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07-01-2008, 05:12 PM
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I'm shocked St. Louis matched so quickly. What a classy move after someone tried to poach your player.

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^^^ LOL pretty much everybody knew it was going to be matched bud. Even Gillis had to have known, which makes this move even more confusing.

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So iheartnonis, who is the next RFA they'll go after?

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^^^ LOL pretty much everybody knew it was going to be matched bud. Even Gillis had to have known, which makes this move even more confusing.
Exactly, which makes the move so confusing. I do agree that it was a good move to target a budding power-forward lite, but if Gillis really wanted Backes, wouldn't he have gone and pushed it to 2.6?

This day has been bad. Now our reputation as an organization is tarnished, now oft compared to the Oilers.

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07-01-2008, 05:37 PM
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Exactly, which makes the move so confusing. I do agree that it was a good move to target a budding power-forward lite, but if Gillis really wanted Backes, wouldn't he have gone and pushed it to 2.6?

This day has been bad. Now our reputation as an organization is tarnished, now oft compared to the Oilers.
This is actually not as bad as the Oilers offersheet to Vanek or Penner. Those were total overpayments, this is more reasonable.

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07-01-2008, 05:40 PM
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This is actually not as bad as the Oilers offersheet to Vanek or Penner. Those were total overpayments, this is more reasonable.
Don't you think it should take an overpayment to sign an RFA? It just seems like a gag offer sheet, something to let the Canucks fanbase know that they are trying.

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This is actually not as bad as the Oilers offersheet to Vanek or Penner. Those were total overpayments, this is more reasonable.
If you're going to make an offer sheet you want it so the other team can't/won't match it. This was so reasonable it was a no-brainer it would be matched. What was the point? To piss GM's off? Or is Gillis desperate?

I dunno, if you were looking for a guy that can play the RW and get about 20 goals while playing a physical game, why not try for Tucker, instead of making an offer to an RFA that was going to be matched? Maybe Gillis did try for Tucker, I dunno...this whole thing just has me baffled. Am I missing something?

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This is actually not as bad as the Oilers offersheet to Vanek or Penner. Those were total overpayments, this is more reasonable.
Isn't that the point? If you don't overpay then well.....why make the offersheet? It just gets matched and you have nothing but a pissed off GM.

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Don't you think it should take an overpayment to sign an RFA? It just seems like a gag offer sheet, something to let the Canucks fanbase know that they are trying.
True. That's why this is somewhat of an odd signing since everyone knew Blues would match. It seems that they're planning on targeting someone else, either another Blues player or someone whom the Blues are also after. I'm glad that they didn't resort to an overpayment though.

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Isn't that the point? If you don't overpay then well.....why make the offersheet? It just gets matched and you have nothing but a pissed off GM.
Totally agree. This was a complete waste of time.

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There was a small chance that St Louis wouldn't match - that was probably good enough for Gillis.

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There was a small chance that St Louis wouldn't match - that was probably good enough for Gillis.
And handicap us for 7 days? That chance was not big enough. I think that St. Louis isn't going to match until the seven days are up. It's just that they stated that they will match.

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Is it true that you only have 2 RFA offers a season as well?

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So iheartnonis, who is the next RFA they'll go after?
I'd be surprised if they went after anyone else, but Shaone Morrisonn (washington) would be worth considering @$2.5mm per.......assuming Gillis wants to continue on down this road.

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Is it true that you only have 2 RFA offers a season as well?
I don't know where that came from, I've never heard of it. You have to have your draft picks available to make an offer, and that's the limiting factor.

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And handicap us for 7 days? That chance was not big enough. I think that St. Louis isn't going to match until the seven days are up. It's just that they stated that they will match.
How does it handicap the canucks? They can still give a 1st+3rd RFA offer if they like.

They can still make nearly $17+ mil in UFA offers and be under the cap...without even touching the 10% allowance.

It was a simple move that could have paid of. A team with tight budget targetted and if Strickland is correct a team that will end up having to move salary to keep its budget.

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07-01-2008, 06:29 PM
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There was a small chance that St Louis wouldn't match - that was probably good enough for Gillis.
There was either a miscalculation or bad intel (Mellanby). Why send out offer sheets that are going to be matched a couple hours later. That shows how much of a no brainer this one was. If it's just throwing enough sh** on the wall in the hopes something sticks, that seems like a pretty half-assed approach.

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There was a small chance that St Louis wouldn't match - that was probably good enough for Gillis.
Exactly.

Even if it's only a 1% chance of working, what's the harm?

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Exactly.

Even if it's only a 1% chance of working, what's the harm?
Even Strickland speculated that a trade would have to be made to keep themselves within ownership's mandated budget. It was a smart, if conservative offer.

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Exactly.

Even if it's only a 1% chance of working, what's the harm?
As Gord Miller mentioned, our 2nd round pick would be tied up for 7 days so we wouldnt be able to make another RFA offer sheet that involves our 2 until a decision is made.

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Exactly.

Even if it's only a 1% chance of working, what's the harm?
Rapport, respect etc. I think they far outweigh such terrible odds, especially when you are a rookie GM who also just happens to be an ex-agent.

Focus on moves that may bring results.

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Exactly, which makes the move so confusing. I do agree that it was a good move to target a budding power-forward lite, but if Gillis really wanted Backes, wouldn't he have gone and pushed it to 2.6?

This day has been bad. Now our reputation as an organization is tarnished, now oft compared to the Oilers.
at our reputation as an organization being "tarnished". Why are people such drama queens when it comes to offer sheets?

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In a way, Gillis' attempt at getting Backes is a commentary on our scouting/drafting.

Backes was selected 62nd in the 2003 draft by St Louis. The Canucks had the number 60 spot, and used it to select Marc-Andre Bernier. So, they got a guy they want to keep, we got a career ECHLer.

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What a complete waste of time. Not only that, we've alienated St. Louis in future trades/transactions. And we've had some great trades with them in the past.

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