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07-03-2008, 07:20 PM
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WORSE....

Going into the offseason we needed a pp qb and a hard hitting defenseman...The Ragners brought back Rozsvial and signed Redden to a long term contract...neither fills the needs we all saw last season...
I disagree completely. Bruisers are nice, but they don't help the team score goals. Redden fills the need of a puck-moving defenseman on the back end, his first pass out of the zone is one of the best in the league, and he's a solid, two-way defender, and he can run a PP very well, so I'm not sure why you feel no needs were addressed.


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We lose Avery, Straka, Jagr, Mara, Shanny, (although that's a positive) and replace them with Fritsche, Zherdev, Voros, and Rismiller Redden, Kallinin(who will make us pine for Malik/Backman by November) and Naslund....Tell me how that's an upgrade? tell me how this team took a step forward...
It may not be an immediate step forward or upgrade, but it addresses needs for the future.


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tell me who the franchise forward is going to be?
Not all teams have a franchise forward, there's only so many to go around. You tell me, who would that franchise forward be next off-season, even if we did keep Jagr around another year? The change has to be made eventually, why delay the inevitable?

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Tell me how good Gomez is going to look with the top defenseman all over him next season instead of having Jagr get that role? Tell me chemstry isn't going to once again be an issue to start the season?
We'll just have to wait and see.


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Tell me who the spark plug is going to be to get the team going when NOBODY has life?
So Dubinsky, Callahan, Dawes, none of those guys have life?


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I love our prospect pool but who's ready to step up and take a spot next season? korpikoski? maybe...maybe he is...Anisimov? Is he ready? Is he somebody you want to rush to the NHL?



Will Zherdev get 30 goals next season?

Will Naslund take another step backwards?

If the Zherdev of last season shows up but what if the Zherdev of 06-07 shows up?

For all the talk about Avery being a 3rd line player playing out of postin on the 2nd line what do you guys call the potential for Callahan on the 2nd line? Or worse Sather says Shanny might be back...COME ON!! The guy looked like he retired in March 07...What's Shanny going to look like in March 09? But his leadership is just soooooooooooo important but never manifests itself when we really need it (buffalo game 5 OT Pittsburgh Game 5 OT)...ya know leadership the the thing we hear we have sooooooooo much of with Gomez, Drury, Redden, and Naslund...Great can't wait for a team of leaders taking us to the 8th spot...

We have created a hole on the top line that can't be fixed from within....We have less depth on the forward lines...This team took a HUGE step backwards and we are happy? why? I know we have a certain part of our fanbase that love the draft more than the season but a step backwards never leads to good things...

We talk about Jagr being prima-donna for wanting to be the MAN on the team yet give Gomez a pass for essentialy saying the same thing about himself in the post today (yeah but it's ok cause it seems out of character for gomez...sure.)..ya know the guy making $7M a year who looked like a 2nd line player when NOT paired with Jagr at even strength last year...Ya know the guy who gets a free pass for the woes of the power play...That guy.....

We are a borderline playoff team as it stands right now...A team that could either pick 10th in the draft or make the 8th seed.....

Now I'm gonna hear the following response..."But SoS we didn't make it past the 2nd round again!!" My answer to that is the Rangers had the pieces to build on..to make one more run with the chemistry already established the past year.....

Sather should be fired....This team is a mess and I'm not sure why I'm in the minority here...I'll root my heart out (like always) but I have zero expecations next season.....i need to go get a beer and calm down....
This is the nature of the beast. Teams change, it's all one big revolving door, always has been. But at least this team we have a core of players established, starting between the pipes. With Lundqvist in net for the next 6 years and hopefully longer, that gives us one of the best foundations in the league all by itself.

The Rangers' future is bright for the first time in over a decade, so relax, be patient, and enjoy it. This is what most of us have been clamoring for, for years.

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Big dice roll.

Concentrate on developing the yungins

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WORSE....

Going into the offseason we needed a pp qb and a hard hitting defenseman...The Ragners brought back Rozsvial and signed Redden to a long term contract...neither fills the needs we all saw last season...

