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07-05-2008, 05:39 PM
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NJ will take him. Parise for Bouw? Or how about Zajac, Tedenby, and a 2010 1st for Bouw?
I'd easily do Bouwmeester for Parise straight up.

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I am at least glad that this means the 1 year offer sheet isn't going to happen. That would have severely hurt the organization. GP this title is also very misleading. All this means is that offer sheets are off the table.
It means the chances of Bouwmeester remaining a Florida Panther for the 2009/10 season are remote. Even if in a Playoff Position at the trade deadline, what real assurance does that give Bouwmeester that the Panthers are on the road to contention or merely have graduated to the mediocre NHL team level of making the Playoffs every so often only to be eliminated in the first round?

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What about :

Ottawa: Jbo, and Van Ryn

Fla : Mazaros,Heatley, and a 1st rounder in 09



Just throwing this out there, I have no idea on trade values or whatnot,but at least we get a top scorer,and a top D man, trade Bo and VanRyn(I believe he was at the calendar signing before the season ended and said his wrists feel 110% better then they did before,so he could be at his A game again)

Like I said, I'm not trying to be a funny man or stupid, being honest,trying to get peoples thoughts and if this is too much from Ott stand point and what could make this actually happen?
No, if you want a quick list of untouchables:

Alfredsson
Spezza
Heatley
Fisher
Phillips
Volchenkov
Elliot (unless we get a replacement in the deal)
Foligno (a bit too important for the future of the club)

Anyone else would be fair game I suppose if the value is right.

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GP is under the assumption that bouwmeester going to arbitration means he has no intention of re-signing here....which isn't neccessarily the case. he can use the arbitration hearing as a huge bargaining chip as he knows the closer they get to the date of the case the more pressure florida will feel and the more money he can squeeze out of them.

our local media coverage is absolutely atrocious. our star defender is in this scenario and we don't know anything....nothing. the herald, sun-sen and palmbeachpost should be ashamed.
Exactly, I know I am repeating myself, but the guy has not said he won't resign. This very well could just be a money issue. I would really like to just see a long term deal done than trade him based on our history of trading star players. When I read the first few words of the thread title, I though we had traded him! We still got him to at least next July unless there's a trade.

We need someone like George Richards to figure out what's going.

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GP is under the assumption that bouwmeester going to arbitration means he has no intention of re-signing here....which isn't neccessarily the case. he can use the arbitration hearing as a huge bargaining chip as he knows the closer they get to the date of the case the more pressure florida will feel and the more money he can squeeze out of them.

our local media coverage is absolutely atrocious. our star defender is in this scenario and we don't know anything....nothing. the herald, sun-sen and palmbeachpost should be ashamed.

Thats exactly what I think is going on. He is going to get as much as he can. Im sure JM has offered him alot already, but I think he will try to get more. He knows he is in for a big payday anyway so why not try for even more. I do believe if he had no intentions whatsoever of staying with the Panthers, he would have been dealt by now. I do think this whole thing is coming down to a money thing.


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I'd easily do Bouwmeester for Parise straight up.

Given the situation now definitely.

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No, if you want a quick list of untouchables:

Alfredsson
Spezza
Heatley
Fisher
Phillips
Volchenkov
Elliot (unless we get a replacement in the deal)
Foligno (a bit too important for the future of the club)

Anyone else would be fair game I suppose if the value is right.
You want the best player on our team and give a list of 8 untouchables. Ok, how are we getting a fair trade?

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I'd easily do Bouwmeester for Parise straight up.
So would I. Thats the trade proposal I keep bringing up. Both players give each team exactly what they need.

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You want the best player on our team and give a list of 8 untouchables. Ok, how our we getting a fair trade?
That post you quoted sounds very greedy but hey what can you expect when someone's team hasnt won the cup for centuries and continues to fail fail in the playoffs.

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There's a reason we have a thread dedicated to trade proposals.

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GP is under the assumption that bouwmeester going to arbitration means he has no intention of re-signing here....which isn't neccessarily the case. he can use the arbitration hearing as a huge bargaining chip as he knows the closer they get to the date of the case the more pressure florida will feel and the more money he can squeeze out of them.

our local media coverage is absolutely atrocious. our star defender is in this scenario and we don't know anything....nothing. the herald, sun-sen and palmbeachpost should be ashamed.
The assumption I'm making is the Panthers have ALREADY broken the bank in an offer to Bouwmeester that he has, at this time turned down. Which means it isn't about money alone but money and winning. What are the chances that Florida can convince Bouw they are on the road to contention even if in a Playoff Position or leading the Division near the deadline? One winning half season hardly wipes away 8 seasons of futility. I would say the chances are remote that even that happy circumstance would convince Bouw to commit long term.

