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07-04-2008, 01:42 PM
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and that lineup lost easily to the Devils in round one. And while Jagr wasn't a wrecking ball, he stil tired out defenses because he was able to control the puck in their defensive zones (along with Nylander). I don't see that abilty currently on the Rangers' roster.

I will add that it's nearly impossible to put together lines. This team still isn't set. Conventional wisdom says Naslund plays with Gomez - but of course we said the same about Jagr and that didn't last. Does Zherdev play with Gomez? Should they stack a top line or spread it out? Who else in on the horizon?

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07-04-2008, 01:45 PM
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07-04-2008, 02:31 PM
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bernier's been traded to the canucks for a second round pick in 2010 and a third round pick 2009.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242495&l...s=topStory_nhl

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07-04-2008, 02:53 PM
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bernier's been traded to the canucks for a second round pick in 2010 and a third round pick 2009.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=242495&l...s=topStory_nhl
wow......sather couldnt match that?........please!!! get vermette!!

naslund-gomez-zherdev
dawes-drury-sjostrom
callahan-dubinsky-korpikoski
voros-betts-byers
orr(he plays when the other team has a heavyweight)

staal-redden
rozsival-girardi
kalinin-mara
potter


im hoping the rangers can trade some assets for vermette, but i dont know if it will happen

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07-04-2008, 03:02 PM
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A lot of the second lines that i'm seeing look fairly weak.

Dawes - Gomez - Naslund (Dawes + Gomez play well together, Naslund also prefers a run and gun type game)

Zherdev - Drury - Prucha (Zherdev is not a pure goal scorer, and is very capable of doing some playmaking to take advantage of Drury's wrist shot. Prucha is complimentary)

Korpikoski - Dubinsky - Callahan
Rissmiller - Betts - Voros


Redden - Staal (Staal gets to learn first hand from a former all-star)
Rozsival - Girardi (Offensive defenseman, with a stay at home guy)
Mara - Kalinin

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07-04-2008, 03:05 PM
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yeah-it seems like they didn't give up much for bernier, and we def could've offered the same package of picks and then thrown in anyone-betts, callahan, fritche, or pretty much anyone else to sweeten the pot for buff. either way, anyone we could've thrown in wouldn't have cost buff too much extra in salary, they would've added a somewhat established player already-even if the it was a lower level forward, and then they would've recevied the same number of picks. granted, the picks may have not been as high coming from the rangers(hopefully), but that's why they could've gotten another player they could put right into their lineup.

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07-04-2008, 03:23 PM
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Would Buffalo....

trade a 23 year old, up and coming physical PF for cheap within their own division? Not sure Bernier was available to the Rangers.

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07-04-2008, 03:25 PM
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I wasn't aware the Rangers were in the Sabres' division.

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07-04-2008, 03:26 PM
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if buffalo was looking to move him anyways and the rangers made the better offer, it seems like they should've taken it into serious consideration. Nothingasitseems-u're right

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Some of you are drastically overvaluing Sjostrom. He's not a top 6 forward! Not even close

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Some of you are drastically overvaluing Sjostrom. He's not a top 6 forward! Not even close
Agreed. I mean if we are injured, 3rd line tops.

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07-04-2008, 03:51 PM
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My Preferred Lines

Dawes - Gomez - Zherdev
Naslund - Drury - Prucha
Callahan - Dubinsky - Fritsche
Voros - Betts - Korpikoski

Redden - Staal
Rozsival - Kalinin
Mara - Girardi

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07-04-2008, 04:01 PM
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Drury - Gomez - Zherdev
Dawes - Dubinsky - Naslund
Callahan - Fritsche - Korpikoski
Voros - Betts - Sjostrom
Rissmiller/Orr

Staal - Redden
Rozsival - Kalinin
Mara - Girardi
Pock/Potter

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07-04-2008, 04:05 PM
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With this lineup right now, you basically have to ask that at least one of your 2nd line wingers have to be Prucha, who has the only realistic shot at being up there and should be the only one up there unless you move Dubinsky to wing.

That's a lot of pressure and Prucha to go back to what he once was, and while I'd love that, I don't think he's capable. And, by removing Dubinsky from the bottom six into the top six, you slightly increase the top but pretty much dissipate any and all value the bottom six had beforehand.

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07-04-2008, 05:50 PM
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Why do people want Dawes so bad on the top line???

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07-04-2008, 05:52 PM
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Conference...

sorry for the typo - I assume you understood the point.

