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06-07-2004, 11:44 AM
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[QUOTE=Boondock Saint]Barker is a lot more like a Gonchar or a Leetch than a Brewer. A quick look at their stats show that Barker is a MUCH more capable offensive player than Brewer is.

Stats from their draft years:

Brewer

71GP 5G 24A 29PTS 81PIM .41PPG

Barker

69GP 21G 44A 65PTS 105PIM .94PPG


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It is absolutely ridiculous to compare NHL stats with WHL stats. To infer that Barker is a better offensive player then Brewer because Barker had good stats in the WHL is absolutely ********. The NHL is a league of men, whereas the WHL is a league of boys. Most of the players in the WHL will NEVER make it to the NHL. You are totally misinterpreting the statistics. What Barker has is good potential and a good season on a Major Junior team. This does not make him better then Eric Brewer, offensively or otherwise.

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06-07-2004, 12:03 PM
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It is absolutely ridiculous to compare NHL stats with WHL stats. To infer that Barker is a better offensive player then Brewer because Barker had good stats in the WHL is absolutely ********. The NHL is a league of men, whereas the WHL is a league of boys. Most of the players in the WHL will NEVER make it to the NHL. You are totally misinterpreting the statistics. What Barker has is good potential and a good season on a Major Junior team. This does not make him better then Eric Brewer, offensively or otherwise.
Nic, he is comparing their draft years, not what they did this past season.

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06-07-2004, 12:05 PM
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Nic, before you call somebody ********, you may want to make sure of your facts. I think Boondock showed the stats that brewer and barker had in their last year prior to getitng drafted when they both were playing junior hockey. Other than that, great post. :lol

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06-07-2004, 12:18 PM
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The Oilers overpay a little on this one, but I think I'd do it if we exchanged our pick with Philly's.
With the 3rd overall, we can pick up one of Olesz, Malkin, Schremp, or Barker. Sure it hurts trading Semenov away, but we can always select Barker to replace him. God knows his upside is probably better anyways.

As for Isbister...well, I wouldn't mind getting rid of him, but why is everyone treating him like dead weight?

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06-07-2004, 04:31 PM
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Nic, before you call somebody ********, you may want to make sure of your facts. I think Boondock showed the stats that brewer and barker had in their last year prior to getitng drafted when they both were playing junior hockey. Other than that, great post. :lol
I think you are right about the source of Brewers statistics, but Boondock Saint wrote "A quick look at their stats show that Barker is a MUCH more capable offensive player than Brewer is.", which is clearly not true.

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06-07-2004, 04:37 PM
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I think you are right about the source of Brewers statistics, but Boondock Saint wrote "A quick look at their stats show that Barker is a MUCH more capable offensive player than Brewer is.", which is clearly not true.
Nic... the year Brewer was drafted he put up 29 points in the WHL.

Barker put up double that this season.

That leads any rational player to suggest that Barker is a more capable offensive player than Brewer was, comparing their draft years.

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06-07-2004, 04:44 PM
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Revolving defense??? Why not just keep Woywitka (who's 2 years closer to the NHL than Barker) and keep the 14th overall pick and let Isbister go to free agency. Defense is not this teams long term weakness. Game breaking forward(s) are what we need. No way we make this kind of deal, I'd resign my Oilers fan membership.
How do we know defence won't be a weakness? It looks good now, but if half of them don't pan out, it doesn't look near as rosy.

Anyway, why let Isbister walk? It doesn't make any sense. Trade him for whatever you can get before you let him go for nothing. Letting him walk should not be an option.

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06-07-2004, 05:35 PM
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How do we know defence won't be a weakness? It looks good now, but if half of them don't pan out, it doesn't look near as rosy.

Anyway, why let Isbister walk? It doesn't make any sense. Trade him for whatever you can get before you let him go for nothing. Letting him walk should not be an option.
I have to disagree. Dumping him becomes the ONLY option if noone is willing to take him at the draft or any time before July 1st. In my view qualifying this guy at 1.95M US is not an option. If he's not qualified he becomes a UFA.

