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07-02-2008, 01:13 PM
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Canucks Sign Baumgartner

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?page=Play...0&service=page

He's listed as a Canuck on his NHL.com page, which is often reliable for signings. Remember, that's how we found out about Brad Isbister last season. I like this deal, because it fills part of the depth defenceman hole left by Luc Bourdon (RIP).


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Depends on how much we paid, but initial reaction to this is good. Gillis is doing a great job filling in the smaller holes... let's see Sundin sign now. Make it happen Gillis, just make it happen!

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as long as its for no more than a mil, I'm good w it
he shoots right, after all

and according to this site, he's grown significantly
6'2", 205lbs??

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good Signing, probably means he'll come in and play soon. Bieksa is all but gone most likely. Nolan had a great season with the Canucks back when.

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good Signing, probably means he'll come in and play soon. Bieksa is all but gone most likely. Nolan had a great season with the Canucks back when.
I wouldn't think this is anything more than a Miller (or Bourdon) replacement...
need more D for Bieksa to go...

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good Signing, probably means he'll come in and play soon. Bieksa is all but gone most likely. Nolan had a great season with the Canucks back when.
How does this signing lead you to believe that? Baumgartner is a move for depth.

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Bieksa was rumored to be traded before the draft and we already have defense and now he brings in Baumgartner a person who has NHL experience and played well when he was with the Canucks..

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This is so underwhelming.

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Depends on how much we paid, but initial reaction to this is good. Gillis is doing a great job filling in the smaller holes... let's see Sundin sign now. Make it happen Gillis, just make it happen!
I don't see his moves as great at all right now.

basically he's filling the holes with question marks that may or may not work out... no different than what Nonis had been doing... he brought in Sanford, Isbister, Chouinard, Santala, Cowan, Weaver, Ritchie, Green, etc... to plug into depth roles ... most of those guys didn't work out, but how is bringing back the same goalie (Sanford), a waiver pickup (Wellwood), a 4th line center (Johnson) and a 7th dman (Baumer), really any different??

time will tell if these guys work out better, but from what I can see, it's the same bargain bin that Gillis is shopping in, that Nonis did... let's just hope that the pieces he's picking up from that same bin end up working out better, but at this point there's nothing to suggest that they will work out any better than the pieces that Nonis brought in - and was criticized for.

not that I'm criticizing him for his moves yet... too early to tell... I just don't see a whole lot being different with the pluggers Gillis has gotten for the depth roles, than what Nonis had gotten in the past.

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Bieksa was rumored to be traded before the draft and we already have defense and now he brings in Baumgartner a person who has NHL experience and played well when he was with the Canucks..
Baumer is not going to replace Bieksa in any way... you're taking about moving out a 20-23 min/night dman, that is among the top 3 on your team in icetime, for a guy who was waived 3 times last season alone!! Baumer is a replacement for Weaver, not for Bieksa!

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If it's a 1-way contract, it's horrible.

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not that I'm criticizing him for his moves yet... too early to tell... I just don't see a whole lot being different with the pluggers Gillis has gotten for the depth roles, than what Nonis had gotten in the past.
Personally, I think Wellwood/Johnson/Hordichuk represents a massive upgrade over the kinds of pluggers Nonis brought in. Each of those guys bring something the Canucks lack...each of those players is a legitimate NHLer...we're not giving 1-way contracts to 13th/14th forwards like Ritchie or Isbister.

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Is Baumgartner the first player to get a third stint with the Canucks now? Or has there been another?

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if Bieksa goes we will still have Edler, Mitchell, Ohlund,Krajeck, Salo.

Maybe give Ellington a short shot at joining the Canucks this year. If not sign Mike Weaver or Aaron Miller again because both did decent last year.

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the real question is: Why were you looking at Baumgartner's NHL.com page?

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Is this an accidental artifact of Baumgartner getting loaned out to the Moose for the playoffs last year?

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the real question is: Why were you looking at Baumgartner's NHL.com page?
Ooh, busted!

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not that I'm criticizing him for his moves yet... too early to tell... I just don't see a whole lot being different with the pluggers Gillis has gotten for the depth roles, than what Nonis had gotten in the past.
Big difference with these guys IMO. Ryan Johnson is a guy who seems to relish his bottom six role and is pretty darn good at it. Hordichuk relishes his role as well.

Now Cowan certainly played hard in his role but quite frankly he simply wasn't good at it. The likes of Ritchie and Isbister I don't think even fit the mold you'd want for the role they were trying to play. they aren't penalty killers. They aren't terrificly good in that bottom 6, fore checking gritty role.

While the signings are certainly underwhelming I think they were astute signings.

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the real question is: Why were you looking at Baumgartner's NHL.com page?
zah zing . . .

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the real question is: Why were you looking at Baumgartner's NHL.com page?






Good find (I think)

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two way deal according to TSN

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2422...=headlines_nhl

1 year term

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This is a great signing. Baumer adds depth to the right side. I think a big problem is that when we had injuries to our D, there was no one to play on the powerplay and Baumgartner would be better than a guy like Ritchie on the point.
Worst case scenario, he spends most of the year with the Moose and adds a much needed veteran blueline presence over there.

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the real question is: Why were you looking at Baumgartner's NHL.com page?
I wasn't, I pulled the info off CDC.

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I like all these signings!

As for the 4th line, I think the NHL is where the NFL was 10 years ago - figuring out that under the cap you identify the real valuable players, tie them up long term, and play them alot. Then you surrond them with cheap specialists on short terms. In hockey terms that means your 4th line is a legit fighter, a defensive specialist and maybe a pp player or youngster making the leap. (place for Wellwood to hide 5 on 5, or Hansen/Grabner to see NHL mins.)

So 4th line let's see....

Hordichuck wants to fight and stir the pot! (check)

Johnson: shot blocker, face-off specialist, and pk maniac. (check)

Left side: Grabner/Hansen or Brown (check)

Back that up with the energetic but oft injured Rypien and we're pretty well set in the bottom 6. (assuming of course that the 3rd is Burr, Kelser and Pettinger)

As for the Baumgartner signing, He played a full season (durable) and made the power play work three seasons ago when Jovo missed 35 games and was the top point getter on the D that season - he showed the same in Manitoba this Spring. He never was especially fast, but he's quick enough, makes a good first pass, has an accuarte shot, doesn't panic and is a nice passer for Salo or Bieksa. On the down side he's smallish, not especially vicious and as I said before not fast. For the price, a good depth signing. Too bad he's not going to continue mentoring Bourdon as it was reported that they were a very good looking pairing in Manitoba however briefly.

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I don't think Gillis has to have addressed the top-six gaps in order to categorize his bottom-six and depth signings as bad. I like the moves Gillis has made thus far; Baumgartner is a good experienced AHL and NHL journeyman defensemen. He can play shifts at the NHL level without embarassing himself(most times), and is a damn good AHL player and a leader at that level who can help with some of the young defenders in Winnipeg--Ellington, Rahimi, and so on.

I don't think this move AT ALL prepares us to deal any of our top-six defenders, as Baumer is simply a depth signing; our "Fitzpatrick, Weaver" type guy.

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