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07-04-2008, 06:36 PM
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Why do people want Dawes so bad on the top line???
The kid can play and has done well with Gomez in the past. Also it spreads out the talent a little more if we don't load both Naslund and Zherdev onto a line with Gomez. Besides we're not going to have a real definitive top line to start the year anyway. We're going to have two or maybe three lines with scoring abilities and see how it shakes out from there.

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Am I the only person who kinda likes Korpikoski more than Dawes?
Well until Korpikoski gets to play a lot of games on the NHL level you can't really say whether he is better than Dawes or not. Dawes has already showed that he can be a scorer in the NHL and is lock for the top 6 this year. I assume Korpi will get a chance to play this year and we'll see what he can do with it.

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07-04-2008, 07:38 PM
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A lot of the second lines that i'm seeing look fairly weak.

Dawes - Gomez - Naslund (Dawes + Gomez play well together, Naslund also prefers a run and gun type game)

Zherdev - Drury - Prucha (Zherdev is not a pure goal scorer, and is very capable of doing some playmaking to take advantage of Drury's wrist shot. Prucha is complimentary)

Korpikoski - Dubinsky - Callahan
Rissmiller - Betts - Voros


Redden - Staal (Staal gets to learn first hand from a former all-star)
Rozsival - Girardi (Offensive defenseman, with a stay at home guy)
Mara - Kalinin

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There is not a chance that Gomez and Zherdev aren't together. They both have great speed and putting Gomez with a sniper like Zherdev makes perfect sense.

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07-04-2008, 07:41 PM
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and that lineup lost easily to the Devils in round one. And while Jagr wasn't a wrecking ball, he stil tired out defenses because he was able to control the puck in their defensive zones (along with Nylander). I don't see that abilty currently on the Rangers' roster.

I will add that it's nearly impossible to put together lines. This team still isn't set. Conventional wisdom says Naslund plays with Gomez - but of course we said the same about Jagr and that didn't last. Does Zherdev play with Gomez? Should they stack a top line or spread it out? Who else in on the horizon?
Fletch, I think you missed my point. The post I quote claimed this current lineup was the softest ever. I pointed out the "toughness" (please note the sarcasm) of the 2005-6 lineup.

As for having players with puck possession ability, the transformation from that kind of team to the envisioned construction is just about complete. It's not about puck possession; its about using speed to put pressure on the opposing defenses, and for our defense to make quick transitions out of the defensive zone to offense. There a plenty of players on the roster with both of those abilities now.

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07-04-2008, 07:51 PM
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my sides are aching at the amount of people who have Nigel Dawes at 1st line LW...

other than a flukey goal vs. the Pens what exactly has this guy done to warrant 1st line playing time...? just curious..
i wouldn't even have him on the 2nd line but then again what the heck do i know?
other than the proverbial 'intangibles' didn't seem to me like Dawes was a value-add to the Drury line.


Naslund - Gomez - Zherdev
Prucha - Drury - Callahan
Korpikoski/Dawes - Dubinsky - Fritsche
Korpikoski/Dawes - Betts - Orr/Voros/whomever

Redden - Girardi (not saying he's a #2, yet, but he'll probably get paired up to compliment Redden)
Staal - Rosival
Mara - Kalinin

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my sides are aching at the amount of people who have Nigel Dawes at 1st line LW...

other than a flukey goal vs. the Pens what exactly has this guy done to warrant 1st line playing time...? just curious..
i wouldn't even have him on the 2nd line but then again what the heck do i know?
other than the proverbial 'intangibles' didn't seem to me like Dawes was a value-add to the Drury line.


Naslund - Gomez - Zherdev
Prucha - Drury - Callahan
Korpikoski/Dawes - Dubinsky - Fritsche
Korpikoski/Dawes - Betts - Orr/Voros/whomever

Redden - Girardi (not saying he's a #2, yet, but he'll probably get paired up to compliment Redden)
Staal - Rosival
Mara - Kalinin

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You just called out people for putting Dawes on the 1st line, and followed it up by putting Callahan on the 2nd?

Oh boy.

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not saying he's a top 6 winger so much; but at least he's proven himself to mesh quite well with Drury... any other Dawes Apologists out there? feel free to weigh in.

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not saying he's a top 6 winger so much; but at least he's proven himself to mesh quite well with Drury... any other Dawes Apologists out there? feel free to weigh in.
And Dawes has proved to mesh well with Gomez.. I'm failing to see your point.

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oh wow, right, i'm supposed to prove my point to you now?
how do you keep a duncecap in suspense?

hold up, Francis, i'll be with you in a moment.

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