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07-04-2008, 02:34 PM
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for the record, people putting wellwood at our second line centre spot are insane.he is a third liner at best.
Not every 2nd line center (legit or not) would make a good 3rd line center.

He is, IMHO, just a depth guy to fill-in in case somebody gets hurt in the top two spots.

Whatever his faults (Alain won't put him in the lineup if he's not in shape), it's light years ahead of putting a career AHLer (and a winger to boot) in that spot.

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07-04-2008, 02:35 PM
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anyone know how physical Bernier is? does he ever fight?
http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/1425

4 fights last year

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Might as well start the Vancouver Canucks youth movement since the deadweight of Naslund and Morrison are gone.

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I'm thinking that this really does make Pyatt redundant......and not just for the locker room "pretty boy" quota.
Pyatt would be a great compliment to Burrows and Hansen on the 3rd line, and he can be a net presence on the 2nd PP unit. but yeah, him and pettinger seem to fit in the same slot on our team so one can be spared.

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Even if Bernier is a marginal upgrade on Pyatt offensively to this date, he brings a lot more physically. He was 34th in the league in hits last season and is willing to go to the net. The fact that his style will likely mesh with the Sedins better should make him a better linemate. He's not ideal, but he's also the type of player who is young and still has potential to improve upon what he's shown to date.

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anyone know how physical Bernier is? does he ever fight?
http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/1425

6 NHL fights in his career, 4 last season. I think he's a decent hitter.

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I'm thinking that this really does make Pyatt redundant......and not just for the locker room "pretty boy" quota.
Injuries will happen. Depth is good.

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I'm thinking that this really does make Pyatt redundant..
He may yet be put with the Sedins if we get Sundin. Imagine this:

Sedin-Sedin-Pyatt
Raymond-Sundin-Bernier

No #1 line....No #2 line....just line #1a and line #1b.

Or if we're down by a goal or two late in the game:

Sedin-Sedin-Sundin (double-shifted)

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This is a good, cheap move for the 2nd line. If I were the Nucks, I would keep Pyatt with the twins and see what Bernier can do with Wellwood, Shannon and Hansen. I think putting Bernier on your top line is the best fit that you have but it would significantly weaken your 2nd line even more so.

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Wheres Raymond?

Sedins-Bernier
Raymond-Wellwood(C/RW)-?
Burrows-Kesler-Pyatt
Pettinger-Johnson-Hordichuk

2nd line needs some size but overall the Canucks aren't looking so bad anymore.
yeah, I can't believe I forgot raymond. anyway, I edited my roster.
if they can sign demitra, I'd be more or less satisfied

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07-04-2008, 02:39 PM
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Bernier had 160 hits last season good for 34th in the league, Gillis is building a tough, gritty team this upcoming season.

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Good trade Nucks fans

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Its a good deal, but it doesn't automatically make us a good team again. Gillis beter have some other stuff under his sleeve. This is a good start though.

Bernier could be a long term linemate for the Sedins, but his work ethic issues scare me. Apparently he was in poor shape in SJ and in Buffalo. Sounds like Wellwood to me.

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I'm thinking that this really does make Pyatt redundant......and not just for the locker room "pretty boy" quota.
Hrm, yeah, now that you mention it...


Let's assume Bernier hits the top 6, for convienance sake, with the Twins.

In a perfect world, MG doesn't want Pyatt in the top 6, and signs two more players to play with Raymond on the "2nd" line.


Now, I wanted Pyatt to play with Kesler/BUrrows, since I thought Pyatt has good defensive skills and adds some size to that line. But Pyatt is probably one of the few forwards we have with decent trade value that we can afford to trade. And Hansen/Hodsgon (longshot)/Anyone else really can fill in ok on that line, as Isbister proved last year, so keeping Pyatt to play with them isn't vital.

So I could see Pyatt/Bieksa being packaged, or Pyatt/something being thrown together to fill out our top 6 if we can't sign two more forwards, or don't trust Raymond enough to hold down that spot, or to just try and go out and grab a huge center that this team so desperately needs.

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I'm a big Bernier fan. He's got tons of upside and has always impressed me when I've seen him play. For a 2nd and 3rd rounder, this is very good deal IMO.


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07-04-2008, 02:43 PM
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Haha, some posters around here thought Bernier would be a solid centre-piece in a deal with Bieksa going back the other way. Apparently his conditioning is pretty bad, and Buffalo felt San Jose off-loaded some garbage in the Campbell trade. He can hit the gym with Wellwood.

I thought the conditioning problem was a thing of the past. He had extremely bad conditioning going into the 03 draft combine. It apparently upped his stock though...because he apparently did well, albeit being out of shape

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Nice, Gillis actually does something.

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Yes, yes.. this is good, me likey (unless there's some kind of signing issues with the guy)

He was a player I had in mind to play with the twins, but seeing as how they JUST acquired him and he lit it up in Buffalo I didn't think there was a chance he was moving.

It's nice that we didn't lose any roster players in this deal, especially considering Buffalo is in heavy pursuit of defensemen, especially a gritty one (Bieksa)

Now if Sundin signs.. maybe even with Demitra, thinks could fall into place rather nicely..

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Pyatt would be a great compliment to Burrows and Hansen on the 3rd line, and he can be a net presence on the 2nd PP unit. but yeah, him and pettinger seem to fit in the same slot on our team so one can be spared.
I don't think he complements any line. He COULD complement the third line beautifully if he decided to use his size more than once every ten games (an exageration but you get my point). He COULD complement a second line even if he did the same thing.

He just doesn't seem to. Pyatt has the making to be a decent power forward but just doesn't care to put it together. I suppose I've lost my patience with him and see him as expendable.

That's not to say I want to run him out of town as he is a perfectly serviceable hockey player. He can just be much more I think if he wanted to be.

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Bernier had 160 hits last season good for 34th in the league, Gillis is building a tough, gritty team this upcoming season.
I....I just peed a little in excitement....a big player who throws hits? Sorry? What was that?


You mean Isbister and Pyatt are allowed to throw hits??

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With Wellwood and Bernier, I believe Gillis looks at them as young players with great potential and can mold them into having a good work ethic. With someone like Jokinen you can't exactly teach an old dog new tricks.

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the rumours of his conditioning being lacklustre are a bit worrisome.

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I'm a big Bernier. He's got tons of upside and has always impressed me when I've seen him play. For a 2nd and 3rd rounder, this is very good deal IMO.
Bernier's already pretty big... 6-foot-2, 225lbs
I'd be scared to see how big you are, Mr. Bernier.



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for the record, people putting wellwood at our second line centre spot are insane.he is a third liner at best.if anything kesler will get a bigger role and be the second liner.might even take burrows with him.
Kesler in essence will be the 2nd line center but that line will play more of a 2 way game and will be used to shutdown the opposing top line, while Wellwood will be playing on a line that will be more used in offensive situations. I think a lot of us are used to putting the top 2 lines as offensive lines, the 3rd line as the shutdown line and the 4th as whatever the left overs will create, in the canucks case an energy line.

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