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Rangers Prospect Poll #10

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Miika Wiikman (G) 9 9.47%
Hugh Jessiman (F) 9 9.47%
Carl Hagelin (F) 21 22.11%
Corey Potter (D) 21 22.11%
Ryan Hiller (F) 25 26.32%
Tomas Zaborsky (F) 10 10.53%
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06-30-2008, 12:51 PM
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Excellent? Really?
I would say so. He was terrific in the first half of the season and impressed coaches and scouts alike with his work ethic and commitment to responsible play at both ends of the ice. Every quote relating to Hagelin I read said that his offensive potential was apparent every time he stepped onto the ice. This, from a freshman playing against the best competition in college hockey, is impressive! IMO, of course... To each his own.

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06-30-2008, 01:34 PM
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voted Hagelin...

Would have rather voted for Moore. Thats my vote for add.

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Hagelin surges into the lead! This morning Potter had a 6 or 7 vote lead in early voting and looked like he would take it.

EDIT: Fine, if we can't add Premsyl Duben, add Greg Moore.

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Hagelin surges into the lead! This morning Potter had a 6 or 7 vote lead in early voting and looked like he would take it.

EDIT: Fine, if we can't add Premsyl Duben, add Greg Moore.
Over-rated

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06-30-2008, 02:10 PM
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Over-rated
Heheh, yeah, who am I kidding, he's obviously ECHL fodder!

That's why I love these polls, especially after the top 6 or 7 guys... So many opinions, differing to such a vast degree. It's cool, and it often times helps bring people back down to earth in their assessments of guys they have hardly seen yet expect the world of.

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06-30-2008, 02:23 PM
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I think if Hagelin takes the 10 spot we've seriously overrated him.

He's got some good skills, but there are guys on that list that I think are better prospects by a pretty wide margin.

Though I have a feeling Hagelin is going to be our new "HF Boards Only" prospect. His value will be higher here than anywhere else. And a few years from now we'll have people swearing he deserves a look and how stupid the Rangers are for not giving him a chance, etc.

There's always at least one, usually no more than two. It's like the damn Sith.

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06-30-2008, 02:24 PM
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Heheh, yeah, who am I kidding, he's obviously ECHL fodder!

That's why I love these polls, especially after the top 6 or 7 guys... So many opinions, differing to such a vast degree. It's cool, and it often times helps bring people back down to earth in their assessments of guys they have hardly seen yet expect the world of.
Thats the thing, i've seen enough around here to know we overrate most of our prospects, itd be nice to let them develop a bit until we start labelling them anything from ECHL to NHL all star.

These polls can be fun, but you can't take anything serious.

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It'd be a little easier to take seriously but 80% of the people couldn't really even tell you anything about the prospect outside of what they've read or the stats they've looked up. That's not a bad thing until you start having to argue with them about it.

That's where it can get a big frustrating.

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It'd be a little easier to take seriously but 80% of the people couldn't really even tell you anything about the prospect outside of what they've read or the stats they've looked up.
Its not very humble by me to say this -- but I think this poll have turned into sheit... Worst poll we ever had.

Stephan so high. Hagelin even among the options...

Jessiman not on the list yet. I think its reasonable to expect Hagelin to become a border line AHL player. Jessiman is a borderline NHL player now.

Who is Zabrosky and what have he done? I've seen him in the WJC, he just isn't good enough overall to even become good in the AHL. He's a very bad pick from a overrated Slovak year group -- I am sure he stood out among his peer before he went to the CHL but I would bet my right arm on that he never would have been drafted if he had played in the CHL. The Slovaks isn't the Czech.

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Its not very humble by me to say this -- but I think this poll have turned into sheit... Worst poll we ever had.

Stephan so high. Hagelin even among the options...

Jessiman not on the list yet. I think its reasonable to expect Hagelin to become a border line AHL player. Jessiman is a borderline NHL player now.

Who is Zabrosky and what have he done? I've seen him in the WJC, he just isn't good enough overall to even become good in the AHL. He's a very bad pick from a overrated Slovak year group -- I am sure he stood out among his peer before he went to the CHL but I would bet my right arm on that he never would have been drafted if he had played in the CHL. The Slovaks isn't the Czech.
Ola, you basically admitted you've seen little of Zaborsky outside of what he did in the WJC. With such little exposure to him how can you say he won't even become a good AHLer?

