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07-05-2008, 10:53 PM
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He will get production. 25-30 goals and 50-60 points provided he stays healthy. Plays the point on the PP.

Ideally he is not the type of guy one would want in the playoffs, but for a team that is looking to make the playoffs his offensive contributions can go a long way in helping to achieve that goal.
25-30 goals? Is Shero looking to add Willy to Crosbys wing? Is there a position availlable to be centered by Big Joe that I dont know about?

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25-30 goals? Is Shero looking to add Willy to Crosbys wing? Is there a position availlable to be centered by Big Joe that I dont know about?
21 goals in 05/06
15 goals in 06/07
13 goals in 43 games last season

I suppose 30 goals is pushing it but 25 goals and 50 points is not out of the question with his track record since the lockout.

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what the chance of him joining the flames

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i'd ask how he'd fare on Kopitar's wing opposite Brown, but we already have the other underachiever from that trade.

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wasnt he 3rd in votings for the J Selke Trophy?

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wasnt he 3rd in votings for the J Selke Trophy?
You gotta be thinking of another J Williams

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wasnt he 3rd in votings for the J Selke Trophy?
that one re-signed in carolina i believe.

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Hes small, not physical, not defensively responsible, is inconsistent, and thinks very highly of himself. He also cant carry his own line. He needs strong offensive talents around him to carry him, as he did in Detroit.

If you're looking for a purely offensive player who is mostly a PP point/shootout specialist, hes your guy. But don't sign him with the expectation that he'll give you a dynamic performance night in and out. He had one good year in Detroit where he was favored and given more ice time than he deserved due to his long-standing relationship with Babs, and his numbers in Chicago are more reflective of playing in an offense-first system.
Obviously he was on your hate-list in Detroit.

The guy has amazing hands, decent passing game, when he is on he is as deadly as many top 6 players in the league. He has the potential to become a amazing player if a coach can get him to realize his talents and tap into them. Even at this age, he is still very raw. One of those players that "dangles a lot of talent, but never uses it all the way" type of thing.

He is a very solid 50-60 point producer who can help anyone on the PP and, as said, with the right coach he could do damage. (in all honsty, he would be a perfect Hitchcock project.)

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07-06-2008, 12:30 AM
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To Leafs, $3.5m/yr!!!

No seriously. I've been predicting it for awhile now.

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I lost count of how many Wings fans told me that when he got traded to the Hawks.
To be fair, they all said the same thing about Lang too. Lang is no stalwart defensively, but we were promised an unmotivated lazy sack of crap. Williams is a decent second liner who can shoot from the point. He's also good in the shootout. He also is a turnover machine, especially while playing the point and isn't somebody who you'd want out during a PK.

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Canucks already have that type of guy, Kyle Wellwood.
So who's the second line center?

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He'd be a perfect fit for the Panthers.
1. His speed & skill will help the Cats' pp unit.
2. He'd be a decent stopgap for the timebeing, considering the Panthers probably won't make the playoffs next season.
3. If he is a stopgap for that year, he can prove to be more valuable in the league if he produces well, not to mention, rounds out his game, defensively. it can be a win win for both teams.
4. The Cats' have the money to spend as well.
5. The Panthers only have 1 legit centreman in Stephen Weiss and with Jokinen gone, they would definately need another top6 centreman who is Williams plus they could go with a 1a/1b centreman rotation format by playing Weiss and Williams in the top lines night in and night out.

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4M per?? HAHA. I was pissed when Detroit gave him 1.6. And that was after a 20+ nearly 60 point campaign.
why wouldnt you be mad when they underpay Datsyuk and will low ball Zetterberg too because "no one can be paid higher than Lidstrom" by their moronic philosophy of keeping their pecking order in line... but really its just about scamming elite talent from market value. Datsyuk and Zetts should be making Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin money. no less.

total team thats living in 2005 when 2009 is right around the corner.

and here we thought kevin lowe was raising the prices of players this whole time

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07-06-2008, 01:18 PM
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I heard he wants 3 million now, but that was just from another poster



LOL, someone tell him he's the bad J. Williams
That's Jeremy Williams.

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07-06-2008, 03:17 PM
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Obviously he was on your hate-list in Detroit.