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You want the best player on our team and give a list of 8 untouchables. Ok, how are we getting a fair trade?
It's been discussed before, but most of those guys are signed to very valuable contracts. Keeping those players means the Senators have key pieces to keep themselves competitive over 6 years. If Bouw was already signed to a long term deal then you can look at the possibility of a Bouw for Heatley type trade. The other part of it is that we have some prospects that are a bit too valuable to give up and would be difficult to replace them.

The deal isn't exactly supposed to be an even trade, but rather one that makes sense for both clubs. We have a specific need, but we're not going to try to fulfill it if it means giving up key pieces in another area. I'm positive Murray would prefer a stop gap solution before dealing away most of those guys. The guys in the rumored trade aren't throw away players either, they're still valuable guys getting interest from other clubs, right now they just don't fit in Ottawa's lineup that well.

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It's been discussed before, but most of those guys are signed to very valuable contracts. Keeping those players means the Senators have key pieces to keep themselves competitive over 6 years. If Bouw was already signed to a long term deal then you can look at the possibility of a Bouw for Heatley type trade. The other part of it is that we have some prospects that are a bit too valuable to give up and would be difficult to replace them.

The deal isn't exactly supposed to be an even trade, but rather one that makes sense for both clubs. We have a specific need, but we're not going to try to fulfill it if it means giving up key pieces in another area. I'm positive Murray would prefer a stop gap solution before dealing away most of those guys. The guys in the rumored trade aren't throw away players either, they're still valuable guys getting interest from other clubs, right now they just don't fit in Ottawa's lineup that well.
Well, our need is 1st liners and a replacement for Bouwmeester if he is traded. So, I don't really think a trade with Ottawa makes sense for us if all our needs are untouchables. We have plenty of 3-4 defenseman and second line players.


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The assumption I'm making is the Panthers have ALREADY broken the bank in an offer to Bouwmeester that he has, at this time turned down. Which means it isn't about money alone but money and winning. What are the chances that Florida can convince Bouw they are on the road to contention even if in a Playoff Position or leading the Division near the deadline? One winning half season hardly wipes away 8 seasons of futility. I would say the chances are remote that even that happy circumstance would convince Bouw to commit long term.
I'm afraid I agree with you regarding Bouw making this about winning. If I were to put myself in his position, I'd force the issue, too.

There have way too many promises and not enough deliveries with every Panther team he's suited up for. He can command the money anywhere on the market...I really think this is about signing longterm with a winner.

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The assumption I'm making is the Panthers have ALREADY broken the bank in an offer to Bouwmeester that he has, at this time turned down. Which means it isn't about money alone but money and winning. What are the chances that Florida can convince Bouw they are on the road to contention even if in a Playoff Position or leading the Division near the deadline? One winning half season hardly wipes away 8 seasons of futility. I would say the chances are remote that even that happy circumstance would convince Bouw to commit long term.
again, your assumptions are premature as we really don't have a clue as to whats going on. all of the negative pub going around is speculation and innuendo. we have no idea what martin has or hasn't offered.

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Well, our need is 1st liners and a replacement for Bouwmeester if he is traded. So, I don't really think a trade with Ottawa makes sense for us if all our needs are untouchables. We have plenty of 3-4 defenseman and second line players.
the truth of the matter is we're not going to get a first liner or a proven replacement for bowmeester as the return. trades like that don't happen.

the ottawa package (vermette, meszaros, pick/prospect) would be great, IMO. meszaros may not be as good as bouwmeester is, but he's what, 23 years old? he's already a #3 guy with far more upside if he can minimize his defensive lapses...which i think he will over time. i see meszaros, eventually, becoming a #1 guy.

vermette is a second liner, but also pretty young and brings all the qualities olesz does as a two-way player. he's very underrated.

i'd take that package way before i'd take zach parise straight up. nothing against him, but i'd rather have a 23 yr old defensman with the potential to be a #1 guy and a young jere lehtinen-type forward over one good forward.

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It also means that JM does not have to worry about an offer sheet so he need not keep $12mm in reserve. Perhaps, J-Bo is telling the Panthers to put up or shut up i.e. show that the team is willing to spend up to the cap to win. Pay Bo $6mm and add another scorer or two for $5mm.

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Briere did the same thing right before parting ways with Buffalo. He wanted to make sure he got fair value for the year of hockey he was giving them and then left the team the following offseason. Not saying that it's a done deal that he's gone, but the previous examples of this kind of impasse aren't all that encouraging from a Pathers perspective.

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again, your assumptions are premature as we really don't have a clue as to whats going on. all of the negative pub going around is speculation and innuendo. we have no idea what martin has or hasn't offered.
Gorton has a story on the Sun-Sentinel site now that he spoke with Bouw's agent asking him to comment and he says that this is just the way things have worked out and he ASSUMES the Panthers and he will continue to talk. When asked directly if Bouw was unhappy in Florida, the Agent REFUSED to address the question.