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I think if Hagelin takes the 10 spot we've seriously overrated him.

He's got some good skills, but there are guys on that list that I think are better prospects by a pretty wide margin.

Though I have a feeling Hagelin is going to be our new "HF Boards Only" prospect. His value will be higher here than anywhere else. And a few years from now we'll have people swearing he deserves a look and how stupid the Rangers are for not giving him a chance, etc.

There's always at least one, usually no more than two. It's like the damn Sith.
To be fair - and yes, I'm a fan who goes off what I read (here and elsewhere) and the scant clips I can dig up online - my vote goes almost exclusively on potential and not on how close a prospect is or even "risk-adjusted" potential. I think many others put a much higher priority on making the show vs. what the player might be if he does make the show. In HF parlance, I weight Hagelin's 7.0D over Potter's 6.5C. (Not that I necessarily buy into the exact rating in each case, but it happens to be an apt example for this point.)

So, yes, I chose Hagelin over Potter, because based on what he achieved as a meaningful contributor as a freshman on a Frozen Four Michigan squad, I think his potential could reach as high as a top 6, perhaps even (minute chance) top 3 forward - despite the fact that it still might be only 50/50 that he even makes the NHL at all.

Potter, on the other hand, I think has almost a 90% chance of reaching the big club, but I think his potential tops out at #4 D, so I put him behind Hagelin. Close behind, mind you, but still behind.


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Ola, you basically admitted you've seen little of Zaborsky outside of what he did in the WJC. With such little exposure to him how can you say he won't even become a good AHLer?
He isn't skilled.

You need to watch a player allot before you can say for sure how good he is, but its not that hard to tell how well a player skates or handle the puck -- right? Like you only need to watch a player like Ilya Kovalchuk 3 shifts before you can tell that he is skilled, and you only need to watch a player like Colton Orr 3 shifts before you can tell that he isn't that skilled. That he doesn't skate that well and the he doesn't handle the puck that well.

If I would compare Zabrosky with a NHLer it would be Jonathan Cheechoo. Zabrosky is a goal scorer, he positions himself really well and he got a good shot. He defenitly got the right attitude.

But he isn't a good skater, he is pretty choppy; he doesn't handle the puck all that well, he doesn't challenge D's 1 on 1 et c. (For a future NHL player).

But that doesn't gaurantee a thing, because I would have said the same things about Marc Savard for example; he isn't all that skilled either... For him its all instincts. And his instincts have always shown in the stat sheet. Zabrosky's have not.

I am very positive when it comes to prospects, and don't mind hyping someone. There is often always a chance. But my bet is that Zabrosky was little seen by everyone on the in scence when he was drafted. Scouts had mostly seen him play against other Slovaks and only in a few int tournaments. Its extremely hard to "cross scout" hockeyplayers. Like to comapre a kid who you have seen in Slovak, where he has played against Slovak juniors, to a kid in the CHL playing against canadian juniors.

I don't mind a draft pick like Zabrosky, its a gamble, but there is a possibility since there is a possibility that he is better then what it seems like so to speak.

But IMO its clear that Zabrosky and Skokan wasn't diamonds in the rough.

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To be fair - and yes, I'm a fan who goes off what I read (here and elsewhere) and the scant clips I can dig up online - my vote goes almost exclusively on potential and not on how close a prospect is or even "risk-adjusted" potential. I think many others put a much higher priority on making the show vs. what the player might be if he does make the show. In HF parlance, I weight Hagelin's 7.0D over Potter's 6.5C. (Not that I necessarily buy into the exact rating in each case, but it happens to be an apt example for this point.)

So, yes, I chose Hagelin over Potter, because based on what he achieved as a meaningful contributor as a freshman on a Frozen Four Michigan squad, I think his potential could reach as high as a top 6, perhaps even (minute chance) top 3 forward - despite the fact that it still might be only 50/50 that he even makes the NHL at all.

Potter, on the other hand, I think has almost a 90% chance of reaching the big club, but I think his potential tops out at #4 D, so I put him behind Hagelin. Close behind, mind you, but still behind.
yeah you're pronouncing exactly my thoughts

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Hillier. Add Baranka.

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Add Dupont, he is at least better than the last 2-3 guys on this list.

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Dupont will be next vote as well. To me there is a significat drop to guys like Hagelin and Potter.

I'm still not a huge Potter fan. He's pretty vanilla.

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