We lose Avery, Straka, Jagr, Mara, Shanny, (although that's a positive) and replace them with Fritsche, Zherdev, Voros, and Rismiller Redden, Kallinin(who will make us pine for Malik/Backman by November) and Naslund....Tell me how that's an upgrade? tell me how this team took a step forward...tell me who the franchise forward is going to be? Tell me how good Gomez is going to look with the top defenseman all over him next season instead of having Jagr get that role? Tell me chemstry isn't going to once again be an issue to start the season? Tell me who the spark plug is going to be to get the team going when NOBODY has life? I love our prospect pool but who's ready to step up and take a spot next season? korpikoski? maybe...maybe he is...Anisimov? Is he ready? Is he somebody you want to rush to the NHL?



Will Zherdev get 30 goals next season?

Will Naslund take another step backwards?

If the Zherdev of last season shows up but what if the Zherdev of 06-07 shows up?

For all the talk about Avery being a 3rd line player playing out of postin on the 2nd line what do you guys call the potential for Callahan on the 2nd line? Or worse Sather says Shanny might be back...COME ON!! The guy looked like he retired in March 07...What's Shanny going to look like in March 09? But his leadership is just soooooooooooo important but never manifests itself when we really need it (buffalo game 5 OT Pittsburgh Game 5 OT)...ya know leadership the the thing we hear we have sooooooooo much of with Gomez, Drury, Redden, and Naslund...Great can't wait for a team of leaders taking us to the 8th spot...

We have created a hole on the top line that can't be fixed from within....We have less depth on the forward lines...This team took a HUGE step backwards and we are happy? why? I know we have a certain part of our fanbase that love the draft more than the season but a step backwards never leads to good things...

We talk about Jagr being prima-donna for wanting to be the MAN on the team yet give Gomez a pass for essentialy saying the same thing about himself in the post today (yeah but it's ok cause it seems out of character for gomez...sure.)..ya know the guy making $7M a year who looked like a 2nd line player when NOT paired with Jagr at even strength last year...Ya know the guy who gets a free pass for the woes of the power play...That guy.....

We are a borderline playoff team as it stands right now...A team that could either pick 10th in the draft or make the 8th seed.....

Now I'm gonna hear the following response..."But SoS we didn't make it past the 2nd round again!!" My answer to that is the Rangers had the pieces to build on..to make one more run with the chemistry already established the past year.....

Sather should be fired....This team is a mess and I'm not sure why I'm in the minority here...I'll root my heart out (like always) but I have zero expecations next season.....i need to go get a beer and calm down....
I could not disagree with more. This is not just about this year; this is the next major step towards the construction of this team the way Ranger management envisioned when they finally broke everything down in 2004, and started a major rebuild on the fast track. First off, this whole process is not just about Sather; it comes with input from Schoenfeld, Renney (the two most important architects) and Clark and his scouting staff, Graves and right down to Gernander. Slowly, the rangers are adding player that fit what Renney is trying to do on this ice. Through the draft, the Rangers first went after safe bets, with character - the Callahans, Dubinskys, Korpikoskis - hard worker who give a full night's effort. They then attacked the defense - Staal, Sauer and Sanguinetti. Now you've got a solid base of prospects, so you add more risk/reward types - Anisimov, then Cherepanov and this year Grachev and Del Zotto. The farm is solid. All along, you've got the continuous influx of young talent, the young talent that had the mental toughness to make to NY. The truth is, the 2005-6 was not supposed to make the playoffs, and was in fact the least talented team Ranger fans have seen on the ice in a long time. They were prepared to go to war with Kevin Weekes as the starting goalie...enough said. But, they made a calculated guess that surrounding the holdover, moody former superstar, that they could not get rid of at the prior trading deadline might play better if they placating him and made him more comfortable. And, surprise of all surprises, they were actually successful And, in the process they and the fans wanted more. So, they tried to gear things to go deeper into the playoffs, and they eventually did. But, watching that team, they realized they needed players to get them from that playoff team to the future they envisioned. So they sign sign Gomez and Drury. And, infuse more of the player they expect to be a big part of the future. But, as they watched their fading stars...Jagr, Shanny and Straka, all show serious serious declines in their respective games, they realized that a break had to be made. I would have loved to have Jagr back. but, the truth is , even he admitted he had to pace himself last year. He's now a year older, after another grueling playoff...why should we expect him to not have to pace himself even more this year. And, that's someone you want to build upon for the upcoming season? I've said this elsewhere, but, Jagr built the bridge to carry us out of the dark years prior to the lockout. But, in truth, I don't think he was ever meant to be a part of the roster that Ranger brass envisioned they were building after the trade deadline of 2004.