The guy has amazing hands, decent passing game, when he is on he is as deadly as many top 6 players in the league. He has the potential to become a amazing player if a coach can get him to realize his talents and tap into them. Even at this age, he is still very raw. One of those players that "dangles a lot of talent, but never uses it all the way" type of thing.

He is a very solid 50-60 point producer who can help anyone on the PP and, as said, with the right coach he could do damage. (in all honsty, he would be a perfect Hitchcock project.)
Agree wholeheartedly. With the following ups and downs.

He is weak defensively at the point. more than his fair share of wraparounds get by him, which is ok. What isn't ok is he can't play defense like a Dman. He's back there ... but he isn't back there. This is compounded because other teams PK units target his side for a bang-out. This, however, is risk you take with most forwards not named Fedorov playing the point. I'm sure others can come up with more exceptions, but you get the idea.

He is willing to be physical and dish a hit. Trouble is it is usually of the 'see I can hit coach' variety. However he's willing.

Underrated defensively. He played checking line in the 2 seasons before his big year. Some Wings fans are VERY down on him for a couple of very visible and costly Defensive mistakes in the Edmonton series in 2006. Otherwise he is there. Therefore he is defensively responsible. I will say this: He doesn't seem to multitask well. When he's doing well offensively is when he isn't doing so well defensively.

He can skate well, passes decently well, and has a very good shot (both wrist and slap).

His last year with the Wings he started out on the top line, but this occurred during Datsyuk's 'I'll do everything phase' and he was seldom the recipient of a Datsyukian pass even when he was open. he then ran into injury problems: The Torres concussion, a knee problem, and a groin problem where he was rescued by the all star break (could be the Holidays -- forget)but still had to play through afterwards. As the injuries mounted his effectiveness declined and he was repetitively demoted.

In the corners - he's willing to go there, but he isn't notably effective.

Bottom line: He isn't worth $3.0M (I suffer from Ken Holland stinginess when appraising player's dollar values).

Would I take back the Calder for Williams trade? In a heartbeat.

Who do I prefer him too? Nagy, Afinogenov and any scorer who won't contribute in his own end.

Who will he help? A team that needs scoring help and wants him to concentrate on his offensive chores. Don't ask him to go deep offensively and then ask him to be 3rd man back defensively.

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Agree wholeheartedly. With the following ups and downs.

He is weak defensively at the point. more than his fair share of wraparounds get by him, which is ok. What isn't ok is he can't play defense like a Dman. He's back there ... but he isn't back there. This is compounded because other teams PK units target his side for a bang-out. This, however, is risk you take with most forwards not named Fedorov playing the point. I'm sure others can come up with more exceptions, but you get the idea.

He is willing to be physical and dish a hit. Trouble is it is usually of the 'see I can hit coach' variety. However he's willing.

Underrated defensively. He played checking line in the 2 seasons before his big year. Some Wings fans are VERY down on him for a couple of very visible and costly Defensive mistakes in the Edmonton series in 2006. Otherwise he is there. Therefore he is defensively responsible. I will say this: He doesn't seem to multitask well. When he's doing well offensively is when he isn't doing so well defensively.

He can skate well, passes decently well, and has a very good shot (both wrist and slap).

His last year with the Wings he started out on the top line, but this occurred during Datsyuk's 'I'll do everything phase' and he was seldom the recipient of a Datsyukian pass even when he was open. he then ran into injury problems: The Torres concussion, a knee problem, and a groin problem where he was rescued by the all star break (could be the Holidays -- forget)but still had to play through afterwards. As the injuries mounted his effectiveness declined and he was repetitively demoted.

In the corners - he's willing to go there, but he isn't notably effective.

Bottom line: He isn't worth $3.0M (I suffer from Ken Holland stinginess when appraising player's dollar values).

Would I take back the Calder for Williams trade? In a heartbeat.

Who do I prefer him too? Nagy, Afinogenov and any scorer who won't contribute in his own end.

Who will he help? A team that needs scoring help and wants him to concentrate on his offensive chores. Don't ask him to go deep offensively and then ask him to be 3rd man back defensively.
He isnt the best guy at the point ill say that, but with the offense he brings to it, its about a 50/50 thing. He has times where he does damage and can get 2-3 pts from the point on the PP. Then he might have a bad gamea nd give up a few odd man chances. It happens though. He's got a hell of a slap shot and pretty good vision from the point too. Again, the if he can find the right coach to buy into his game, and the coach can teach him to be more responsible on defense; he could become deadly. He IMHO is going to be one of those late blooming forward who might not see career years until early 30's.

