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02-20-2008, 03:37 PM
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When you have pucks scattered on the ice, no one will handle the puck better than Kovy. I just wish he could display this kind of skill with moving players.


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02-20-2008, 03:40 PM
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Honestly, I don't even think Kovalev's the most talented player on the team. Technically skilled, yes, but Markov has more talent and I think Kostitsyn might have more as well. Vision and hockey sense are part of talent as well.

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02-20-2008, 04:19 PM
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It really depends what you mean by "talented". If you're talking about raw skills then yeah, he's probably one of the most talented players to have ever played the game.

But if you're talking talent as in hockey vision and hockey sense, then no, he is definitely NOT the most talented. IMO, that's what holds Kovalev back..he simply does not have great vision like the truly elite players in the league; in fact i can name you at least 3-4 guys on the Habs that have better vision than Kovalev. This is why that regardless of all his raw skills, he never was and never will be a premier 100 point player in this league.


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On raw skills, he's the best.

He lacks vision though, meaning he very often takes bad decisions and is not positionned correctly. Although this year it's been much better than last year, if he had the vision players like Wayne or Mario, he'd certainly have numbers close to them.

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02-20-2008, 06:29 PM
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Kovalev has enormous talent with the puck.Oveckhin is better,but Kovalev has probably the best dekes in the NHL.But his is not better than Gretzky.

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02-20-2008, 06:33 PM
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well I just traded Hemsky for him in my keeper pool, so I am on board the Kovalev train. the man, when comfortable and motivated as he is now, is 2nd to none skillwise.

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07-05-2008, 01:27 AM
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he's really good

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07-05-2008, 02:59 AM
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Kovy is the most talented player of his generation.

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07-05-2008, 03:09 AM
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Kovy is the most talented player of his generation.
What kind of homer talk is that?

Jagr, Lemieux, Forsberg, Sundin, Sakic, Yzerman, etc.

He might be one of the better stick handlers and if the game was played in practice, he'd probably be a top 10 player, but he's not close to the most talented player of his generation. Not at all.

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07-05-2008, 03:34 AM
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This was a stupid bump.

There's a policy against bumping old threads for no good reason, damnit.

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07-05-2008, 03:45 AM
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he's really good
Was that bump really necessary?Just for that alone,I hope you receive an infraction ffs.


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Kovy is the most talented player of his generation.
Since when you started to watch hockey? Last year?

Stop drinking the homer kool-aid,man.


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07-05-2008, 03:48 AM
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No. Totally not. This thread is stupid.

His stickhandling and the plays he makes when the game is very slow are definitely up there - but still no.

You can't compare him to other greats. He put up his best numbers playing with the best Euro of all time and the best player of all time. Take away those years, and last year, and he's a really average 1st liner

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07-05-2008, 05:17 AM
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Precise description of our Russian Messiah according to Wikipedia.


"Kovalev is often considered by many critics to possess the finest raw skills in the game of hockey, surpassing the likes of great NHL standouts such as Sidney Crosby, fellow Russian Alexander Ovechkin and some even go as far as saying Kovalev surpasses the skills of Wayne Gretzky."
if by skill, they mean stickhandling, then they have a point.

If there was a stickhandling competition underneath a crowded office desk, kovalev would likely win

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07-05-2008, 05:29 AM
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I don't care if Kovalev has more talent than Ovechkin.
I don't care whether Bouillon is Haitian or American or Quebecois.
I don't care that our captain is Finnish.
I don't care about the Quebec ratio of players on our team.
I don't care that Laraque and Tanguay didn't want to play here at one point.

None of these things make a damn lick of difference on the ice!

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07-05-2008, 06:02 AM
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It really depends what you mean by "talented". If you're talking about raw skills then yeah, he's probably one of the most talented players to have ever played the game.