AND if I'm an opposing GM looking at Isbister I'd rather wait until his inevitable UFA status this summer and sign him rather than give anything up to get him and be put in the same situation as the Oilers, forced to qualify him at nearly 2M bucks which is clearly too much money for him.

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06-07-2004, 06:02 PM
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I have to disagree. Dumping him becomes the ONLY option if noone is willing to take him at the draft or any time before July 1st. In my view qualifying this guy at 1.95M US is not an option. If he's not qualified he becomes a UFA.

AND if I'm an opposing GM looking at Isbister I'd rather wait until his inevitable UFA status this summer and sign him rather than give anything up to get him and be put in the same situation as the Oilers, forced to qualify him at nearly 2M bucks which is clearly too much money for him.
I can pretty much guarantee a team would pick Isbister up. Believe it or not, he still has trade value, and Lowe would get at least a 3rd for him, although I think it'd be a 2nd.

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06-07-2004, 08:04 PM
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It is absolutely ridiculous to compare NHL stats with WHL stats. To infer that Barker is a better offensive player then Brewer because Barker had good stats in the WHL is absolutely ********. The NHL is a league of men, whereas the WHL is a league of boys. Most of the players in the WHL will NEVER make it to the NHL. You are totally misinterpreting the statistics. What Barker has is good potential and a good season on a Major Junior team. This does not make him better then Eric Brewer, offensively or otherwise.

I think you are right about the source of Brewers statistics, but Boondock Saint wrote "A quick look at their stats show that Barker is a MUCH more capable offensive player than Brewer is.", which is clearly not true.
Easy there guy....

If you would have read more closely, I clearly wrote above the stats:

Stats from their draft years:

Both sets of stats are from both players seasons in the WHL as 17 year olds.

Reading a little closer would alleviate such future problems....

Your argument is so unfounded I don't feel the need to defend myself further.

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06-07-2004, 08:52 PM
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I can pretty much guarantee a team would pick Isbister up. Believe it or not, he still has trade value, and Lowe would get at least a 3rd for him, although I think it'd be a 2nd.
I agree, and Miz might be right about him having more value than we think. But if you can't get a 9th rounder for him, you're doing something wrong.

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06-07-2004, 10:18 PM
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Revolving defense??? Why not just keep Woywitka (who's 2 years closer to the NHL than Barker) and keep the 14th overall pick and let Isbister go to free agency. Defense is not this teams long term weakness. Game breaking forward(s) are what we need. No way we make this kind of deal, I'd resign my Oilers fan membership.
All I'm suggesting is that if we got the third I would be looking at Barker rather Olesz or Tukonen. IMO Barker is the BPA at third, and why not take him, guys like him don't come around often. Nothing against Woywitka, he's a heck of a propect but when you sorta see him, Lynch and Greene, all showing promising signs and all seemingly ready for the NHL at the same time, it would be good to have a quality d prospect in the system as these players start to make the team, it would eleviate the log jam of d players making the team.

I agree that Edmonton needs a big time goal scorer as well, but from the sounds of this draft the two sure fire snipers (Ovechkin and Malkin) will be gone by the third pick. As talented as a Olesz or Tukonen maybe, they IMO would not warrant me to take a chance on passing up on Barker. I think if we can still retain our philly pick a guy like Kaspar, Sindel, or Lisin would be availible. Now they aren't top ten picks but from what I hear they are the boom or bust players that we could go after once we have a pretty solid pick in Barker.

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06-08-2004, 12:41 AM
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I can pretty much guarantee a team would pick Isbister up. Believe it or not, he still has trade value, and Lowe would get at least a 3rd for him, although I think it'd be a 2nd.
It's a sad statement when GMs are willing to pick up a $2M dollar 4th liner. This is even more absurd considering the CBA expires and there will be no hockey next season.

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