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06-04-2004, 10:42 PM
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Nedved and do Majority Fans Want him Back

Just talking to a friend of mine about the Oilers and Petr Nedved. He is a big Rangers fan and knows the type of player Nedved is. He said Nedved was excellent for Edmonton last year but he said that if Edmonton has Nedved for 82 games, then the Oilers will know what Rangers, Penguins and Canucks know about Nedved..............totally inconsistent player and he said the Oilers fans will get frustrated with him............not like a Poti but he will be inconsistent.

I still hope to have him back becuase when the players and coaching staff said that Nedved was instrumental player and a top notch centre, I will take their word.

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I think we saw some of that inconsistent play after he came over. I'm not going to say he's lazy but he showed a willingness to let others engage the opponent in his time in Edmonton.

The two key factors imo are that MacT seemed willing to accept this weakness (which is something of a transformation for our coach) and that Nedved is exactly what the Oilers needed: an offensive player who could score from anywhere.

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I think we saw some of that inconsistent play after he came over. I'm not going to say he's lazy but he showed a willingness to let others engage the opponent in his time in Edmonton.

The two key factors imo are that MacT seemed willing to accept this weakness (which is something of a transformation for our coach) and that Nedved is exactly what the Oilers needed: an offensive player who could score from anywhere.
Agreed - Nedved is probably the best realistic option out there for us. He made a real difference down the stretch and proved that he fits with the team - both are important when the Oilers lay down relatively big dollars. Sign him for 2 years to give Pouliot and Niinimaki more time to develop.

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06-05-2004, 12:59 AM
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that's the thing, there are VERY few guys with his skill that have the work ethic that MacT (and us as Oiler fans) demand. I think for us to take some steps in the right direction we'll have to be accepting of a veteran with a poor habbit until we can get some young kids with lotsa skill and make them work hard into the two-way hardworking AND skilled players EVERY organization covets

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agreed, best option and chance to get a 1st line centre

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He did his job. If he's affordable (Smyth money), I say keep him. PP will improve if nothing else and the team had some confidence with him around, confidence that they could somehow manufacture a "skill" goal every once in a while.

This team is years away from contending, but Nedved would definately help us reach the playoffs in the short term.

I remember him blocking a shot against St.Louis in his first game as an Oiler. He also tossed his body around a couple time in the must win games. He needs a little pressure to be successful. When he was the no.1 center on the Rangers, before Lindros and Holik arrived, he played much better than when he was allowed to hide in the shadows.

He had back to back seasons as the leading scorer two straight hears, after Gretzky retired and before the arrival of Lindros (he was actually 1 point behind Leetch in 2000-2001, but lets not split hairs).

He's an exceptionally talented guy and he's got more grit than the likes of Yashin, for example. I think he stays for between 3.5-4 million for 2-3 years.

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I think we saw some of that inconsistent play after he came over. I'm not going to say he's lazy but he showed a willingness to let others engage the opponent in his time in Edmonton.

The two key factors imo are that MacT seemed willing to accept this weakness (which is something of a transformation for our coach) and that Nedved is exactly what the Oilers needed: an offensive player who could score from anywhere.
Agreed. Big change in attitude towards a player by MacT. Mind you, I don't think MacT has ever had the luxury of a player in the calibre of Nedved where he could afford to give that leeway. Most players under MacT haven't had the type of raw skill we see in Nedved where they could afford to be 'lazy' at times.

Hemsky comes close, but aside from being 'lazy', he just doesn't seem to make smart decisions with the puck at times.

Kudos to MacT also, as he teamed Nedved up with players whom are adept defensively, to offset Nedved's shortcomings in that regard (Dvorak, Torres).

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Nedved would be beneficial for players like Hemsky as a pure skill elite player, can't really throw Smyth in that category of pure skill even though he is an elite player.

Its also good to see the change in MacT as well, he's also another upcoming coach and this could also be a great learning/adapting curve for him too.

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Here's my chief concern about the Nedved situation: most everyone seems to think the team option @$5million is too steep and that Lowe won't pick it up. The preference seems to be for Nedved to sign for ~$3.5 over three or four years. But why would a UFA Nedved sign that kind of deal here? If Damphousse is gone in SJ, why not take his payroll space for the Sharks? Or why not sign in Montreal? Or Toronto? Sure, maybe he likes playing with Dvorak, but how many of you picked your last job because your buddies worked there? If the guy goes UFA, there's no guarantee Edmonton will be anywhere near the top of his list.

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Because - will he be first line center on any of those other teams?? Nope, possibly in Montreal, but there is Koivu and Ribeiro already there - so why would the Habs want him and why would he go right back to the situation of not being the big number one man. He performs the best when he's getting lots of ice time and lots of pressure on him - otherwise he can become complacent. Also - do you honestly think that a guy who didn't even score 50 points or 20 goals last year is gonna have lots of offers out there for the big multiyear deal (4-5 million/year, 2-3 years)? Not a chance in hell I say, no team is going to offer him more then 4ish, and that maybe pushing it, I think the Oilers can match financially, it's just a matter of if Nedveds wife is accepting of him staying, IMO (which could be a problem, but let's not go over that one again).

