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07-04-2008, 07:24 AM
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Jagr > Naslund

We still don't have a replacement for Jagr. Naslund is no Jaromir. Any ideas?

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Naslund may not be better than Jags, but the new team-oriented Rangers offense > the old Jagr-centric Rangers offense

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Jagrs replacement is Gomez and Drury. The writing was on the wall. Naslund and Zherdev are the finishing pieces

Is what it is. Time to move on..........

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Naslund may not be better than Jags, but the new team-oriented Rangers offense > the old Jagr-centric Rangers offense

That remains to be seen

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Ranger86 your icon is indeed pretty awesome.

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That remains to be seen

Yeah seriously. I never understood these people who swore everything that was wrong with the team was Jagr's fault and that every one differed to him for everything. This is completely subjective and there's no way to prove that short of players saying it.

If this team goes out and scores 150 goals next year then who's fault will it be?

Considering Gomez and Drury aren't goal scorers, Zherdev is no sure thing, and Naslund has been declining for years, who's to say this won't be the case?

Everyone around here sure has a lot of faith in the afforementioned players along with guys like Callahan and Dawes having hugely improved offensive years.

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07-04-2008, 10:18 AM
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Agreed.

Jagr > Naslund.

If Naslund was worth 2 years, JJ was too.

However, if there is a silver lining, it is that Jagr will mentor Cherepanov in Omsk for a year.

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07-04-2008, 10:29 AM
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Naslund may not be better than Jags, but the new team-oriented Rangers offense > the old Jagr-centric Rangers offense
These rumors of a Jagr centric offense are pretty funny. You must mean the offense that RELIED on JAGR SAVING their ***** WAY TOO much because they couldn't get it done and would look for him to perform miracles each and EVERY TIME ON THE ICE! Now that offense...which was quite offensive to watch, I remember well.....and I think this new group will have bigger problems WITHOUT someone of Jagr's calibre around! Is Atlanta ready to trade Ilya yet? We can package Roszival, Prucha ....and another prospect or two for him and re- sign Mara....Then I START getting excited about this teams possibilities again!

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Considering Gomez and Drury aren't goal scorers, Zherdev is no sure thing, and Naslund has been declining for years, who's to say this won't be the case?
You're saying this as if Jagr was the best goal scorer in the league last year or something.

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Yes, Jagr > Naslund.

But they're not trying to replace Jagr with Naslund.

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Naslund...two years younger, <$3 million+ per cap hit, same goal production vs. Jagr

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Agreed.

Jagr > Naslund.

If Naslund was worth 2 years, JJ was too.

However, if there is a silver lining, it is that Jagr will mentor Cherepanov in Omsk for a year.
If JJ would have taken 4 mil per year, he would have been a Ranger. Or if he would have taken 6 mil for 1 year.

Sad to see him go, but that's the reality of having a salary cap. Even so, I think we'll be fine.

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These rumors of a Jagr centric offense are pretty funny. You must mean the offense that RELIED on JAGR SAVING their ***** WAY TOO much because they couldn't get it done and would look for him to perform miracles each and EVERY TIME ON THE ICE! Now that offense...which was quite offensive to watch, I remember well.....and I think this new group will have bigger problems WITHOUT someone of Jagr's calibre around! Is Atlanta ready to trade Ilya yet? We can package Roszival, Prucha ....and another prospect or two for him and re- sign Mara....Then I START getting excited about this teams possibilities again!
Guys you dont sign a player (roszival) and then trade him before the season even starts. It doesnt work like that. Players would never sign with the rangers if stuff like that happens. I do believe however the rangers will try to acquire a kovalchuck AT THE DEADLINE when the cap hit is minimal.

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Agreed.

Jagr > Naslund.

If Naslund was worth 2 years, JJ was too.

However, if there is a silver lining, it is that Jagr will mentor Cherepanov in Omsk for a year.
Doesnt this knock Cherepanov down on the depth chart?

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07-04-2008, 10:46 AM
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Guys you dont sign a player (roszival) and then trade him before the season even starts. It doesnt work like that. Players would never sign with the rangers if stuff like that happens. I do believe however the rangers will try to acquire a kovalchuck AT THE DEADLINE when the cap hit is minimal.
I'm not expecting that to happen! I'm merely wishing out loud what I WISH would happen! I don't think it is so far fetched to want that scenario either.

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You don't have to have a superstar to be successful in the NHL...if the team works together and meshes that is fine. As long as you have guys that buy into the system and can work together well then the team will succeed.

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No doubt about it, but Naslund will fit well into our "new style of play." I will miss the old style centered around Jar, but the new style of play will be more productive.

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Jags was great and pulled us out of that 7 seasons without playoffs. However Jags was Horrible last year until the last 20 games and the playoffs. Naslund and Zheredev will mesh with Gomez and that will be greater than the Jagr centric Offense. This line will score 80 goals.

Keep the 2nd line of Drury w/ cally and Dawes This line will score 70 goals

3rd line of Dubinsky will have 4 players vying for the wing position. Prucha, Korpedo, Sjostrom and Fritche. I predict that Korpedo and Shoe will win the spots. This line will score 45 goals.

4th line of Betts with Voros and Rismiller. This line will score 18 goals.

The Defense will score about 25 goals.

Thats 238 goals which is a 27 goal improvement from last year.

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Did we really need another one of these "We'll fail without Jagr" threads?

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W/e. I am liking this so far. Although I do have my doubts as is the lesson learned from last season.

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We still don't have a replacement for Jagr. Naslund is no Jaromir. Any ideas?
Here's my problem with this entire thread.

Why do you need to replace him?

Its not like the Rangers won 2 Cups while he was here, they didnt even get to the conference finals.

He can be replaced with more than 1 player, better defense and powerplay.

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Naslund only scored 25 goals playing in the Western Conference. The west is different to the east because the defence there is much better. He had to play against Dion 8 times a year, Pronger 4 times, Lidstrom 4 times. I feel he could put up more than last year playing with Drury/Gomez.

I dont feel the ideal replacement for Jagr is Naslund but we are going in the right direction.

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Jagr is a guaranteed hall of famer and cannot truly be replaced. However, his time with the team had ended and it is pretty clear that he was going to Russia unless he got a truly amazing offer from an NHL team.

I'm gonna miss Jagr, but now we have to hope for Zherdev to become the goal-scorer we can count on.

And FWIW, Jagr and Naslund both had 25 goals last year.

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Naslund only scored 25 goals playing in the Western Conference. The west is different to the east because the defence there is much better. He had to play against Dion 8 times a year, Pronger 4 times, Lidstrom 4 times. I feel he could put up more than last year playing with Drury/Gomez.

I dont feel the ideal replacement for Jagr is Naslund but we are going in the right direction.
You're right about this. The West has much better defense, and not really even arguable

Let's also not forget about Zherdev, who was in the same boat pretty much. And to add to that, he didn't have proper line mates

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