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06-30-2008, 06:00 PM
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I think O'Byrne is not overrated, he got a couple of upsides. OB is tallest guy on the crew, he's big, and he can put some nice hip hits along the board. He skates realy well, he turns and skates backward in a fluid fashion and he's quick to change direction. Plus he got a realy good one timer, but he needs to put everything together, he lacks experience, but i realy see him on the point as a regular during next season, he just need to get more responsible and get more NHL knowledge.

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06-30-2008, 06:01 PM
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On the one hand bag a few points and his potential will be clearer.

We should purse our lips together and say yes he's got potential.

If his talent isn't in the pocket book him for a trip to the minors.

Um. All contrived wallet references aside...I consider Apostrophe and Grabbo the most underrated and Gorgeous, Lapierre and Chips the most overrated.

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06-30-2008, 07:00 PM
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Overrated, underrated - it's hard to know what these terms mean sometimes.

I think he's overrated to the extent that he's seen as a lock this year to play big minutes. I'm hoping for a good season, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he spent some games in the pressbox or even Hamilton if he's still eligible.

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06-30-2008, 07:05 PM
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I don't know how to answer this because I don't know what's expected of him. Another Komisarek? I don't think so? A big, solid defender who can skate? Maybe.

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06-30-2008, 07:23 PM
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every single hab is overrated around here, everyone sees prospects as ready for the nhl and the guys in the show are a step away from being great. it's the same in every forum, just blind hope

but damn i do like the habs chances

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06-30-2008, 07:28 PM
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06-30-2008, 09:27 PM
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I think that O'Byrne is our only prospect ranked A (7.0) by Hockeysfuture which means that he has 99.9 % of achieving his potential as a 3rd/4th defensemen. Of course it's only a ranking and doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things but i'm just saying i thought that it was somewhat interesting.
Good observation.

I'm surprised at the comments about OB not hitting, once he got his NHL legs a bit, he became a ruthless hitter.

Also surprised no one posted OB's numbers.

This kid's a rock solid prospect as a solid 2nd line pairing on a strong team after about a bit more NHL seasoning, maybe another season and a half, kind alike Komi.

More upside then Bou or Gorges, for sure.

In his first third of an NHL season...
  • Longest + streak by a Habs D this season
  • Over 25 hits in the last 6 games of the season
  • Fourth best hit average on the team, after taking a while to get into gear...


ROCK SOLID.

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O'Byrne by numbers

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May 28, 2008, 2:00 PM EDT

A prime example of a player who was carefully groomed through the Habs’ system, Ryan O’Byrne turned some heads in his NHL debut in 2007-08. Here’s a look back at the season that was for the king-sized defenseman.

2-Assists scooped up by O’Byrne in his first NHL game, a 4-2 win over the Bruins at the TD Banknorth Garden in Boston on Dec. 6.

18-Consecutive games played by O’Byrne in which he posted an even or positive plus-minus rating, marking the longest such streak by a Habs player in 2007-08.

5-Minimum number of hits thrown by the Canadiens rookie in five of the final six games of the regular season while Mike Komisarek was sidelined due to injury.

1.97-Average hits per game delivered by O’Byrne, the fourth-highest average on the team.

16-Games missed by O’Byrne due to a thumb injury suffered during a fight against Tanner Glass of the Panthers on Dec. 28 in Florida.

1-Invitations to the 2008 AHL All-Star Game received by O’Byrne, who was not able to attend the game on Jan. 28 in Binghamton because he was still with the Canadiens after being called up on Dec. 6.

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06-30-2008, 09:30 PM
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LOL he is over-rated by some and under-rated by others.

So far i consider him to be a good 5-6 guy. He may develop. He can hit but needs to get tougher. I saw him obliterate a guy playing for the Dogs in the Cup. The forward kind of disappeared below the boards. Have not seen that kind of hitting in the bigs yet.

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06-30-2008, 09:31 PM
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Most fans, perhaps including myself, lack the tools for judging whether a player is overrated.

I'll stick my neck out and say the coach is overrated, as I've maintained since last season. He still hasn't done anything positive that any good NHL coach wouldn't be able to do and he's screwed up big time on occasion.

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06-30-2008, 09:53 PM
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Some stuff I posted in the Streit thread, relates to OB

Pair EV
Time GF
(EV+SH) GA
(EV+PP) +/- +/- per
60 min
EV
79 Markov 3 O'Byrne
33:26 3 1 +2 +3.6
44 Hamrlik 51 Bouillon
102:46 9 4 +5 +2.9
79 Markov 51 Bouillon
33:37 2 1 +1 +1.8
44 Hamrlik 3 O'Byrne
277:27 13 7 +6 +1.3
51 Bouillon 3 O'Byrne
65:56 2 1 +1 +0.9
44 Hamrlik 8 Komisarek
192:06 9 7 +2 +0.6
51 Bouillon 26 Gorges
509:27 21 18 +3 +0.4
79 Markov 8 Komisarek
971:19 44 39 +5 +0.3
44 Hamrlik 71 Brisebois
417:10 12 11 +1 +0.1
44 Hamrlik 26 Gorges
121:22 3 3 E E
51 Bouillon 8 Komisarek
114:42 4 4 E E
26 Gorges 32 Streit
50:23 0 0 E E
51 Bouillon 71 Brisebois
46:39 2 2 E E
51 Bouillon 32 Streit
194:51 4 6 -2 -0.5
79 Markov 26 Gorges
147:49 5 8 -3 -1.1
26 Gorges 71 Brisebois
41:39 0 1 -1 -1.3
44 Hamrlik 32 Streit
249:23 12 19 -7 -1.6
79 Markov 32 Streit
92:34 8 11 -3 -1.8
79 Markov 71 Brisebois
69:42 1 4 -3 -2.5
Others 114:07 12 4 +8 E
Totals 3846:25 166 151 +15 +0.2

With this being said, at a decent value, I still love him as a 3rd or 4th line forward and PP specialist and good teammate and "very occasionally" as a fill in on D in case of numerous injuries...