As for the acquisitions themselves -

1) There is not a player on free agent market that fit the Rangers actual needs more than Redden. Redden at his best, is a top pairing D-man, and, even moreso as he mentors the development of his partner Marc Staal. Redden is the prototype D-man that Redden sees when he constructs his system - (cue the Sens trolls). Frankly, the contract is $9 million too much, and 1 year too long for my liking, but, thank Chicago for overpaying Brian Campbell. I know the criticism that come with Redden. All I know is, his presence makes Rozsival a better D-man, now that Rozsival doesn't have to be a 31 D-man.

2) Zherdev/Fritsche - this is type of deal I've envisioned the Rangers making when they actually properly built the farm system - a quality prospect is developed, and traded for a need, when that player gets passed on the depth chart. Fritsche is the hidden gem in that deal

3) Naslund/Kalinin - I'm not overjoyed by the Naslund signing; however, he's got a much better contract, and provides a bridge until Cherepanov is ready. We also no longer have to run a PP through him, and, should no longer have player passing up scoring opportunities because he's on the ice. He also wants to play here. as for Kalinin, he becomes the replacement for Tyutin, and allows the Rangers to move Girardi back to the 3rd line D pairing where he belongs...you have a more talented and deeper defense.

I like where this franchise stands right now. it's still a playoff team, and it's younger players are starting to become a big part of its identity. I'm not sure what more Ranger fans can ask.

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07-03-2008, 07:30 PM
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Better. The jagr era was probably over this season or next in my mind anyway. Chemisty is a funny thing. We all complained about the lack of chemistry last year due to adding gomez and drury. however, look at the overhall philly did to their roster last off season. They didnt miss a beat with chemisty.
Can the rangers start this season off like slugs? Sure. Can the rangers start off this season like gang-bangers? Sure.Comes down to the players and what they feel like doing to be honest. Coaches and staff can only do so much. If players of Nasland/gomez/zherdev quality play their hardest there isnt many lines that match up with the creativity they will have.

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SOS, what would you have done to make this team better? I'm really curious.
I don't know how to answer this question without being all over the place but I'll try!


To me it goes back to last off-season when they didn't sign Avery to a 2 or 3 year contract before arbitration. They could've had him for $3.0M a year and they blew it then....

I would NOT have resigned Shanny...I would've put that money towards signing Lundqvist long term last summer. It would've made the cap hit start last season but chances are you would've been able to sign him for less money.

I would've addressed the Jagr situation as soon as it became a reality that he wasn't hitting his bonus. The Rangers should've talked to Jagr throughout the offseason..

If they didn't want Jagr back your telling me Markus Naslund is the backup plan? I just don't see it...If Jagr was plan B or plan C the Rangers didn't have to make it so obvious...They screwed themselves..

On Tuesday when Rolston signed with the Devils instead of the Rangers it really hit me.... that all things being equal a good free agent isn't going to sign with the us because what kind of team are they signing with?? Going into Free Agency having FOUR top 6 forwards unsigned is stupid...it makes no sense.....it gives you know leverage..it's the reason you get Naslund for two years over Hossa... (who was probably the target although I don't agree with it)

I would've signed either Redden or Rozsival...Not both...BTW how motivated is Rozisval going to be signed to a $5M contract without Jagr? I love Rozsivals game but it's legit question.....

I don't think Sather had a plan, I think he guessed wrong on a lot of important choices in the past year....

I hope I'm wrong and I probably am wrong...I'm the guy behind the keyboard Sather/Clarke/Renney they are the ones paid to do this I just don't have to agree with it..I think this team took two steps backwards....

Eitherway I'll be rooting for them to win it will just be a much different team to root for...

I have a question for everybody...

Is this team rebuilding or are they trying to make the playoffs with THIS roster?

You can't do both...(As EVERY GM has tried and failed at here.)

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if i were Jagr, i'd say for $1m.. we all know he doesn't need the cashish..

