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06-29-2008, 03:39 PM
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I'm guessing one of two options:

1) Break the bank. Risk long term damage.

2) Transition year, but stay competitive.

Both free agent class and rookie class improves dramatically next summer/fall.


2008
FA class: Hossa, Malone, Campbell, Redden, Ryder, etc.

Rookie class: Korpikoski, Byers(?), Moore(?), Anisimov(?)


2009
FA class: http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents...09&status=none

Rookie class: Cherepanov, Anisimov, Sanguinetti, Wiikman(?), LeNeveu(?)


2010
FA class: http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents...10&status=none

Rookie class: Grachev(?)


2011
FA class: http://www.nhlnumbers.com/freeagents...11&status=none

Rookie class: Del Zotto, Stepan(?)



I'm sure these are the facts they are weighing. What they want to accomplish in 2008-2009 and how will that effect or damage their plans for the future.
Precisely, and I believe the plan is transition.


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2010.

At the old age of 27.

Which is why i am not opposed to sign Jagr for 2 years. Just as long as he plays with who we have. Not wasting money on guys to compliment him.

Because after those two years are up, we can target and go hard after Kovalchuk.
Exactly. That's also why I wouldn't be opposed to signing Sundin. it's two years. When his contract ends, they can devote that money to trying to get Kovalchuk. Better that then overpaying Hossa for 7 years.

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I say there is no way Kovy becomes a UFA in 2010. Atlanta will get something from him at the trade deadline, and I am sure that team will try to sign him.
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Bingo. He'll get moved at the deadline (or sooner) like Hossa did, and Atlanta will cash in. Chances are someone will offer a big package with some conditional picks for Atlanta if Kovalchuk signs with them. I don't see us being that team to be honest.
Why not? The only other way to get a talent of Kovlachuk's talent is the draftm and getting a top 4 pick is pretty tough. This team has depth at most roles, but not at the elite scoring forward role. This is what they need.

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Kovalchuk is on another echelon then Hossa.

Hossa is not a generational talent. Kovalchuk is. He is the best goalscorer in the NHL besides Ovechkin.

Perennial 50 goal scorers don't grow on trees.

What Atlanta does with him has NO barring on what HE does.

No chance he passes up possibly league max (10/year now).
Exactly, and he'd be worth it even if we need to trade some stuff to get him at the deadline. By all accounts, Kovalchuk ISN'T pleased with Atlanta. Not the location, but rather the team's inability to improve and inability to get him a playmaking center to play with.

Aside from Bogosian and Enstrom on defense, they've got nothing going for them. Even their goalie of the future, Lehtonen, can't find consistency.

Meanwhile, we could offer him a spot next to Gomez, who fits him like a glove. We could offer him money, we could offer him the chance to play and live in the city that most Russians prefer to play and live in, and we could offer him a team with a lot of young talent, a fantastic goalie and good veteran leadership, not to mention a few other Russians to play with.

Plus, Kovalchuk would give the Rangers an exciting, high-scoring superstar in his prime with plenty of years of greatness left in the tank. That's going to sell some tickets and sell some jerseys. It would be great for marketing.

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06-29-2008, 04:23 PM
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How should we know? All there is to do is speculate, and even still, speculation will be tainted with our own strategies.
I agree but I sure find this more interesting than some of the inane line combination speculation that is out there.

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06-29-2008, 04:26 PM
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Let Jagr and Avery walk, finalize the rebuild with a couple of signings.

Is this what I want to happen? No. But I think that's what's going to happen come Tuesday

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06-29-2008, 11:42 PM
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I never expected RFAs to be in the Rangers game plan but with other options starting to come off the board already, I am having second thoughts. This could get ugly.

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I never expected RFAs to be in the Rangers game plan but with other options starting to come off the board already, I am having second thoughts. This could get ugly.
Definitely becoming more likely. If it means getting the right players for this team, I'm all for it.

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06-30-2008, 12:58 AM
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Can anyone supply us with, or can point us in a good direction of, actual dollar amounts of each player for the upcoming year? I mean losing guys like Aves, Jags, Malik, Shanny, etc has to add up to around 12-13million, or is that low?
Assuming some guys get resigned, like Rozy, what number are we at, committed? Or reversely, how much we actually have left to spend?

I'd let Jagr, Avery, Shanny, Straka and Malik all walk. Maybe move Backman and Hollweg. That's got to free up the room we need to make a decent splash in the UFA pool. Fill in spots, bring up youngsters, make this a transition season, but positive from a long term point of view.


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06-30-2008, 12:59 AM
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Can anyone supply us with, or can point us in a good direction of, actual dollar amounts of each player for the upcoming year? I mean losing guys like Aves, Jags, Malik, Shanny, etc has to add up to around 12-13million, or is that low?
Assuming some guys get resigned, like Rozy, what number are we at, committed? Or reversely, how much we actually have left to spend?
19,702,407 left to spend. 17 players signed allready.

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06-30-2008, 01:05 AM
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Sather is probably sitting in his chair laughing like a mad-man but then he realized the trade and signings he just did were in NHL 08.

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19,702,407 left to spend. 17 players signed allready.
Thanks a lot Nick.

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06-30-2008, 10:15 AM
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Well Larry Brooks predicted it last year about Drury and Gomez and he is trying to do it again.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06302008...agr_117886.htm

in a nutshell for those who don't want to read

Sign Sundin, resign Jagr, Avery, Rozsival

Sundin and Jagr on the first line

Drury and Gomez on the 2nd line

how Sather would pull that out of his ass is beyond me.