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Obviously he was on your hate-list in Detroit.

The guy has amazing hands, decent passing game, when he is on he is as deadly as many top 6 players in the league. He has the potential to become a amazing player if a coach can get him to realize his talents and tap into them. Even at this age, he is still very raw. One of those players that "dangles a lot of talent, but never uses it all the way" type of thing.

He is a very solid 50-60 point producer who can help anyone on the PP and, as said, with the right coach he could do damage. (in all honsty, he would be a perfect Hitchcock project.)
Obviously he was on your "rose-colored glasses" list. He was traded for Kyle freaking Calder on a team where he was a coaches favorite.

He had nearly 4 minutes of PP time in Detroit in the best season of his career. His PP time the following year dropped to under 3 minutes and he couldn't even break 40 points in 78 games. And of course he posted decent numbers in Chicago. They're a run and gun offensive team, the Sabres of the West.

Hes terrible defensively, cant be used on the PK, and gives the puck away like its nobodys business, and doesnt backcheck.

And you are entirely overrating his "dangling" abilities. The guy has a lot of moves that he can pull off in practice and in the shootout, but will result in turnovers like crazy, and doesn't have the defensive ability to make up for it in the take-away department.

Whoever signs Williams better have some energetic and defensively responsible options to set him up with. And he should be signed under the expectation that he is there to put up points and not account for much else.

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21 goals in 05/06
15 goals in 06/07
13 goals in 43 games last season

I suppose 30 goals is pushing it but 25 goals and 50 points is not out of the question with his track record since the lockout.
He wasn't even on pace for 25 goals in Chicago's offense-first system. There are a handful of teams in this league he could possibly hit 25 goals with. Otherwise, you can expect from him about 18-22 goals, but with considerably more assists.

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why wouldnt you be mad when they underpay Datsyuk and will low ball Zetterberg too because "no one can be paid higher than Lidstrom" by their moronic philosophy of keeping their pecking order in line... but really its just about scamming elite talent from market value. Datsyuk and Zetts should be making Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin money. no less.

total team thats living in 2005 when 2009 is right around the corner.

and here we thought kevin lowe was raising the prices of players this whole time
Wow. Talk about sour grapes. Theres this thing called winning. And when you do it a lot, you don't have to compensate for your teams crappy record with money...

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He wasn't even on pace for 25 goals in Chicago's offense-first system. There are a handful of teams in this league he could possibly hit 25 goals with. Otherwise, you can expect from him about 18-22 goals, but with considerably more assists.
13 goals in 43 games isn't on pace for 25 goals in 82 games? I'm pretty sure thats exactly on pace for 25 goals.

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13 goals in 43 games isn't on pace for 25 goals in 82 games? I'm pretty sure thats exactly on pace for 25 goals.
Wrong. That's exactly 24.791 goals per game.

What I was really wondering about is how does being paired with Robert Lang qualify as 'Run-and-Gun'?

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JW put up 20 points in 20 games (and a few clutch goals) before he went down with the extended groin-sports hernia-thing injury last year. When he returned, he wasn't half as effective as he was for those 20 games.

The year before it was the same thing before and after the Torres concussion.

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Wrong. That's exactly 24.791 goals per game.

What I was really wondering about is how does being paired with Robert Lang qualify as 'Run-and-Gun'?
So who's to say he doesn't go on a spree and scores that extra .3 goal to make it 25? lol...seriously, that was just pathetic...24.791...really? really? That's your argument for why he's not a 25 goal scorer, that he'd only score 24.8 goals had he played 82 games?


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The Oil have offered him a contract, I dont know which other teams have though.

I hope the Oil can sign him for 2.5-3 Million, then roll with:

Cole-Horcoff-Hemsky
Nilsson-Gagner-Williams
Penner-Cogliano-Brule
Moreau-Brodziak-Pisani

Vis-Gilbert
Souray-Grebs
Smid-Staios

Garon
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The Oil have offered him a contract, I dont know which other teams have though.
Well, we don't know if they've made an offer or not (It was on a blog). It would make a little sense though.

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