all the years we have someone on contract. As you can see we have $8,820,001 in space WITH MURRAY ON THE BOOKS.

You could offer Hossa 8 million and use the Murray buyout money and the leftovers to sign Wideman. These are the actual numbers because we didn't tabulate the bonus money.

I also like the way our top players are spread out over the next couple years! The countdown is on!
anybody else starting to think/worry that murray puts on the black and gold 27 for one more year?

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I agree that he may have bonuses laced in there, but if coming out of Tuesday we have Hossa signed for 8.25-8.5 then you have 300-500k left...you buyout Murray and now you have the 3.1-3.2 for Wideman.

Finally, all you have left to tweak is the PJ trade for a draft pick (Which many teams will do) and you have replaced Murray with Hossa, and Soderberg with Axelsson...

You also have the Nokie money from the PJ trade and probably a million tops space...spend the rest of July and August seeing if there is a market for anyone for a draft (Sobodka, Nokie, Schaefer) Hell, someone might be near the basement and will take a chance on Murray after the Wideman move...

...I just hope this puts the 'we don't have the cap space/money to sign Hossa' talk to rest...if he wants to be here he will...if someone offers him more than 8.5 (now you are in Crosby money) then you sensibly pass on the signing and focus on other aspects...

Strum - Savard - Hossa
Lucic - Bergeron - Kessel
Schaefer - Krecji - Kobasew
Soderberg - Sobodka - Thornton

Nokie, Wheeler, Reich on reserve

Chara - Wideman
Ward - Ference
Stuart - Alberts

Lashoff, Hnidy

*Not a dream or fantasy, just what can be done on July 1st.*
I disagree. After Wideman & Nokia the B's will only have $3M in cap space left. If they sign Hossa to an $8M contract (although I agree it will take more), then they'd have to clear $5M in cap space. But that's harder than you think, because you also have to factor in their replacements.

For example at first glance the B's could just buyout Murray ($2.8 savings) and waive/trade Schaefer for a pick ($2.1 savings) to get to $5M. But Hossa only replaces Murray. The cap is based on 23 players so you have to call up someone, say Karsums- his cap hit is $883k, so you've really only cleared $4.1M. Now you've got to move another player, one who makes over $1.85M so that when you subtract the cost of his rookie replacement (~ $850k), you're total savings is over $1M. And even after all that manuevering, you're right up against the cap, with no room for short term call-ups or short term injury replacements.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but to make these moves requires a ton of activity on Chiarelli's part, and two or three willing trade partners- and it's hard to trade players during free agency, when team's can just sign guys for cash, and it's harder still when your trade partners know they have you over a barrel because you're over the cap.

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You can have the replacement as Karsums because if you look at the link:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=BOS

Karsums is already on the books for the Bruins this year and the upcoming year...Murray is taken over by Hossa, and you have PJ you need to replace...with Soderberg.

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This site just ripped off nhlscap.com

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Oh and Wheeler will get the $850,000 max but won't count on the cap unless he makes the team out of camp and plays 10 games or more...
The maximum for a 2004 pick isn't 850k.

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The maximum for a 2004 pick isn't 850k.
Because he walked from Phx, the '04 rules don't apply.

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You can have the replacement as Karsums because if you look at the link:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=BOS

Karsums is already on the books for the Bruins this year and the upcoming year...Murray is taken over by Hossa, and you have PJ you need to replace...with Soderberg.
The point remains- 23 players count against the cap, and your roster would have a $58.1M cap hit.

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