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06-30-2008, 09:14 PM
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Based on Uncle Larry's flip flop from Sunday's to Monday's paper, it seems he has no idea what the Rangers strategy is either.

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07-01-2008, 08:18 PM
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Well I'll try and answer my own question. I think the Rangers recognize that Pittsburgh is going to be the team to beat in the East for the next several years. Even if salary cap considerations cause the Penguins to trade Malkin, he would bring back enough in trade to surround Crosby and Staal with an outstanding supporting cast. They also have a very good goaltender. So with that all said, I think that Sather and Company are going to concentrate on building this team from the back out compete with the Penguins. The Pens will be difficult to outscore. That means at least one nasty defenseman in addition to what is already on hand plus one high end player. One dimensional players need not apply. And with Staal, Girardi and Tyutin filling three of the six spots for the next two years at approx. $5MM it gives us a tremendous base to work with. Once the defense is rebuilt, then I suspect the forward lines will be populated with more north-south players who are responsible defensively (i.e. Malone, Rolston and (here's one to remember) Jay Pandolfo. I expect a team, that will be much like the vintage Devils in discipline, style, character and toughness in coming year. Only (hopefully) better.
In retrospect, one of my better posts.

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07-01-2008, 08:43 PM
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I believe this is the current plan:

Drury ($7.05 million) – Gomez ($7.357 million) – Ryder ($3.5 million)
Prucha ($1.6 million) – Dubinsky ($633k) – Dawes ($1 million)
Sjostrom ($650k) - Korpikoski ($1.018 million) – Callahan ($575k)
Rissmiller ($1 million) – Betts ($615k) – Voros ($1 million)

Redden ($6.5 million) – Rozsival ($5 million)
Staal ($827k) – Girardi ($1.55 million)
Tyutin ($2.843 million) – Backman ($2.3 million)

Lundqvist ($6.875 million)
Valiquette ($800k?)

Jamtin ($800k?)
Strudwick ($500k)

Total: $53.993 million
Cap Number: $54.693 million

That team is a playoff team for sure.

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07-01-2008, 09:05 PM
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Maybe Ryder
Maybe jagr
Maybe someone else (Avery?)
Not Hossa or Nδslund
Sundin too expen$IVO
Remember the talent pool is very deep in the future so not too many longterm deals are possible with all that is invested in hank, drury, redden roszie & gomez and talent moving up...

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I believe this is the current plan:

Drury ($7.05 million) – Gomez ($7.357 million) – Ryder ($3.5 million)
Prucha ($1.6 million) – Dubinsky ($633k) – Dawes ($1 million)
Sjostrom ($650k) - Korpikoski ($1.018 million) – Callahan ($575k)
Rissmiller ($1 million) – Betts ($615k) – Voros ($1 million)

Redden ($6.5 million) – Rozsival ($5 million)
Staal ($827k) – Girardi ($1.55 million)
Tyutin ($2.843 million) – Backman ($2.3 million)

Lundqvist ($6.875 million)
Valiquette ($800k?)

Jamtin ($800k?)
Strudwick ($500k)

Total: $53.993 million
Cap Number: $54.693 million

That team is a playoff team for sure.
Oh man..if Ryder is our first line winger then we have some MAJOR problems. Hab fans would never stop laughing at that.

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Ryder signs with Boston

4 mill/3 years

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Ryder is gone, Boston signed him.

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Ryder just signed with Boston, 4M for 3 years...thank GOD we didnt sign him!

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Sather, pick up the phone and call up Huselius. That will at least fill a 2nd line hole for not that much.

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If the Rangers can somehow get a top winger in here and sign a guy like Meittinen whos a versatile solid two-way guy, itll fill out the top lines a little better.

They are seriously lacking up front though and i REALLY think its time to move away from Jagr now even though they;ve painted themselves in a corner so to say.

Its definitely going to be interesting the next couple days, because the Rangers cant wait for something to happen (wait for Jagr to make a decision) they have to go out and get it.

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If the Rangers can somehow get a top winger in here and sign a guy like Meittinen whos a versatile solid two-way guy, itll fill out the top lines a little better.

They are seriously lacking up front though and i REALLY think its time to move away from Jagr now even though they;ve painted themselves in a corner so to say.

Its definitely going to be interesting the next couple days, because the Rangers cant wait for something to happen (wait for Jagr to make a decision) they have to go out and get it.
Huselius wouldn't be a bad choice, especially if he is a playmaking winger on Drury's line, maybe help him score some more goals and break the 30 plateau. Altho, Naslund on Gomez's wing is looking decent right now too. And if Markus is only going to be $3 million to come to a contender, then i would go for it.

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We need Huselius in the worst way. He'll probably cost 4.5-5 mill though. Get it done.

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In fact, we may be able to get a Huselius and squeak in Naslund, which can turn out to be a best case scenario for us. Both have been 30+ goal scorers.

Dawes-Gomez-Huselius
Naslund-Drury-Prucha
Korpikoski-Dubinsky-Callahan
Sjostrom-Betts-Rissmiller

Staal-Redden
Tyutin-Rozsival
Girardi-Potter/Sauer

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Say no to Huselius. Even his name gives me the creeps. I don't want him anywhere near the blueshirts.

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cmn SATHER we need fowards..you better pull something off tommorow

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