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Also. Nasland is NOT a replacement for jagr. Not many players can replace a future hall of famer. Lets stop thinking about it with that perspective because that is simply not the case. Signing nasland for a relatively low risk 2 year contract adds depth, leadership, and scoring. Its that simple

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I think we are more balanced and subsequently better on paper.

But it's all going to come down to chemistry and the youth emerging.

If Zherdev and Naslund can click with Gomez, we've got a very good first line.

If Prucha can bounce back and mesh with Dawes and Drury, I think we've got a second line.

I think we've got some options on the third and fourth lines as well.

Defensivly, I like what we have in Redden, Staal, Girardi, Rozy and Kalinen.

Obviously there are still holes. We still lack a banger who can score and I'm not sure if we have quite the right mix on defense, but I do believe we're better than we were a few days ago.

Things aren't a slam dunk, guranteed approach to winning, but I do think we've made some good moves. We still have some issues, but I do believe we've also got some options as well.

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I think we all need to understand that losing the core from last year, is actually not a bad thing. Jagr, while we love him for bringing our franchise back to respectability, had a very very off year, and let's face it, he didn't mesh well with either Gomez or Drury. And say what you want, but those two are here for a long time, so it's important to work around them.

Shanny and Straka, I love you, but you guys were ineffective. Avery, I'll miss the **** out of you.

But going back to an earlier post, when we got Avery, NO ONE, NO ONE, thought he was going to be what he was. If any one of you back then thought he was going to be the spark that brought us deep into the playoffs then you're ****ing Nastradamous.

Aaron Voros is very similar to Avery, he can score, he can pass, he can fight, and he can hit. He doesn't have Avery's pedigree, but when Avery came to our team, he was a guy who we all thought was a fourth line agitator. Let's see what the guy's got before we dismiss him.

Look, Zherdev, Naslund, Redden...maybe overpaid, but definitely exciting. You can say the team might have chemistry issues, but you can't say that this isn't a good move team wise. We got rid of an aging core, and replaced it with younger guys, shorter contracts and more openings for Hartford players.

We still have the same tools we had last year, I'm excited to see Staal with Redden, and I think Redden could teach Staal a whole lot about being offensive from the blue line.

And you know what? Naslund isn't a joke either, while Jagr is unreal, Naslund didn't have a shabby career either, so while I think he can still put up good numbers, whose to say the guy doesn't teach our younglings some lessons?

It's obviously too early to tell, but let's not be so pessimistic here.

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If they didn't want Jagr back your telling me Markus Naslund is the backup plan? I just don't see it...If Jagr was plan B or plan C the Rangers didn't have to make it so obvious...They screwed themselves..
It's not a coincidence that everyone who seems to be against this are the same people that don't understand what's going on.

This idea that Naslund is somehow the "replacement" for Jagr is ridiculous. They're not replacing Jagr with one player. It's a change in philosophy. There's not going to be one guy who filled the role Jagr filled, because that role has been eliminated. It's more of a team now, not just one guy that they're going to build around.

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I think Save by Richter and Mixtures have it right, I don't think Naslund is the "replacement" for Jagr.

I think it's just a different overall approach that is looking for more balance. I don't know if it will work, but time will tell.

It's obvious that the guys the Rangers lost were guys who they didn't have as part of this plan. Whether that works out in the end or not, I think Avery's days as a Ranger were about over for this team no matter what. Especially when you start talking about $4 million a year and a four year contract with a no-trade agreement. I think Avery knew it and I think the Rangers knew it. You can't drop a ball that nobody throws to you.

As for Jagr, I think it was pretty obvious that right, wrong or indifferent this team belongs to Drury and Gomez now. When you start talking about $6 or $7 million, plus a multi-year contract, plus a comment about wanting to be the highest paid and be the man, it's just not going to work.

If Jagr isn't on board with what they want to do, it's hard to bring him back, let alone at a huge multi-year salary.

So the Rangers shed what would've been about $11-million in salary, plus other salaries and they got a bit more depth. It's just a different type of building plan. What I do like is that they actually have some flexibility for moves moving forward and have some options to put together.

It has it's risks, but I don't think it's significantly more of a risk than going forward with Avery and Jagr while lacking depth and/or the ability to make future moves.

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It's not a coincidence that everyone who seems to be against this are the same people that don't understand what's going on.

