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07-04-2008, 01:47 PM
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I'm thinking that this really does make Pyatt redundant......and not just for the locker room "pretty boy" quota.
canucks with more size is a good thing and I don't think you can get enough size with skill. Imagine two powerplay lines where you can throw a big guy in front of the net. plus, pyatt is a pretty good secondary scrapper.

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Alot still needs to be done, but I don't think it can be overstated how much flexibility this move gives us.

We added a young player to our core with attributes this team severely lacked - and we're essentially in the same position we were yesterday - with the ability to still tender an offersheet, trade a defenseman for a forward, or throw some cash at one of the remaining unrestricted free agents.

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Right now
Sedin - Sedin - Bernier
Raymond - Wellwood - Pyatt
Burrows- Kesler - Hansen
Hordichuk - Johnson - Pettinger

All of our right wings can be shuffled to find out what works. And we definitely need at least two more top six forwards.

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the rumours of his conditioning being lacklustre are a bit worrisome.
Conditioning and off-ice work ethic can be fixed. You can't teach talent, speed, or size (to an extent).

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I don't think he complements any line. He COULD complement the third line beautifully if he decided to use his size more than once every ten games (an exageration but you get my point). He COULD complement a second line even if he did the same thing.

He just doesn't seem to. Pyatt has the making to be a decent power forward but just doesn't care to put it together. I suppose I've lost my patience with him and see him as expendable.

That's not to say I want to run him out of town as he is a perfectly serviceable hockey player. He can just be much more I think if he wanted to be.
I thought he improved his physical play quite a bit last season. there's still room to improve, but he does use his body well along the boards and in front of the net. he doesn't throw a lot of big body checks, but there are other ways of being physical.

he has a nice combination of size and hands, and while he's never going to be the run-away train power forward we'd all love him to be, he's still a nice piece in the puzzle, especially as a bottom 6 forward. that said, if the return is good I have no problem moving him. I wouldn't just give him away though.

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Good trade for Gillis

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He needs to improve his speed and work ethic and conditionning

but it's a good trade. low risk medium reward

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I've seen Big Bear play a lot. Hes a good guy, fights for his teammates, and has offensive abilities to boot. One thing I really noticed about him though was his lack of stamina. It seemed like after a few bursts hes would be flat out exhausted. Which really hurt his defensive zone coverage which is poor as it is. Playing with the Sedins though he shouldn't have worry too much about the defensive zone seeing that they'd have the opposition hemmed up. Hes big, he hits, has a wicked shot, nice aquisition

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be wary of Bernier. He does have some problems with conditioning, and he doesn't always play hard. The talent is definitely there, but he's not always willing to use it. Fights and hits are nice, but you want offence, and he didn't do much for the Sharks prior to the trade last year, and didn't do much for the Sabres after the trade (his first game outburst notwithstanding). Shark fans were always intrigued with his potential, but frustrated by teh fact that we knew he could be better if he applied himself


If he shapes up (literally) and plays hard, he can be a force. But if he keeps starting teh season a little chunky and coasts when he feels like it, he could just as easily be forgettable.

But hey, if the Sedins can get what they did out of Carter and (to a lesser extent) Pyatt, maybe they can overcome some of Bernier's deficiencies.

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Bernier's already pretty big... 6-foot-2, 225lbs
I'd be scared to see how big you are, Mr. Bernier.


6-foot-3, 226!

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Assuming Raymond makes it as the second-line LW that leaves two more top-6 slots to be filled. A centre and another RWer. At this point I would not be opposed to adding Demitra as a complimentary player and a bit of a mentor to Raymond (similar styles).

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be wary of Bernier. He does have some problems with conditioning, and he doesn't always play hard. The talent is definitely there, but he's not always willing to use it. Fights and hits are nice, but you want offence, and he didn't do much for the Sharks prior to the trade last year, and didn't do much for the Sabres after the trade (his first game outburst notwithstanding). Shark fans were always intrigued with his potential, but frustrated by teh fact that we knew he could be better if he applied himself


If he shapes up (literally) and plays hard, he can be a force. But if he keeps starting teh season a little chunky and coasts when he feels like it, he could just as easily be forgettable.

But hey, if the Sedins can get what they did out of Carter and (to a lesser extent) Pyatt, maybe they can overcome some of Bernier's deficiencies.

sounds like another young, big powerforward we got from the new york area a few years back (woot woot, first one to claim that Bernier is the "next bertuzzi"! do I get a cookie for that?)

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sounds like another young, big powerforward we got from the new york area a few years back (woot woot, first one to claim that Bernier is the "next bertuzzi"! do I get a cookie for that?)
I agree. That report is pretty much word-for-word how Bertuzzi was described when the Canucks acquired him from the Island. Here's hoping!

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I agree. That report is pretty much word-for-word how Bertuzzi was described when the Canucks acquired him from the Island. Here's hoping!
Without the crazy. For the love of god, with out the crazy.

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07-04-2008, 01:59 PM
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Without the crazy. For the love of god, with out the crazy.

Lol, yeah, Bernier never showed any of the crazy. And certainly none of Bertuzzi's extra-strength crazy.

Lazy? Yeah, maybe. But not crazy.

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A couple of thoughts.

1. Definately a step in the right direction. This is a beginning, not an end to the summer moves hopefully.
2. Sounds like Ryan Walter has his work cut out for him: first Wellwood, now Bernier.
3. Anyone have any idea what his contract might look like? I'm thinking $13 million over 4 years?

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Now I say screw the Sundin deal give an offersheet to O'Sullivan then if he wants some leadership see if we can sign Shanahan for 1 year and 3-3.5 million

Sedin Sedin Bernier
Shanny O'Sullivan Raymond
Burrows Kesler Cooke
Hordichuk Johnson Wellwood
Pettinger/Cowan

trade Pyatt for picks and sign the Cooker

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be wary of Bernier. He does have some problems with conditioning, and he doesn't always play hard. The talent is definitely there, but he's not always willing to use it. Fights and hits are nice, but you want offence, and he didn't do much for the Sharks prior to the trade last year, and didn't do much for the Sabres after the trade (his first game outburst notwithstanding). Shark fans were always intrigued with his potential, but frustrated by teh fact that we knew he could be better if he applied himself
Doesn't that sort of sum up the entire Sharks team last year?

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Love this deal. Right hand, younger, bigger, and a possible fit for the Sedins. He's automatically a better fit than Pyatt.

Even if you think we need to rebuilt, this fits both directions.

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He needs to improve his speed and work ethic and conditionning

but it's a good trade. low risk medium reward
Send him to Sweden to train with his new linemates for a month. He'll learn all about how to become a conditioned athlete and how to improve his foot speed.

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This is such a steal! YES!! Meet the Sedins new linemate.

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__ Sundin Wellwood
Sedin Sedin Bernier
Burrows Kesler Johnson
Pettinger Raymond Grabner
Hordichuk

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Without the crazy. For the love of god, with out the crazy.
Canucks vs Leafs

Bernier passes the puck to Raymond and then starts following Dominic Moore. What is he doing? (As Shorty described it Bernier gives Moore a whack and HERE WE GO!

Man wouldn't that be something...

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Solid move. Bernier is streaky, but he's huge, RH'ed shot and very physical. Great linemate for the Sedins and the asking price was right.

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