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Here's my chief concern about the Nedved situation: most everyone seems to think the team option @$5million is too steep and that Lowe won't pick it up. The preference seems to be for Nedved to sign for ~$3.5 over three or four years. But why would a UFA Nedved sign that kind of deal here? If Damphousse is gone in SJ, why not take his payroll space for the Sharks? Or why not sign in Montreal? Or Toronto? Sure, maybe he likes playing with Dvorak, but how many of you picked your last job because your buddies worked there? If the guy goes UFA, there's no guarantee Edmonton will be anywhere near the top of his list.

I think the new NHL world will see an absolute abundance of guys 29-34 who are going to be looking for a spot. It'll be musical chairs and there are no guarantees. I remember when baseball had its big lockout, and it played out horribly for some guys. Just before the strike, Jody Reed was offered a pretty lucrative deal by San Diego. He turned it down, and after the strike he had to go down to Homestead Florida and work for a job, ANY job in the show.When he signed it was for something like $500,000 which is walking around money for baseball players.

This whole CBA thing is going to change the landscape more than at any time since 1980 or so, when the WHA folded into the NHL and they moved the draft ago down from 20 to 18. The results was that MANY established stars ended their careers within a few months of each other. Gordie Howe, Phil Esposito, Jean Ratelle, Gerry Cheevers, Stan Mikita. Those are the ones I remember, and there more.

Five million for Nedved is too much in today's NHL. Signing a 2 yr deal for 7 million right now isn't a bad deal considering future uncertainty.

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Here's my chief concern about the Nedved situation: most everyone seems to think the team option @$5million is too steep and that Lowe won't pick it up. The preference seems to be for Nedved to sign for ~$3.5 over three or four years. But why would a UFA Nedved sign that kind of deal here? If Damphousse is gone in SJ, why not take his payroll space for the Sharks? Or why not sign in Montreal? Or Toronto? Sure, maybe he likes playing with Dvorak, but how many of you picked your last job because your buddies worked there? If the guy goes UFA, there's no guarantee Edmonton will be anywhere near the top of his list.
I agree it's no certainty, but at least he's played here and is more familiar with the situation on this club than any other. What's so great about San Jose? Only money would draw him out of a good situation in Edmonton. I think if the money is right say 3.5-4 million for 2-3 years, other clubs will probably only match it at best and there's a better than 50% chance he'll stay here.

What's with all this "what about his wife" stuff? She's a super-model. It's not like they are stationary people. Unless he's going to play in New York (been there done that), Milan, Paris, or London, or in Czech why would she care so much???

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Very good point H4PM

That just raised my hopes that much more that Petr WILL be back with Edmonton!

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I wonder if his new wife - who is a world class model - will settle for anything but a big media market like New York or Los Angleles. He may not get that many offers but his wife will be a big influence on where he goes.

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I wonder if his new wife - who is a world class model - will settle for anything but a big media market like New York or Los Angleles. He may not get that many offers but his wife will be a big influence on where he goes.
Let's put it this way... she isn't going to get less offers living in Edmonton... they do have things like tanning beds, and she isn't the type of model who gets a call Friday morning to go work Friday afternoon.

Her career won't be affected, so now it's about whether she is willing to do what's best for Petr.

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Here's my chief concern about the Nedved situation: most everyone seems to think the team option @$5million is too steep and that Lowe won't pick it up. The preference seems to be for Nedved to sign for ~$3.5 over three or four years. But why would a UFA Nedved sign that kind of deal here? If Damphousse is gone in SJ, why not take his payroll space for the Sharks? Or why not sign in Montreal? Or Toronto? Sure, maybe he likes playing with Dvorak, but how many of you picked your last job because your buddies worked there? If the guy goes UFA, there's no guarantee Edmonton will be anywhere near the top of his list.
I think very few teams will be willing to offer up that kind of money. Alot of the traditional spending powerhouses are heading into rebuilding, and signing Nedved for a whole load of money would not help them along the way. Also, with SJ, Tampa, and Calgary making the final four, it would seem clear to most teams that spending a ton on free agents isn't the path to success (although money to keep the players you do have might help).Combine that with the fact that most teams are supposedly losing money, and with the uncertainty over the new CBA, and I think you have an environment in which very few teams would be willing to offer a guy like Nedved much money. If he was coming off an 80 point season, maybe, but he's just not a guy who is worth the risk (unless you're the Oilers, who have needed a player like him forever and for whom Nedved has played extremely well).

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Her career won't be affected, so now it's about whether she is willing to do what's best for Petr.
I see from your post that you are not married.

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I see from your post that you are not married.

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I think very few teams will be willing to offer up that kind of money.
But what if you're Colorado, who a) has plenty of money and b) will be without Nikolishin and Forsberg next year? Do you keep Gratton as your #2 guy, or sign Nedved for just more than the Oilers can afford? Nedved would fit in well in Denver. The point is, once the guy is UFA, there is no certainty he would have any inclination to sign with Edmonton.

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I see from your post that you are not married.
lol... actually I am...

But I also don't make $5mil/season and my wife isn't a supermodel, so what do I know?

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