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Briere did the same thing right before parting ways with Buffalo. He wanted to make sure he got fair value for the year of hockey he was giving them and then left the team the following offseason. Not saying that it's a done deal that he's gone, but the previous examples of this kind of impasse aren't all that encouraging from a Pathers perspective.
if that's the case - deal him. with the market the way it is right now, defensmen are at a premium. his value will be high regardless of his contract status (especially if the reason he won't re-sign is he doesn't want to play here)

tyutin just got zherdev and fritchie.

a ridiculously overpaid dan boyle got carle, wishart and a first..

bouwmeester is a much more valuable asset. i really think the sens deal could be plausible and if it is, i'd jump all over it. i think we could possibly be a better team as soon as this year because of it. meszaros had a rough year last season, but the situation in ottawa wasn't healthy and it seems like every defensman there, aside from volchenkov, struggled. a change of scenery and more minutes could do him alot of good.

bouwmeester is great. not trying to minimize his importance, but if you deal a #1 d man for a potential #1 d man and a great, two-way second liner...well...it could work out.

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the truth of the matter is we're not going to get a first liner or a proven replacement for bowmeester as the return. trades like that don't happen.

the ottawa package (vermette, meszaros, pick/prospect) would be great, IMO. meszaros may not be as good as bouwmeester is, but he's what, 23 years old? he's already a #3 guy with far more upside if he can minimize his defensive lapses...which i think he will over time. i see meszaros, eventually, becoming a #1 guy.

vermette is a second liner, but also pretty young and brings all the qualities olesz does as a two-way player. he's very underrated.

i'd take that package way before i'd take zach parise straight up. nothing against him, but i'd rather have a 23 yr old defensman with the potential to be a #1 guy and a young jere lehtinen-type forward over one good forward.
I know your right it's just eating me up that we're on the verge of letting another star player leave the organization for nothing. I really think you're overrating Vermette and Mezaros though. If they had such high upsides Ottawa wouldn't have a problem dishing out 4m for Mezaros and however much Vermette is asking.

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Gorton has a story on the Sun-Sentinel site now that he spoke with Bouw's agent asking him to comment and he says that this is just the way things have worked out and he ASSUMES the Panthers and he will continue to talk. When asked directly if Bouw was unhappy in Florida, the Agent REFUSED to address the question.
Again, I've said it before but we've never heard Jay give any inclination that he would stay here long-term or that he even likes it here. When he was asked by a reporter about liking the south Florida lifestyle and the warm weather his response was that he doesn't mind the cold up north??? Jokinen, Horton, Weiss, etc. all flat out PUBLICLY stated that they wanted to re-up here & be a part of the changing culture of missing the playoffs. Never once heard anything even close from Bouwmeester's camp...not ever!

I've said for a while that I don't think he'll be here after this seasons, so trade him when his value is the highest. Period.

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Gorton has a story on the Sun-Sentinel site now that he spoke with Bouw's agent asking him to comment and he says that this is just the way things have worked out and he ASSUMES the Panthers and he will continue to talk. When asked directly if Bouw was unhappy in Florida, the Agent REFUSED to address the question.
you can read what you want into their comments, and i agree it doesn't look good for bouwmeester staying here long term, but again, agents/GM's use the press as a negotiating tool all the time.

we really dont know whats going on because quite frankly, our local media is terrible and we get zero behind-the-scenes info. all we get is quotes which are incredibly worthless as these guys lie through their teeth all the time to squeeze out an extra penny.

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if that's the case - deal him. with the market the way it is right now, defensmen are at a premium. his value will be high regardless of his contract status (especially if the reason he won't re-sign is he doesn't want to play here)

tyutin just got zherdev and fritchie.

a ridiculously overpaid dan boyle got carle, wishart and a first..

bouwmeester is a much more valuable asset. i really think the sens deal could be plausible and if it is, i'd jump all over it. i think we could possibly be a better team as soon as this year because of it. meszaros had a rough year last season, but the situation in ottawa wasn't healthy and it seems like every defensman there, aside from volchenkov, struggled. a change of scenery and more minutes could do him alot of good.

bouwmeester is great. not trying to minimize his importance, but if you deal a #1 d man for a potential #1 d man and a great, two-way second liner...well...it could work out.
Exactly. That is, in a roundabout way, what I was trying to say that Florida should do here. If they were to make a move with Bouwmeester it's going to have to be one where they get fair value. None of this Luongo or Jokinen nonsense. This would be the most important trade in the history of the franchise and anything less than the value that Edmonton got for Pronger should be considered a failure. Not because Bouwmeester and Pronger are "equal" in value but because of the potential involved for Jay to become a franchise defenseman and Norris candidate.

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