This idea that Naslund is somehow the "replacement" for Jagr is ridiculous. They're not replacing Jagr with one player. It's a change in philosophy. There's not going to be one guy who filled the role Jagr filled, because that role has been eliminated. It's more of a team now, not just one guy that they're going to build around.
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"We're going to play an upbeat style of hockey," says Sather . They are trying to mold themselves off the Detroit Red Wings. The Wings don't have the offense running through one guy the whole time as in our old case, Jagr. It was a joint effort from the team with fast tape-to-tape passes. I love our new roster. I rather see everyone get a chance to play instead of the puck ALWAYS going through Jagr on MOST play's. Be Happy people. PP sucked because..... JAGR. ROzy always tried to pass to Jagr, so that brought down ROzy's game. Jagr is gone. Woohoo. Im excited to see this team.

BTw, Naslund isn't a replacement for Jagr. He's a proven skilled scorer who can pot 50-70 points a season.

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It's not a coincidence that everyone who seems to be against this are the same people that don't understand what's going on.

This idea that Naslund is somehow the "replacement" for Jagr is ridiculous. They're not replacing Jagr with one player. It's a change in philosophy. There's not going to be one guy who filled the role Jagr filled, because that role has been eliminated. It's more of a team now, not just one guy that they're going to build around.

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Better, we no longer focus around one player who didn't put up 65 goals, muchless 30.

Who will put up 65 goals next year? I bet Naslund and Zherdev together won't put up 65 goals (25 for Naslund 32 for Zherdev for -15)

The only upgrade is Kalinin over Malik or Mara

7 mill for Redden is a joke!

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It's not a coincidence that everyone who seems to be against this are the same people that don't understand what's going on.

This idea that Naslund is somehow the "replacement" for Jagr is ridiculous. They're not replacing Jagr with one player. It's a change in philosophy. There's not going to be one guy who filled the role Jagr filled, because that role has been eliminated. It's more of a team now, not just one guy that they're going to build around.
So what is the philosophy now.....Naslund will skate with Gomez? and Zherdev with Drury? Is that it .....big whooptidoo! We'll surely contend for the cup!

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So what is the philosophy now.....Naslund will skate with Gomez? and Zherdev with Drury? Is that it .....big whooptidoo! We'll surely contend for the cup!
The philosophy is to become more of a team and not run the entire offense through one player.

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Who will put up 65 goals next year? I bet Naslund and Zherdev together won't put up 65 goals (25 for Naslund 32 for Zherdev for -15)

The only upgrade is Kalinin over Malik or Mara

7 mill for Redden is a joke!
I think what he was saying is that for the offense to be based around one guy, he better be putting up 65 goals. In this case Jagr didn't even crack half of that.

In the case of Zherdev and Naslund, 60 between the two of them isn't really out of the question and certainly creates a more balanced first line.

As for Redden, the money is an overpayment, but what defenseman isn't overpaid right now?

This is a guy who prior to last year had points in the "coveted" Campbell/Boyle realm. And that's not even Redden's main focus.

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So what is the philosophy now.....Naslund will skate with Gomez? and Zherdev with Drury? Is that it .....big whooptidoo! We'll surely contend for the cup!
You honestly believe we were going that with an aging Jagr at $6-million+ a season for the next two years?

And who exactly was going to play the left side with him? For that matter, what kind of production would project for that investment?

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So what is the philosophy now.....Naslund will skate with Gomez? and Zherdev with Drury? Is that it .....big whooptidoo! We'll surely contend for the cup!
Somehow I doubt the plan is to contend for the Cup this season. We're going to be competitive and I honestly think we'll score more goals this year. But I think we're looking at best at another 2nd round exit. This team is a couple of years from contending, if not 3 or 4.

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I think Save by Richter and Mixtures have it right, I don't think Naslund is the "replacement" for Jagr.
I understand that Nasland isn't a replacement for Jagr...He's a replacement for Avery (Gomez left wing) and I understand that Zherdev is a upgrade of Shanny on Gomez RW...The problem is as we use words like "balance" and "depth" to describe the Rangers is they have in "Reality" A good 2nd line with Gomez as the center...A good 3rd line with Drury as the center.....A decent 3rd line with Dubinsky as the center...A good 4th line with Betts as the center....