But if you're talking talent as in hockey vision and hockey sense, then no, he is definitely NOT the most talented. IMO, that's what holds Kovalev back..he simply does not have great vision like the truly elite players in the league; in fact i can name you at least 3-4 guys on the Habs that have better vision than Kovalev. This is why that regardless of all his raw skills, he never was and never will be a premier 100 point player in this league.
That's exactly the way I see it. He's extremely skilled, which shows on the PP with his passing and scoring ability, but at 5 vs 5, he's average, or perhaps even a bit below average for a first line forward.

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A better argument would be Kovalev vs Datsyuk for sickest hands.

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07-05-2008, 07:11 AM
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I'm a super homer and would go to bed wearing Lemieux pajamas every night if I was single, so my answer is no.

But Kovalev would definitely be in my top 3 all time lineup for a skills competition with the puck, for sure.

It was a pleasure watching Lemieux and Kovy as linemates for the brief time they played together.

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07-05-2008, 08:33 AM
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I don't know if you guys know, but in terms of raw talent, Gretzky wasn't that great, Lemieux was much better in my opinion. What made him the best player ever was his vision and how he controlled the game. He wasn't a speed demon, he wasn't a flashy-I-make-moves-in your face player type. Kovalev has a lot of raw talent but Gretzky is still leagues ahead of him if we talk about playing ability. Puck control, stickhanding, skating etc. Kovalev is a beast in these areas.

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07-05-2008, 08:49 AM
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No. Totally not. This thread is stupid.

His stickhandling and the plays he makes when the game is very slow are definitely up there - but still no.

You can't compare him to other greats. He put up his best numbers playing with the best Euro of all time and the best player of all time. Take away those years, and last year, and he's a really average 1st liner
"Take away last year"?

Why?

To me, last year is more important than 5 years ago. If not for last year, Wade Redden would have received $11M per year!

Seriously, it does kind of bother me that everyone keeps saying the Habs need an "impact" player when they already have one in Kovalev. He made the League 2nd all-star team this past season. He scored 18 points more than Hossa and 13 points more than Jagr. He was ahead of Daniel Briere and Olli Jokinen and even Mats Sundin.

Maybe the search for a another good center is worthwhile but a generic "impact player" being needed to win the Cup....balderdash!

The Habs won in both 1986 and 1993 with less offensive talent than they have now (relative to the league).

Now, maybe their "impact player" was Roy. The two years when he was at his best in the playoffs, they won the Cup. Well, Price might do the same to times over an 11-year period, meaning play like he did in Hamilton in 2007.

IMO, what the Habs really need is a 4th top defenceman, more grit, and a stellar performance by Price in the playoffs and yes, they can win the Cup.

Grit is increased with Chipchura, Laraque and soon maybe Stewart and Valentenko.

O'Byrne will get the chance to become the 4th top defenceman we are looking for.

And Price could have a hot streak anytime, hopefully he continues to learn and improve.

So, no I wasn't among those who thought that for the UFA period, the Habs had any big need for Hossa or Jagr.

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07-05-2008, 08:50 AM
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definately one of the best puckhandlers in the league, if not the best

Datsyuk is amazing as well


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07-05-2008, 08:52 AM
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Come on KingKovalev... you know Koivu and Higgins are the greatest stickhandlers of all time...

it's well known here.

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07-05-2008, 09:05 AM
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I'm guessing that, and I might be wrong now, that the guy who put that in Wiki might, just might... be a Kovalev fan.

Maybe its Kovalev himslef who entered that!

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07-05-2008, 09:07 AM
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definately one of the best puckhandlers in the league, if not the best

Datsyuk is amazing as well

Datsyuk wins

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07-05-2008, 09:30 AM
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pure dekes, puckhandling, stick work = kovy one of the best if not the best...overall talent = maybe more consistent work ethic and drive he would be amazing...but he's not always lol. compared to gretz and lemieux not even. he can beat gretz in skills but numbers don't lie and i love him and lemieux too much to make a non biased comparison so i won't. btw kovy is ****in exciting to watch

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one of the lamest threads ive seen in quite a while

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