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By the way, statistically, as can be seen,

Hamrlik and OByrne were extremely effective together, even more so then Markov and Komi, (not factoring strength of opposition which was stronger on Markov's side.)

Good note to consider for those reading the OB thread...

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06-30-2008, 09:56 PM
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A bit overrated but still a goo young player. I can't believe still continue to compare O'Byrne to Komisarek ! Komisarek is MILES ahead

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06-30-2008, 10:13 PM
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Most fans, perhaps including myself, lack the tools for judging whether a player is overrated.

I'll stick my neck out and say the coach is overrated, as I've maintained since last season. He still hasn't done anything positive that any good NHL coach wouldn't be able to do and he's screwed up big time on occasion.
Amazing: on the eve of July 1st, in a thread about whether O'Byrne is overrated, you find a somewhat topical way to needle Carbonneau. I'm impressed by your dedication towards maintaining your grudge against him. Smaller minds would by now have moved on to other things.

Your resentment is almost Nietzchean in its discursive vigour -- how I miss it when you used to call him Napoleon! The barbarian English tongue is inadequate in times like these: as the French from France would say, "Zat Diogenes detests ze Carbonneau."

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He won't be better than a bottom pairing defenseman IMO.

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LOL he is over-rated by some and under-rated by others.

So far i consider him to be a good 5-6 guy. He may develop. He can hit but needs to get tougher. I saw him obliterate a guy playing for the Dogs in the Cup. The forward kind of disappeared below the boards. Have not seen that kind of hitting in the bigs yet.
If you compare his first NHL games with Komisarke's he's in real good shape.

He's already a decent 5-6th D and has a lot of potential. I dont know how anyone who watched him play when he had that long streak of games could say he wont easily be a top4 D.


And you havent seen him hit in the bigs? I did...



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06-30-2008, 10:29 PM
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Most fans, perhaps including myself, lack the tools for judging whether a player is overrated.

I'll stick my neck out and say the coach is overrated, as I've maintained since last season. He still hasn't done anything positive that any good NHL coach wouldn't be able to do and he's screwed up big time on occasion.

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06-30-2008, 10:47 PM
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A bit overrated but still a goo young player. I can't believe still continue to compare O'Byrne to Komisarek ! Komisarek is MILES ahead
if you compare him to Mike Komisarek 2 years ago O'byrne is actually ahead of Komo

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if you compare him to Mike Komisarek 2 years ago O'byrne is actually ahead of Komo

Gosh are we talking about Ryan O'Byrne ? Come on...

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And you havent seen him hit in the bigs? I did...


I did not say that. What I said was I have not seen him hit a guy the same way I saw him hit in the calder Cup playoffs. It was a really huge hit. Better than your example. So far I have not seen him duplicate THAT kind of hit.

It was like "now you see the forward, now you don't". Splat hip check into the boards

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Gosh are we talking about Ryan O'Byrne ? Come on...
You dont remember how tough it was for Komisarek in his first couple of seasons do you?

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You dont remember how tough it was for Komisarek in his first couple of seasons do you?
Komisarek made the team part time at 20 years old and played 21 games in the NHL, 12 less than O'byrne this year and he's 23. Not to mention, Komi didn't exactly come when we had a strong team, not to take anything away from O'byrne but having a strong team that can control the play and possibly having what was claimed to be one of the best passing teams in the league, I think O'byrne started in a different setting, if it helps him in the long run, even better.

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I dont think we overrate him (not that much anyway)
Lots of people pretty much see him as a 4th D, he is not there yet but I think that s what he ll be.
And I believe he does look better than Komi in his first starts, more mobile, as physical, but less guts than komi tho.Komi had the chance to develop so well because of Markov, we all know that, Every one was impressed by Komi at the time because he was pretty much the only hard hitting and physically imposing D we had at the time.

I think Ryan just needs time, confidence, and a good partner. A guys like BGL would probably help a lot for his confidence too....As someone in another thread said, he s still in that shy "make-no-mistake" mode.

Ps, you re right tho LL, Obyrne is in different conditions.

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07-01-2008, 12:21 AM
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Komisarek made the team part time at 20 years old and played 21 games in the NHL, 12 less than O'byrne this year and he's 23. Not to mention, Komi didn't exactly come when we had a strong team, not to take anything away from O'byrne but having a strong team that can control the play and possibly having what was claimed to be one of the best passing teams in the league, I think O'byrne started in a different setting, if it helps him in the long run, even better.
Plus, he had at least 2 spots opened for him and never been able to stick to it. He's young, he's got great potentiel but yes i think we overrated him a bit too much sometimes.

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Plus, he had at least 2 spots opened for him and never been able to stick to it. He's young, he's got great potentiel but yes i think we overrated him a bit too much sometimes.
People see him becoming a big hard hitting 4th D. People who say that's overrating are guilty of just the opposite.

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Aren't the majority of our prospects overrated by people here?

On O'Byrne I think he has #4 capability, but he won't develop as quickly as Komisarek.
Yes. But only in the sense that everyone who plays for the Habs is kind of overrated on here. I don't think any one thinks he's that good. He's an all right prospect. Nothing special, and has little to no trade value. Komi was miles ahead at his age although he'd been in the NHL for longer so that might have an effect on it.

I might be wrong. I hope I am.

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Komisarek was supposedly over rated at one time too i remember some trying to say .


Let Obyrne come into his own as we did with Komo .

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