You see the problem here? They have no 1st line....

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I think it's just a different overall approach that is looking for more balance. I don't know if it will work, but time will tell.
I don't think it will work...i think next year BEST CASE scenario we are pushing for the playoffs and add a top line player then...Again though...I'm hoping I'm wrong about this...I'm wrong pretty often!

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It's obvious that the guys the Rangers lost were guys who they didn't have as part of this plan. Whether that works out in the end or not, I think Avery's days as a Ranger were about over for this team no matter what. Especially when you start talking about $4 million a year and a four year contract with a no-trade agreement. I think Avery knew it and I think the Rangers knew it. You can't drop a ball that nobody throws to you.
I think if the Rangers played the Avery situation smart last summer they could've had him for less...They didn't and you know what it sucks he's gone but I can live with it...it's not a backbreaking blow to the team...
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As for Jagr, I think it was pretty obvious that right, wrong or indifferent this team belongs to Drury and Gomez now. When you start talking about $6 or $7 million, plus a multi-year contract, plus a comment about wanting to be the highest paid and be the man, it's just not going to work.
I can't really disagree with this point but the Rangers could've and should've waited a year to let Jagr go simply because they don't have a winger to replace his production...You could've either traded for one during the season OR signed one as a free agent next offseason...To go into this next offseason "winging it" just doesn't sit right with me...It's rather obvious managment didn't have a plan going into July 1st...

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If Jagr isn't on board with what they want to do, it's hard to bring him back, let alone at a huge multi-year salary.
One year for Jagr at even $7M bucks a year buys you time (he probably takes that contract)...The Rangers could've easily done this by not signing Naslund and getting rid of Prucha...

Prucha/Naslund or Jagr?

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So the Rangers shed what would've been about $11-million in salary, plus other salaries and they got a bit more depth. It's just a different type of building plan. What I do like is that they actually have some flexibility for moves moving forward and have some options to put together.
Edge I think what we have is a lot of 3rd line players that you can mask with world class talent...Without Jagr to take on the other teams top defenseman and forwards it exposes players for what they are...good 2nd and 3rd liners...with 2nd and 3rd liner production..


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It has it's risks, but I don't think it's significantly more of a risk than going forward with Avery and Jagr while lacking depth and/or the ability to make future moves.
For one more season I would've taken the risk...I could be wrong about all this but who knows for sure...we'll all find out soon enough....


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I think anytime you lose a player of Jagr's abiility/reputation on the ice, it does do damage. You have filled holes nicely with some wild cards that may help. All in all, as a Devils fan, I have seen so many UFA's either choose to leave or not be offered a contract by the Devils. It does take a short term toll on the team. The problem with the Rangers is that they have been an average team for close to a decade and were just starting to show signs of emerging..when now, it looks as if the rebuilding process will take more time. Bringing in this many new faces will once again take time and may cause problems early on.. As of July 3rd, I would say that the Rangers are a bit worse than last year..but October is a long time away..

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I understand the criticism or praise both ways, but how the hell can anyone say this team isn't a cup contender? Every team outside of maybe 3 are cup contenders today. How many people outside of Philly would have bet the Flyers would be 3 games away from the cup? That Montreal was a #1 seed? That Buffalo would completely miss the playoffs?

It's a long year where a ton of things can happen, not to mention we still have 3+ months until the first puck even drops.

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It's not a coincidence that everyone who seems to be against this are the same people that don't understand what's going on.

This idea that Naslund is somehow the "replacement" for Jagr is ridiculous. They're not replacing Jagr with one player. It's a change in philosophy. There's not going to be one guy who filled the role Jagr filled, because that role has been eliminated. It's more of a team now, not just one guy that they're going to build around.
You can quote me all you want but I understand Naslund isn't here to replace Jagr..I just don't think what the Rangers have is enough to replace Jagr...

Do you honestly think what the Rangers have now is enough? It's no coincidence that the people that love this move are the people that don't understand what's going on...The Rangers are either trying to compete while rebuilding (which doesn't work) OR They are flat out throwing in the towel for next season....(which they had no reason to do)

The team they will ice in Prague is worse then the team that left the ice in pittsburgh..That's my problem....

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